Electric is of course better with accelerating, but I'd never say 'faster' in general as there is a difference and total electric will have peak limitation compared to ICE regardless of how you slice it. Yes, 75mpg is fantastic for pretty much anything combusting, but slow as hell compared to all the Prius type vehicles I've been stuck behind.
Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one
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Interesting response especially at the end. I’m not sure why people like you are quick to say people like me are anti electric.
First of all, I’m in the electric trade so the whole thing does interest me. I actually get to install a Tesla supercharger next month and am super excited.
Also, for the rest of average America, if ownership was essentially next to nothing minus upfront cost, insurance, plates (which are taxed heavily), who wouldn’t be going on this bandwagon? I certainly would. Charge the thing at my pole barn with its 200 amp service. No gas station visits etc.
It’s just like wind and solar. People like you are so quick to say “this is the way” with your eyes closed and ears plugged, but we just aren’t there yet.. If it was worth it, we’d have more than a few solar and wind farms around here. Where I’m from, buying a windmill and feeding the grid isn’t a good fininacal plan either as the power companies give you pennies on the dollar for your electricity. I’ve looked into it and as of now, no thanks.
We actually might be doing some solar farm stuff, but the company put the project on HOLD for the foreseeable future and the whole thing is up in the air at this point.
These are real world examples from my little life. Not just stuff I read on a biased news source.
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if everyone were to have an electric car and plug it in at the same time let’s say comes him from work at 6, the grid wouldn’t be able to charge all of the cars in most places. Our electric infrastructure needs an upgrade. I know people in CA who got solar panels but they can’t pipe back into the grid for credits because the local transformer can’t handle it or some electric co excuse.
A friend sent me this:
If we still had our previous Lexus Hybrid car, it would cost us $15.47
to drive 100 miles on premium gas from Sparks' Costco gas station
(currently $4.64 a gallon). Using electricity from our house, that same
The 100-mile trip only cost us $2.28 for the Tesla - big difference! If I
want to be absurd, I can say it cost us $0.00 due to our solar panels.
Unfortunately, the savings for Californians won't be nearly as good as
for Nevadans. You can thank PG&E for that.
If we still had our previous Lexus Hybrid car, it would cost us $15.47
to drive 100 miles on premium gas from Sparks' Costco gas station
(currently $4.64 a gallon). Using electricity from our house, that same
The 100-mile trip only cost us $2.28 for the Tesla - big difference! If I
want to be absurd, I can say it cost us $0.00 due to our solar panels.
Unfortunately, the savings for Californians won't be nearly as good as
for Nevadans. You can thank PG&E for that.
True--but I thought these cars could be programmed as to when they would charge?
Also most people are driving less than 50 miles a day (I think 40?). If one is plugging in their car for the night, they might have 8-10-12 hours to charge. Set to low charge rate and charge over those 8-10 hours. Now the charge rate could drop to toaster level while still topping off for max range, every morning.
I ordered a Tesla Model 3 Performance this past weekend. Two things about the vehicle really drew me to it - performance and efficiency ($/mi). We rented a Model 3 LR last year and the acceleration is downright addictive. If you're a car guy, you can't help but smile with every push of the go pedal. It's just fun.
A hybrid Accord would have been more practical and cheaper in the long run, but it would have been boring.
If that's your jam, go for it! I'm a big proponent of people choosing what's best for them and enjoying it. I have no intention of trying to sell someone on a Tesla or any of the other cars in my garage (happy to share experiences, though). We all have different priorities that factor in to what suits us best. Don't like my purchase? Great! Don't buy one, it's obviously not for you.
We have other cars, so it's not going to be used as a daily driver. My daily is a 2006 TSX and we also have a 2005 4Runner, 99 Silverado, and 2022 Yukon XL. My wife homeschools our boys, so she doesn't have a daily commute. The Tesla will be her run around car and we'll take it out in the evenings and weekends when I'm home. We live in a rural area, so pretty much anything that most people are accustomed to being right down the road is 20 miles away from us. So, plenty of opportunity for us to enjoy the car on the open road (stop signs and curvy roads).
As for charging, I'm going to install a welder outlet (6-50) in my garage. It should charge at a rate of 30ish mph and will cost me about $50 in materials to install. Supercharging is awesome, but rarely will be taking this ride on trips that will require refueling on the road.
A hybrid Accord would have been more practical and cheaper in the long run, but it would have been boring.
