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IIRC, the batteries are more than 200lbs though, but yes, there has been some attention at least given to the swap concept.
Filling a gas-powered vehicle can still be cheaper than charging an electric one
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Which is why IMO it should be split into modules that can be DIY to cut labor cost or swap station overhead. If you can move it to your backyard to charge on 110V when the sun is shining and your panel is working, you will not need to waste those solar feed into the grid, you can also charge them when it is cheap during the day or night on a timer or meter, instead of whenever your car is not driving but the rate is high.
We have a hypermiler at work, molded plastic shield covering the front end so there no openings, no side-view mirrors, solid wheel covers.....the car is quite the site to behold.
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Once electric vehicles become twice as popular or ubiquitous, will the grid be able to handle it? Will there be enough chargers at work and capacity when even half of those people plug in at home even after scheduling their charge? What do you do when you have 2 or 3 cars (edit from chargers), will some governing system manage all of these vehicles on a priority or premium basis or will it be FIFO? Hopefully electrical architecture can be improved quicker than electric adaptation but as we can see by the current state of the grid and other utilities...probably not, I have hope though!
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Did he make the molded shield or is this commercially available?
What, do you think he works his car hard enough to need one?
Heat out the radiator means wasted energy...
I believe he ordered it not 110% sure but I will find out.
He had cardboard and garbage bags covering it for years before the plastic cover
i can agree until you get to the "money grab ............eviiro disaster part. The oil would be used here because we are no longer energy independent. The XL is 95+ complete and there ain't no disaster, ..........except that about 10,000 workers lost their 100,000 dollar jobs and we now have to import dirty oil from our enemies.
I can answer about the priority of the charging part from our company policy (and other places I know of). They mandate 3 hours a day and first come first serve. The pricing of public charging is or will be like parking at shopping district or tourist area: cheap for the first N hours then becomes more expensive, so you will only charge as much as you need to get home, instead of top off to max at the stall.
Regarding to the grid. If the distance driven is the same the grid will be the same per car, the battery capacity increase over the years (if instead of dropping prices) will makes it easier to charge when it is cheap vs when you must to get home from work.
I still think we should have a plug in hybrid as a society halfway before going full EV in the US.
I can't charge at home (live in a condo) and get free charging at work so my "fuel" cost is $0 for my E-Golf. I maintain a car expense spreadsheet and using my lifetime average of my old TDI to track my savings and it is to the tune of ~$725/year saved at current prices ($4.65/gallon diesel) and my annual mileage (~3600 miles annually). At old diesel prices I think I have saved probably ~$1100 in 2 years, back out $280 for a plane ticket I had to buy because I could not drive and I am still ahead.
No electric is not going to be the answer for a percentage of drivers but it can be a tool in many peoples kit. The TDI in my sig is the outside Atlanta car and the combo has worked well so far.
Just as a side note. I have a colleague who somehow still is rocking a Hummer H2 and she has a 40 mile round trip commute, she is spending the equivalent of a near luxury car payment just to gas it up at $100/week at Costco prices.
No electric is not going to be the answer for a percentage of drivers but it can be a tool in many peoples kit. The TDI in my sig is the outside Atlanta car and the combo has worked well so far.
Just as a side note. I have a colleague who somehow still is rocking a Hummer H2 and she has a 40 mile round trip commute, she is spending the equivalent of a near luxury car payment just to gas it up at $100/week at Costco prices.
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Thank you for explaining, that makes sense. I love the idea of plug in hybrids, I was looking at a Honda insight 2 years ago and even the dealer was discouraging me of all people. With the new influx of EVs the options will only get better.
They are not using them because they require permitting and permits are being held up. Bureaucratic red tape is being used to slow walk the production of energy. 14 month phenomenon, I guess.
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There is nothing more American than that!
I'm still wanting Honda to bring back the CRX HF but more room as being 6'5 it's hard to get in. But they get around 50mpg and have a shifting lever which makes it fun even though it only has like 60 hp/ 60 tq
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EV vs Gas, no one size fits everyone.
For me, I could care less about cost, which is debatable at best, I live in a low gas tax state and my $30,000 plus vehicle can take me anyplace in the country, any road trip without a care in the world, stress free.
I dont have to worry about setting up my own charging apparatus in my home, I dont have to worry about peak electric use times. I go to a gas station and select the one with the best price and location.
I suspect moving forward, owning a gas vehicle will be more of a status symbol, not being tied down to an electric plug. Much like a remote controlled truck, they have battery powered and gas powered, the person at the track with gas powered is the "cool" one.
