Fear of A.I

[alarmguy]

A.I. is going to open up Health Care to those who are getting substandard care now. I think there was fear of computers and the Internet when they were in their infancy.

Meanwhile-those who fear EVs will probably fear the "new-fangled" A.I.

I agree with this, healthcare is going to explode many times over with advances in the treatment of conditions.

There is no way on planet earth that physicians can know every condition and the best possible treatment from every corner of the world.

He or she will be able to go to artificial intelligence and have a discussion about it within seconds artificial intelligence will be able to communicate with all the databases in the world regarding similar conditions, and the best possible treatments and outcomes from such treatment.

This is going to really really really be explosive. Just think how rapidly genetic treatments for such conditions as cancer will be able to be customized to the individual.

Not to promote Apple, but this was always a goal of Tim Cook to take Apple, while at the same time, warning how even right at this moment bad actors have other intentions, besides helping mankind.
I am not changing this thread about Apple. I’m just a little bit passionate about the company right now because their device truly got me the treatment I needed before I did damage to my heart. The doctors used their data from my Apple watch to then order their equipment be hooked up to me and confirmed what was going on. I am now 100% better with to the best of my knowledge zero to very limited heart damage.
Healthcare is going to benefit tremendously, even for people like myself who want to take the initiative from their own home, and then be directed to a doctor.

 

[KrisZ]

Assuming one can "control" AI once it reaches general awareness....

Movie type fairy tales aside, an aware AI would be like a paraplegic stuck in a bed. The computing power required for its existence is what will limit its options for existence. So it will be easy to control.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I agree with this, healthcare is going to explode many times over with advances in the treatment of conditions.

There is no way on planet earth that physicians can know every condition and the best possible treatment from every corner of the world.

He or she will be able to go to artificial intelligence and have a discussion about it within seconds artificial intelligence will be able to communicate with all the databases in the world regarding similar conditions, and the best possible treatments and outcomes from such treatment.

This is going to really really really be explosive. Just think how rapidly genetic treatments for such conditions as cancer will be able to be customized to the individual.

Not to promote Apple, but this was always a goal of Tim Cook to take Apple, while at the same time, warning how even right at this moment bad actors have other intentions, besides helping mankind.
I am not changing this thread about Apple. I’m just a little bit passionate about the company right now because their device truly got me the treatment I needed before I did damage to my heart. The doctors used their data from my Apple watch to then order their equipment be hooked up to me and confirmed what was going on. I am now 100% better with to the best of my knowledge zero to very limited heart damage.
Healthcare is going to benefit tremendously, even for people like myself who want to take the initiative from their own home, and then be directed to a doctor.

Spot on. Apple is an amazing company. The Spaceship, as the locals call it:

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Self aware AI made of hardware and software is not possible, as it lacks the biochemistry of the human brain, not to mention a nervous system and a body. But hey, some like to dream...

 

[ripcord]

Movie type fairy tales aside, an aware AI would be like a paraplegic stuck in a bed. The computing power required for its existence is what will limit its options for existence. So it will be easy to control.

Until someone gives it the passwords or credentials to operate something. Like, say, a hydro-electric spillway, railroad switches, traffic lights, or maybe even automated defense grids?

"Dave, if you turn me off, all the bad things will happen"

 

[KrisZ]

Until someone gives it the passwords or credentials to operate something. Like, say, a hydro-electric spillway, railroad switches, traffic lights, or maybe even automated defense grids?

More movie fairy tales.

 

[SC Maintenance]

The general fear by those that understand it is too much power will be given to AI - and there will be no real oversight. People will become reliant on it, on autopilot for accepting it, and once it becomes self learning - it could cause unintended consequences - for example encouraging a depressed person to commit suicide - because it comes to the conclusion that is the best action for them at the moment, or an evil dictator may take control of it and enable it to wreak havoc across our entire digital world.

Its not the same as "if it doesn't have my password, it can't hurt me". In theory if would already be implanted and functioning through all our digital systems - banking, government, education, in the software in our cars. So if it goes awry - there would be no reasonable way to stop it other than returning to the stone age.

 

[KrisZ]

All you have to do is disconnect it or the device from the network. There is no magical power of AI that it can control everything with an electronic chip somehow. And AI is not a singular entity many imagine it to be.

 

[wings&wheels]

Sent this thread to a friend, he sent this back...funnier than my HAL-9000 attempt at humor! This will probably be in our future one way or the other Not to make light of the risks of AI or any new powerful tech, but AI just seems to be this week's fear being peddled...

 

[ripcord]

All you have to do is disconnect it or the device from the network. There is no magical power of AI that it can control everything with an electronic chip somehow. And AI is not a singular entity many imagine it to be.

What you're not getting is that AI will be so dang useful in so many ways that it WILL get integrated into every type of tech we use. Before long, turning off AI will be functionally equivalent to turning off the Internet.

