Ford's 60K Powertrain Is Going To Cost You !

[Letter_K]

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I will never again buy a first year production vehicle. I knew better at the time but thought that the kinks were worked out since the model had been sold in Europe for several years.


Yep, I thought the same thing. Mine was a 2000 Focus SE too. Didn't think about the fact that they were building them in Mexico at the Escort plant and needed to work the kinks out of that.

I once picked it up at the dealer from a repair to discover the battery light on and find the alternator failed.

The alternator failed twice (a third time later), the parking brake lever release broke, the front springs cracked (recall), which broke the stabilizer links attached to the strut towers (which Ford refused to cover), the fuel pump, the water on the floor boards from the AC which caused the glovebox to rust and who knows what to rust and left the car musty, the Ford Logo fell off, the rear hubs replaced (recall), water leaked in the trunk and about 5 more recalls for wiring, safety related issues. And we can't forget that the front dashboard started the same color as the rest of the interior, but managed to darken about two shades.

I decided not to buy another Ford ever again.

I had the car at the dealer for at least 5 days before the warranty ran out. My honda had one loose hose clamp.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: miraCRD
Originally Posted By: MrCritical
...Bro. in' law's F150 tranny failed at 3000 miles out of powertrain/less than 3 years old. Ford would not kick in one dime.


Originally Posted By: miraCRD
...Transmission went at 27K when the truck was 18 months old...


Originally Posted By: 1999nick
...It still failed at 62,000 miles and Ford would not help me any.

...The 86 Ranger transmission went out at 49,000 miles, by the way.


Gee...nice pattern here, huh? And Honda gets all the grief about lousy transmissions? Not that it isn't also deserved though.

Why have we taken only rearward steps from the "high point" in bulletproof trannys like the Chrysler 727 and the GM TH350?



Whoooo, three people in a thread on the Internet... A thread about transmissions... And one that mentions Ford. Yeah, that's a game sealer right there.

Tell ya what, how about you make a thread about failing Honda transmissions and see how many people post in it?

 

[Cause4Alarm]

my point was sooo missed, so i'l spell it out in terms simpler people can understand......while the u.s. gov still owns some of gm, the gov does not have a controlling steak in gm......the government can not tell gm what to do or how to do it anymore since more since the ipo happened

 

[Jim_Beverlin]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Jim_Beverlin
... on a run between Ironwood,MI and St Ignace, MI...


Did you stop at Clydes and get a burger? The Big C is the best!


Can't say that I did. We do love it up in the UP. I will retire in about 4 years and while most retirees head south, I am considering heading north.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Cause4Alarm
my point was sooo missed, so i'l spell it out in terms simpler people can understand......while the u.s. gov still owns some of gm, the gov does not have a controlling steak in gm......the government can not tell gm what to do or how to do it anymore since more since the ipo happened


If you are going to belittle people, you should at least use proper grammar and sentence structure.

When my steak gets wild and out of control, I usually control it with a fork and sharp blade.

The "shat" controlling his steak:

 

[Cause4Alarm]

i pick it up with my hands and rip chunks off.....if i was an english major i wouldn't be an auto technician

 

[Cause4Alarm]

after reading it again i seem to have a had a computer issue lol

 

[JTK]

I never realized it was a GM/Ford joint venture deal given it's got the typical GM Hydra-Matic name. It's been in vehicles since 2007 so there's a boat load of them on the roads.

Joel

 

[rpn453]

Originally Posted By: Kuato
Another argument for manual transmissions!


Not really. A poorly designed manual transmission can also have a high failure rate.

 

[RegDunlop]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: RegDunlop

I didn't know GM and Ford ever worked on anything together. Maybe they should have consulted Honda for transmission advice.


LOL like the trannys they were using in the V6 Accords and Odyssey mini vans? I think a part of the problem is the service intervals on these transmissions. What is the fluid change recommendation, is it filled for life? Or 120,000 miles like my Jeep? LOL another joke if you ask me.


exactly....think you possibly missed the sarcasm


and anybody who EVER had a Honda transmission fail is because they were trying reline or amsoil or some other [censored] ATF fluid instead of Honda OEM ATF

 

[Spazdog]

The newest Fusions coming in do have an odd thing about them.

When you rev the engine a little in Park, the car tries to move forward a little. It doesn't move off the parking pawl but it doesn't feel like it's actually in Park.

 

[RegDunlop]

Originally Posted By: Cause4Alarm
'With the government backing GM can afford the 100K powertrain warranty.'

looks like someone missed the IPO......GM hasn't had govmt backing for like two months


I guess you saw that 30 second commercial last April where CEO Ed Whitaker claimed GM had repaid all of the money it owed the taxpayers , 5 years early....complete lie, a commercial funded by taxpayers to lie to them about a loan that was not repaid.


The end to justify all of these means....the Chevy Volt...good luck with that.


They repaid it with a second TARP loan, anywhere else this is called MONEY LAUNDERING, but when the US Government does it, I don't even know what it's called.

 

[MrCritical]

Way to hijack the thread.