Im not about to spend 30,000 or more on a vehicle with limited range. I can see the use for people who use the vehicle locally but that is it.
The problem in a forum is when we talk about the cost of fueling an EV we are talking about electric rates of up to a 1000 or more different companies and rate structures and we all know the states with the highest rates...
Its impossible to compare cost, even more so most consumers have no idea of the cost structure for electric usage in their home.
My electric usage here in SC is dirt cheap at 5.5 CENTS a kWh. However make the mistake of plugging in an EV at the 4 hour peak usage period each day and the peak usage part of your electric bill will be averaged at $12 DOLLARS kWr.
The costs will always be similar EV vs gas. Cost measured in convenance and actual cost of fueling an EV which is only going to get very much more expensive once the countries infrastructure needs to be updated to handle the demand, never mind the fact that dozens and dozens of Clean nuclear power plants will need to be constructed. (maybe hundreds if you are going to replace fossil fuel)
Im not knocking EV, it will be the future for commuter cars but it will be decades away from mainstream traveling in this country.
Hybrid cars are certainly an attractive option.
I like the idea of the simplicity of EV's. I can see in the future this brand car or that brand car will be advertised as having a GE motor or Samsung motor or Whirlpool motor. Instead of talking oil in a few decades from now, people in this forum maybe talking about which motor option they chose for their EV and why. I certainly see the car where car manufacturers will be just using drop in electric motors from different companies.
Only makes sense, the EV will in reality be not much different parts wise than a remote control model car or truck you buy in a hobby shop.
Ok, but here is where the EPA will come in once EVs are popular. You don think the over blown government agency is just going to go away and close down do you? Ohhhhh ... no... we will be complaining about limits on how much power EV motors can use and how they need to be more efficient, after all, the nation will need enough power to fuel them all up!
One thing moving forward in the next decade will be the current batteries that power EVs will become dinosaurs and replaced by solid state batteries that will recharge in minutes vs hours. Toyota, BNW and a host of other cars companies GM ect ect .. already working on it.
Have a nice day ...
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For me, I could care less about cost, which is debatable at best, I live in a low gas tax state and my $30,000 plus vehicle can take me anyplace in the country, any road trip without a care in the world, stress free.
I dont have to worry about setting up my own charging apparatus in my home, I dont have to worry about peak electric use times. I go to a gas station and select the one with the best price and location.
I suspect moving forward, owning a gas vehicle will be more of a status symbol, not being tied down to an electric plug. Much like a remote controlled truck, they have battery powered and gas powered, the person at the track with gas powered is the "cool" one.
Im not about to spend 30,000 or more on a vehicle with limited range. I can see the use for people who use the vehicle locally but that is it.
The problem in a forum is when we talk about the cost of fueling an EV we are talking about electric rates of up to a 1000 or more different companies and rate structures and we all know the states with the highest rates...
Its impossible to compare cost, even more so most consumers have no idea of the cost structure for electric usage in their home.
My electric usage here in SC is dirt cheap at 5.5 CENTS a kWh. However make the mistake of plugging in an EV at the 4 hour peak usage period each day and the peak usage part of your electric bill will be averaged at $12 DOLLARS kWr.
The costs will always be similar EV vs gas. Cost measured in convenance and actual cost of fueling an EV which is only going to get very much more expensive once the countries infrastructure needs to be updated to handle the demand, never mind the fact that dozens and dozens of Clean nuclear power plants will need to be constructed. (maybe hundreds if you are going to replace fossil fuel)
Im not knocking EV, it will be the future for commuter cars but it will be decades away from mainstream traveling in this country.
Hybrid cars are certainly an attractive option.
I like the idea of the simplicity of EV's. I can see in the future this brand car or that brand car will be advertised as having a GE motor or Samsung motor or Whirlpool motor. Instead of talking oil in a few decades from now, people in this forum maybe talking about which motor option they chose for their EV and why. I certainly see the car where car manufacturers will be just using drop in electric motors from different companies.
Only makes sense, the EV will in reality be not much different parts wise than a remote control model car or truck you buy in a hobby shop.
Ok, but here is where the EPA will come in once EVs are popular. You don think the over blown government agency is just going to go away and close down do you? Ohhhhh ... no... we will be complaining about limits on how much power EV motors can use and how they need to be more efficient, after all, the nation will need enough power to fuel them all up!
One thing moving forward in the next decade will be the current batteries that power EVs will become dinosaurs and replaced by solid state batteries that will recharge in minutes vs hours. Toyota, BNW and a host of other cars companies GM ect ect .. already working on it.
Have a nice day ...
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