Ford 5.4 Triton , ohc burns up

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i have a 2005 ford f-150 4 x 4, recently in the past i had a
ohc burn up due to lack of oil, the filter that was on the truck and installed by shell lube was a performance max filter part #p0-173, i replaced the head since and also used a new filter from a automotive supply house were i bought the head,
had no problem, unbeknownst to me i took my truck back to the lube place i always used in the past and lost the new head again. the only thing i can think of is the filter is the problem or the oil, this truck is supposed to use 5w-20, anyone have this problem
 
Dude, you can only use a MotorCraft FL-820-S filter with the Ford 5.4 3v motor! Save yourself & your wallet some pain & get some ASAP & your troubles will be over!!!
 
Why would only the left head show signs of stress/fatigue/failure? If the filter was a problem, it would be a problem for the whole engine.
 
5.4 3v Modular Motors are very sensitive to oil filters! Hence Ford only says to use their FL-820-S filter with the Silicon Anti drain back valve that is differenlty engineered from anybody else's filter!!!
 
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
5.4 3v Modular Motors are very sensitive to oil filters! Hence Ford only says to use their FL-820-S filter with the Silicon Anti drain back valve that is differenlty engineered from anybody else's filter!!!


The MC FL-820S filter is a very good filter, exceptional for the price. But like MC 5W-20, it's not the only thing out there that will do the job.
 
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
5.4 3v Modular Motors are very sensitive to oil filters! Hence Ford only says to use their FL-820-S filter with the Silicon Anti drain back valve that is differenlty engineered from anybody else's filter!!!


Well, I don't agree. The silicon ADBV is to stop whining customers from seeking warranty work for something that isn't broken when they hear horrendous start up rattle. You'll note that there is Ford prohibition on using any other manufacturer's filter the also "meets or exceeds" OEM spec's.

That said or not, I can't see any reason why the left head would be the only thing to bear the brunt of the insult to the point of needing replacement from a defect with a centralized oiling point.
 
I have a 2007 5.4 3v & have only used MotorCraft FL-820-S Filters & 5W-20 oil since I took her home brand new! After 44K miles, no startup rattle, no VTC tick, no can phaser noise! Just smooth & quiet! Case closed!!! People who have problems do not use the right viscosity oil or the MotorCraft 820-S Filter!!!!
 
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I have a 2007 5.4 3v & have only used MotorCraft FL-820-S Filters & 5W-20 oil since I took her home brand new! After 44K miles, no startup rattle, no VTC tick, no can phaser noise! Just smooth & quiet!


Oh, no argument there ..you're assured to not be one of the whining customers with start up rattle.

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Case closed!!! People who have problems do not use the right viscosity oil or the MotorCraft 820-S Filter!!!!


..and you're extending this to DAMAGE? Sorry. There's a whole aftermarket that doesn't believe this to be true. If there was such a risk, as I said, there would be some prohibition on any filter other than the OEM. Since no such prohibition exists, it's not a matter of merit in regard to engine life.

..but you're doing what is sensible to avoid the annoyance.
 
I agree with Gary.

If the oil filter were the problem, then any part of the engine would be just as susceptible. The filter does not control WHERE oil goes, but engine design does. Perhaps there is an internal issue which is affecting oil flow in this particular engine, and the filter is getting blamed unfairly?

Further, any filter brand that is made to the specs of OEM should suffice more than well enough.

Also, this is simply an oddity! Not many modular engines fail in this way. In fact, not many mod engines fail at all ...

And finally, if the filter were so darn restrictive (which I completely do not believe), would not the filter bypass open and save the day? Or should I believe that the filter element is too restrictive, but the filter bypass is too strong, and so the pump bypass is in constant relief? This is simply absurd.

Someone is blaming a filter, and they have no conceptual understanding of the interaction of the lube system!

Before I put any more money into some shop that can't solve a problem TWICE, I'd do a bit of analysis myself, or find a different shop.
 
Sounds like an oil flow restriction in the block or a manufactering defect in the engine itself. There is nothing special about the Motorcraft filter. Baldwin,Wix,Donaldson, all make better quality filters.
 
Originally Posted By: RISUPERCREWMAN
I have a 2007 5.4 3v & have only used MotorCraft FL-820-S Filters & 5W-20 oil since I took her home brand new! After 44K miles, no startup rattle, no VTC tick, no can phaser noise! Just smooth & quiet! Case closed!!!


There are many people using different viscosity oils and different oil filters that can claim the same.
 
Originally Posted By: Mokanic
There is nothing special about the Motorcraft filter.


The ADBV and bypass valve in the FL-820S are a cut above Baldwin, Wix, and Donaldson.

The Motorcraft filter doesn't even use a Purolator ADBV, the last several MC filters I've bought have FoMoCo molded right into the ADBV.
 
A vexing problem but there is not enough history nor detail on the exact problems with the heads to make any kind of diagnosis... even the usual BITOG "Carnac" type. Could be anything from sludge to defective parts, assuming it's was even diagnosed and repaired correctly (no insult to the OP).Was it a new or a used head? Was the correct head gasket used and the oil holes ensured to be lined up as well as clear? I can't think of any way the oil filter could have caused it, nor the oil... assuming decent maintenance.

The big difference between the FL820s and the replacements for the application is the location of the bypass. That's not of any significance in and of itself in this scenario. If that's an incorrect statement, then someone please explain in detail where it's incorrect.
 
I'm sure that The heads get their oil from the same galley after the filter. I'd look into a problem with the hole that feeds that head and not a filter issue.

The Motorcraft filter is a great filter but running a different filter wont burn up one head. If there was a problem with the filter it would ruin both heads and the crank.
 
Then Ford needs to give filters away to customers and jobber shops for free, since the only thing that the motor can use is the FL-820S.

There is nothing special about the MC filter.
 
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