For those that advocate 10K miles OCI

[Shel_B]

Somewhere just beyond the 2 minute mark or so. As I wrote he more than implies it.

I'd seen the video before and didn't recall AMD saying that. I went back and looked again, at the point where you said to look. He did not say what you claim he said, "every Toyota running a 10K interval will be sludged and dead at 150K."

You have used hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point. You have put your interpretation on his words.

 

[Gene K]

Why didn't he cover the 800,000 mi Honda V6 with 10,000 - 15,000 mi oil changes. Guess it didn't support his narrative

 

[Shel_B]

You can find a situation that supports almost any position. BFD. It always seems to come down to what an individual believes will work well for them.

I've not seen (at least I cannot recall) anyone being swayed from their position regarding OCIs by any arguments contrary to their position and belief made in any of these threads.

Has anyone changed their position on OCIs for their situation by what they've read here?

 

[Imp4]

Why didn't he cover the 800,000 mi Honda V6 with 10,000 - 15,000 mi oil changes. Guess it didn't support his narrative

He's a Toyota tech talking about Toyota cars.
Maybe he didn't talk about an 800,000 mi Honda V6 because it's completely irrelevant to a Toyota discussion.

How's that for a narrative?!?

 

[tolian21]

Has anyone changed their position on OCIs for their situation by what they've read here?

I did, years ago I was a firm believer is 10-15k OCI.

 

[DuckRyder]

I'd seen the video before and didn't recall AMD saying that. I went back and looked again, at the point where you said to look. He did not say what you claim he said, "every Toyota running a 10K interval will be sludged and dead at 150K."

You have used hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point. You have put your interpretation on his words.

Pablo is right, he is full of it between 1:50 and 3:30 or so which is as far as I made it. He said "at 150,000 it will be clogging up and seizing up" or something very much along those lines and said this will happen even if you do UOAs ...

Has anyone changed their position on OCIs for their situation by what they've read here?

I used to be pretty steadfast yearly and 5000 mile changes even with very good oil, since i ve been here ive extended them.

Prior to being here i would have fainted at running a new car 9500 miles on factory fill, but you know what, it was perfectly fine...

 

[Pablo]

I'd seen the video before and didn't recall AMD saying that. I went back and looked again, at the point where you said to look. He did not say what you claim he said, "every Toyota running a 10K interval will be sludged and dead at 150K."

You have used hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point. You have put your interpretation on his words.

I did NOT quote his exact words.

But what does he say?

He says basically says if you run 10K your engine will have issues at 150K.

Are you saying he didn't say this at all? Or are you hanging your hat on the fact that a minute or two before that he says practically no one qualifies for a 10K interval?

 

[NuttCase]

I did NOT quote his exact words.

But what does he say?

He says basically says if you run 10K your engine will have issues at 150K.

Are you saying he didn't say this at all? Or are you hanging your hat on the fact that a minute or two before that he says practically no one qualifies for a 10K interval?

I agree with your interpretation. He says that unless you are driving 300,400,500 miles a day, you do not quality for a 10k OCI. My personal experience is contrary to this - no issues running 10-12k OCI on a 2009 Toyota with short 5 to 20 mile runs. Admittedly it was a diesel engine, probably not sold in North America.

 

[Schandyman]

Different strokes for different folks. My past Toyotas over the last 10 years were 10k oci now my new rav has a sticker for 6 months or 5k whichever comes first.

 

[doublebase]

I’m torn on this whole debate, I’ve only run 5,000 mile oil changes for the last 10 years on synthetic, and prior to that it was 3,000 miles on conventional. I did deviate from that slightly for a short time, and went running 7,500-8,000 mile intervals for a year or so on my Lexus LS460. And then I experienced oil consumption. Everything was going just great until I decided to try THAT, BUT this also coincided with a higher mileage point. No oil usage before 100,000 miles. Then it increased a little bit at 115,000, more at 125,000, until finally it was drinking a quart every 1,000 miles at around the 150,000 mile mark. Did “extended“ drains do THAT? I don’t know, I’m not sure. Maybe it would have happened regardless? I will say that I drove a car to 289,000 miles doing only 3,000 mile intervals with conventional 5w30 and at 289,000 miles that thing started drinking oil too (1 quart every 1,000 miles). No extended drains, ever. Still the motor was guzzling oil and stalling at 289,000 miles. My shorter intervals didn’t prevent that, and then half the car was rotted out anyway.

I guess my point is, I’m going to try extended drains using a certified oil that meets my vehicle’s requirements. I own a Toyota that recommends 10,000 OCI’s. I have never done that, I’ve always done 5,000 miles. I’m going to go the 10,000 miles and try it. Worst that can happen is my car is rusted out at 200,000 miles and consuming a lot of oil. Either way I don’t think doing twice as many oil changes is going to change much of any of that. So here I go...10,000 miles here I come.