If that's your jam, go for it! I'm a big proponent of people choosing what's best for them and enjoying it. I have no intention of trying to sell someone on a Tesla or any of the other cars in my garage (happy to share experiences, though). We all have different priorities that factor in to what suits us best. Don't like my purchase? Great! Don't buy one, it's obviously not for you.We have other cars, so it's not going to be used as a daily driver. My daily is a 2006 TSX and we also have a 2005 4Runner, 99 Silverado, and 2022 Yukon XL. My wife homeschools our boys, so she doesn't have a daily commute. The Tesla will be her run around car and we'll take it out in the evenings and weekends when I'm home. We live in a rural area, so pretty much anything that most people are accustomed to being right down the road is 20 miles away from us. So, plenty of opportunity for us to enjoy the car on the open road (stop signs and curvy roads
).As for charging, I'm going to install a welder outlet (6-50) in my garage. It should charge at a rate of 30ish mph and will cost me about $50 in materials to install. Supercharging is awesome, but rarely will be taking this ride on trips that will require refueling on the road.
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Tesla Model S Plaid has over 1,000 hp of power and over 1,200 Nm of torque:
https://insideevs.com/news/562863/tesla-models-plaid-dyno-tests/
Where I am we have the second highest electric rates in the country (at least it was a couple of years ago), you don't want an EV here.
And? ICE maintains peak power as long as there is fuel being supplied. With an EV that power will be short lived and far too much time to 'refuel'...
Somewhat surprised it should even be on a highway... see them periodically and I feel the need to get out and push the things faster than they're going.
Batteries are improving, and their power is improving as well. Model S Plaid at full power has about an 8C discharge rate (1/8 hours), and in the future, the batteries should be able to continuously endure that without degrading much. These days EVs have up to a 300–400-mile or longer range, and charging times will improve over the decade, with 15-minute (4C) regular charging becoming possible. For racing applications, there are swappable batteries as well.
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That's just the hypermilers going 45-50 mph to get 80-100 mpg.
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The only nuke you guys have under construction is Vogtle, the others have all been long depreciated and generate cheap power. The issue in the last few years is that, despite how cheap that power is, gas is still cheaper. And a gas plant is MUCH cheaper than a nuke to build and doesn't require a million years of red tape to get through in order to put a shovel in the ground.
A FIT is a kick to the stones to the ratepayer, as they are the one forced to directly cover that cost. A tax credit moves that to the taxpayer, typically, and these are usually less generous. FIT's are the worst of the lot. A loan, assuming the utility has to pay the whole thing back, isn't the same thing. Either the utility believes it can make money and pay off the loan with the plant at the existing market rates, or they don't, in which case they won't build it. In places that don't use a market (public utilities) the "at cost" model is what is employed, which is how Ontario Hydro operated up here and how Quebec Hydro operates currently.
Of course many of the markets aren't "true" markets and are perverted by "first to grid rights" and REC's, giving preferential treatment to certain sources to virtue signal.
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Australia is currently dealing with the issue of too much solar. Folks installed panels, expecting to get a healthy return on the power they piped back into the grid, but if the demand isn't there, or the level threatens stability (solar provides no inertia) it is curtailed, so people's feedback is rejected. Adding a battery would of course "solve" the problem, but that adds a massive cost to the system and undermines the economics.
According to Econ, it is Price Elasticity. Perhaps you know the oil company profits are skyrocketing? Of course there is no one answer, but it is far more than a supply issue. Demand is constant, possible down due to people driving less. Supply? There are no gas lines, but certainly the world oil market is in a state of uncertainty.
The world runs on oil; it is inelastic for the most part.
- Price elasticity of demand is a measurement of the change in consumption of a product in relation to a change in its price.
- A good is elastic if a price change causes a substantial change in demand or supply.
- A good is inelastic if a price change does not cause demand or supply to change very much.
- The availability of a substitute for a product affects its elasticity. If there are no good substitutes and the product is necessary, demand won’t change when the price goes up, making it inelastic.
Yes, so why would anyone do that? Some people charge at work, which is pretty common around here. Our car has a charging scheduler so you can charge during off peak times. I understand Silicon Valley is pretty unique with its high tech attitude, high energy prices and lotsa sunshine. EVs are not for everyone, but if you have one you learn what works for your charging needs.
Here is the Model 3 charging screen; you set the parameters here, including charge schedule.
Not sure why there are panties in a twist about that article around here. It's merely comparing a "fill up" pound for pound substitute experience of owning an electric car vs gas. If you can charge from home great, and the article concedes it's much less. 98% of the crap apartments here in LA don't have access to charging. The last apt building I lived in you had to fight to get access to the charger. Even in my town house now, I could not charge a Tesla for meaningful range with 110v. I don't drive that much working from home so I don't have a dog in this fight - but I wouldn't spend 70k on a car just to virtue signal.
Also, the subsidy for electric cars is ridiculous at this point. Even musk said they don't need subsidies at this point. It's only jacking up prices. GM and Ford are licking their chops for uncle sams paychecks.
Also, the subsidy for electric cars is ridiculous at this point. Even musk said they don't need subsidies at this point. It's only jacking up prices. GM and Ford are licking their chops for uncle sams paychecks.
What? Well, uh, if we received 800,000 more barrels per day from an operating KP, and we need that oil in the U.S........... we would not export the oil. We would use it here in the U.S. right?