 

[Herz]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Another argument for manual transmissions!


+1

Of course people are too lasy/dumb/incapable to use them, and as we dumb down society, it only gets worse.



agreed

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: RegDunlop
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: RegDunlop

I didn't know GM and Ford ever worked on anything together. Maybe they should have consulted Honda for transmission advice.


LOL like the trannys they were using in the V6 Accords and Odyssey mini vans? I think a part of the problem is the service intervals on these transmissions. What is the fluid change recommendation, is it filled for life? Or 120,000 miles like my Jeep? LOL another joke if you ask me.


exactly....think you possibly missed the sarcasm


and anybody who EVER had a Honda transmission fail is because they were trying reline or amsoil or some other [censored] ATF fluid instead of Honda OEM ATF


I guess I did. Having the pleasure of selling Hondas for actually two different Honda stores I sometimes chuckle when I read how GREAT they are. [Don't get me wrong they are good cars, but far from perfect, as many of their owners believe.] I saw many V6 Accords and Odysseys come in with transmission, as well as other issues. When I see the price people ask for high mile Hondas and then say when questioned , "but its a Honda", I laugh even harder. I think we're both on the same page!

As a side note I'd prep the customers for extended warranties telling them that replacing a tranny in an Odyssey could cost them a small fortune.

Back OT, it hurts me to see Ford doing anything with GM. JMO

 

[unDummy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM-Ford_6-speed_automatic_transmission

Ford isn't waiting for a failure by issuing TSBs, recalls,.... to address the 6F35's quirks and failures...

With the Ford, it'll be fixed before its out of warranty.
With the GM, you better hope it fails while under warranty.

 

[kb01]

Originally Posted By: Letter_K


Yep, I thought the same thing. Mine was a 2000 Focus SE too. Didn't think about the fact that they were building them in Mexico at the Escort plant and needed to work the kinks out of that.


It sounds like we had very similar experiences.

I was actually in denial about how bad of a car it was for a very long time. The thing is, I loved pretty much everything about the design of the car. It just had too many issues.

If I recall, the SE and ZTS were built in the Wayne plant and the 3 and 5 doors down in Mexico.

I owned the car for 7 years and put up with many nuisances because it was still cheaper than buying another car. Besides all of the recalls (which I'm sure you experienced), I went through two driver airbags, battery failed under warranty, had several issues with the power windows, constantly dealing with failed repairs from water leaking into the passenger footwell via the cowl (eventually causing rust), several blower resistors, numerous issues with the AC, replaced the heater core, and I'm sure there are more that I'm not thinking of.

I ended up selling it with around 100,000 miles primarily because there were some looming expensive maintenance items, the AC didn't work, and it had throttle issues that neither the dealer or my mechanic could resolve (it would accelerate for no reason). I think it all came down to my views on safety changing dramatically after my first child was born

 

[Letter_K]

Originally Posted By: kb01
Originally Posted By: Letter_K


Yep, I thought the same thing. Mine was a 2000 Focus SE too. Didn't think about the fact that they were building them in Mexico at the Escort plant and needed to work the kinks out of that.


It sounds like we had very similar experiences.

I was actually in denial about how bad of a car it was for a very long time. The thing is, I loved pretty much everything about the design of the car. It just had too many issues.

If I recall, the SE and ZTS were built in the Wayne plant and the 3 and 5 doors down in Mexico.

I owned the car for 7 years and put up with many nuisances because it was still cheaper than buying another car. Besides all of the recalls (which I'm sure you experienced), I went through two driver airbags, battery failed under warranty, had several issues with the power windows, constantly dealing with failed repairs from water leaking into the passenger footwell via the cowl (eventually causing rust), several blower resistors, numerous issues with the AC, replaced the heater core, and I'm sure there are more that I'm not thinking of.

I ended up selling it with around 100,000 miles primarily because there were some looming expensive maintenance items, the AC didn't work, and it had throttle issues that neither the dealer or my mechanic could resolve (it would accelerate for no reason). I think it all came down to my views on safety changing dramatically after my first child was born


Since this thread is dead - I'll reply.

Yep, forgot the failed power lock that had to be disable and sure I forgot more. If it worked and when it did, it was a nice car. Yes, the water on the floorboards was a pain, but the funny thing in 8 1/2 years never had to service the AC with Freon.

My Focus met with a distracted driver making a left turn. Insurance paid me far more than I probably would have ever felt right taking for it. Besides at the time I needed a bigger vehicle because child #2 had just come in the last year.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: meangreen01
As a Ford guy I object to them collaborating with GM on anything. Or Chrysler for that matter.


+1 Which appears to be a mistake in this instance.


based on what? some guys post on the internet that he saw a bunch of GM's in for repair?

Do you have any data at all to suggest the Ford 6F is prone to any major problems? I know some from the first year had some software issues and needed re-flashed, but besides that I've read very few negative reports on it.

Yet another internet legend in the making...

 

[CBR.worm]

Probably just the principal of ford and GM working together. Like someone who puts a small block chevy in a mustang, it's just not right.