 

[KJSmith]

I’m torn on this whole debate,

If you want to feel better about it, get a UOA and see how the oil is holding up.
You can also check the wear indicating items.

It is my understanding that the BITOG gold standard for wear is 1ppm iron per 1k miles.

I said I would put my numbers up against any other Ecoboost.
Fact is, I'll put my iron ppm against any bodies, any oil, any OCI.

A UOA shows what works for you under your driving conditions.

 

[Baracoa]

My personal take away from this and other discussions on motor oil, filter, and oil change interval is to find the least expensive full synthetic oil, use recommended viscosity, use an OEM oil filter, and change every 5,000 miles if driving under what the majority, if not all, car manufacturers consider to be severe driving conditions. It's all on the owners manual. My 2021 Nissan Rogue recommends changing every 5,000 miles under severe condition or up to 10,000 miles or one year otherwise. My 2021 Mazda CX-5 has a similar recommendation as do my son's Mazda3 and daughter's CX-9. But having said that, I always feel more comfortable changing all our oils and filters every 5,000 to 7,500 miles and/or six months, whichever comes first regardless of driving conditions. I do this for peace of mind and also because it's not all about the oil but the oil filter and I just don't feel comfortable using an oil filter for more than 7,500 miles unless it's a Mobil1, PurolatorBoss and the like.

 

[2EHA]

I always feel more comfortable changing all our oils and filters every 5,000 to 7,500 miles and/or six months, whichever comes first regardless of driving conditions. I do this for peace of mind and also because it's not all about the oil but the oil filter and I just don't feel comfortable using an oil filter for more than 7,500 miles unless it's a Mobil1, PurolatorBoss and the like.

bottom of the barrel jobber filters can do 10k of the hardest miles imaginable

 

[doublebase]

If you want to feel better about it, get a UOA and see how the oil is holding up.
You can also check the wear indicating items.

It is my understanding that the BITOG gold standard for wear is 1ppm iron per 1k miles.

I said I would put my numbers up against any other Ecoboost.
Fact is, I'll put my iron ppm against any bodies, any oil, any OCI.

A UOA shows what works for you under your driving conditions.

What’s you ppm for iron on your UOA?

 

[Baracoa]

bottom of the barrel jobber filters can do 10k of the hardest miles imaginable

Thank you for letting me know. Glad to hear that because I worry more about the filters than the oil itself as I know that most, if not all, synthetic oils can easily go from 7,500 to 10,000 miles.

 

[atikovi]

Has anyone changed their position on OCIs for their situation by what they've read here?

I haven't changed my position and I haven't even read everything here. I'll change the oil when it doesn't look clean any more, whether that's after 1,000 miles, 3,000 miles, 5,000 miles, 10,000 miles or 15,000 miles, although I don't think I've ever owned a car as many miles as the latter two.

 

[Kjmack]

If you want to feel better about it, get a UOA and see how the oil is holding up.
You can also check the wear indicating items.

It is my understanding that the BITOG gold standard for wear is 1ppm iron per 1k miles.

I said I would put my numbers up against any other Ecoboost.
Fact is, I'll put my iron ppm against any bodies, any oil, any OCI.

A UOA shows what works for you under your driving conditions.

LoL , Are you using angel's tears for oil ? That's a bold statement .

 

[Baracoa]

I haven't changed my position and I haven't even read everything here. I'll change the oil when it doesn't look clean any more, whether that's after 1,000 miles, 3,000 miles, 5,000 miles, 10,000 miles or 15,000 miles, although I don't think I've ever owned a car as many miles as the latter two.

I have always read that color does not necessarily indicate oil quality/life left. But I feel as you do. When I don't see the oil as clear as when I first put it in, I start thinking of changing it soon, especially if it's been around 5,000 miles since last change.

 

[carviewsonic]

You can find a situation that supports almost any position. BFD. It always seems to come down to what an individual believes will work well for them.

I've not seen (at least I cannot recall) anyone being swayed from their position regarding OCIs by any arguments contrary to their position and belief made in any of these threads.

Has anyone changed their position on OCIs for their situation by what they've read here?

After my first few months on BITOG, I realized I was changing the oil too soon, and have gone to longer OCI's.

 

[KJSmith]

What’s you ppm for iron on your UOA?

Last UOA on my '17, 101k total miles, 8659 miles on that run, 10ppm iron.
Last UOA on my '13, 135,775 total miles, 9961 miles on that run, 13ppm iron.

Last on my '02 7.3 300090k total miles, 5178 miles on that run, 5ppm iron.
But it was on 5k OCI.... It was stolen shortly after at 304k.

I work at a company with a huge fleet.
When you see trucks that idle all day, all city driving and get 6k OCI with recycled oil go 250k with no problem, you'll question a lot.