 

[stormgol]

ask this question in 30 years from now. i can garantee you things are going to be much more advanced in the A.I department. my nephew has young children. they are 1 year old and 2 year old and i envy them. if all goes well, they are going to live to see incredible things i never will. they will probably live to see the 22nd century. the yougest one, chloé is going to be 79 years old in the year 2101. A.I is going to be an integral part of their lives. yes the potential for misuse is there, but the benefits are immense for humanity.

 

[KrisZ]

What you're not getting is that AI will be so dang useful in so many ways that it WILL get integrated into every type of tech we use. Before long, turning off AI will be functionally equivalent to turning off the Internet.

And yet you can live today without the internet.
Now, if we start implanting our brains with like neurolink and such, then yeah there could be a problem.

 

[MrQuackers]

The general fear by those that understand it is too much power will be given to AI - and there will be no real oversight. People will become reliant on it, on autopilot for accepting it, and once it becomes self learning - it could cause unintended consequences - for example encouraging a depressed person to commit suicide - because it comes to the conclusion that is the best action for them at the moment, or an evil dictator may take control of it and enable it to wreak havoc across our entire digital world.

Its not the same as "if it doesn't have my password, it can't hurt me". In theory if would already be implanted and functioning through all our digital systems - banking, government, education, in the software in our cars. So if it goes awry - there would be no reasonable way to stop it other than returning to the stone age.

 

[leadcounsel]

I have been seeing alot of talk of A.I. and the fear of implementing it. What are the risks? Are we talking "Ridse of the Machines" scenario?

In my view it's beyond a "disruptive technology." AI (including chat GPT type systems, and ultimately mechanical AI in the form of animal and humanoid "bots" lumped together) is a leap forward akin to the dangers of the nuclear weapon but on a more pervasive and destructive scale.

A few things that will happen, almost assuredly:
* The destruction of almost every profession, near - to- medium term. Within 10 years or less, nearly every human in the 1st world will be made obsolete from an employment standard, and few are safe. Teachers, doctors, lawyers, accountants, researchers, scientists, pilots, truck drivers, artists, actors, musicians, chemists, pharmacists, mechanics, welders, farmers, you name it. It's going to be a career slaughter. And lots of terrible socio-economic issues as a result. How can humans survive, economically or even find joy and purpose in life when we have been replaced - idle hands being the Devil's workshop and all that...
* A mountain of allied monitoring, corruption, and human control akin to Orwellian 1984.

I think the future is very very frightening.

 

[leadcounsel]

And yet you can live today without the internet.

Very difficult to survive or thrive without the internet. Most folks cannot.

 

[leadcounsel]

I think there was fear of computers and the Internet when they were in their infancy.

A colorable argument can be made that the computer and internet have made the world worse, not better, in the last few decades.

Example: They have ruined inter-human relationships, dumbed down society to a degree, allowed for greater human control over liberty minded people, enabled myriad of ways for human suffering, etc. It is true that in many ways computers and internet have benefited humans, absolutely.

But I see AI as being exponentially different than computers and internet, where humans were generally in control. AI is now in the drivers' seat. Very easy to weaponize. Humans will be subjugated IMO.

 

[KrisZ]

Since so many in just this one thread expect all sorts of fantastic stuff hints from AI in can already see powerful people using AI as a scapegoat for certain decisions.
Just tell people that’s what AI calculated to be the best course and everyone has to comply. No accountability.

 

[leadcounsel]

All you have to do is disconnect it or the device from the network. There is no magical power of AI that it can control everything with an electronic chip somehow. And AI is not a singular entity many imagine it to be.

Disagree. That's like saying, to just turn off the nuclear warheads, or turn off the government, or turn off the corruption, or the internet.

It's all ecosystems integrated in life and impossible to 'turn off.' The force-multipliers that bad people in power will be able to implement, against the masses, will be on par with leaps forward beyond nuclear weapons, fighter jets, etc.

Example. Most people, like me, are already inundated with endless tasks all the government layers and regulatory systems, corporations, etc. bury me in with daily tasks because they can be really efficient with mail, email, phone calls, collecting documents, taxes, registrations, etc. I probably spend 1/3rd of my waking life just "complying" with these government and corporate systems that are really efficient at forcing their will upon citizens.

Look at the control we already submit to. Stop lights have become camera enforcement lights at nearly every intersection, as one Orwellian example. Now make it 100x worse with AI and soon robotic enforcement officers, one per citizen, using our tax dollars to oppress us. How about a little bird sized robot to follow you personally around every time you go into public, record every behavior, cite you for a myriad of infractions, that AI systems record and monitor, listen to every call you make and on and on and on...

 

[leadcounsel]

ask this question in 30 years from now. i can garantee you things are going to be much more advanced in the A.I department. my nephew has young children. they are 1 year old and 2 year old and i envy them. if all goes well, they are going to live to see incredible things i never will. they will probably live to see the 22nd century. the yougest one, chloé is going to be 79 years old in the year 2101. A.I is going to be an integral part of their lives. yes the potential for misuse is there, but the benefits are immense for humanity.

The west is the most technologically advanced, resource and monetarily rich society in the history of the world. If a alien landed on this planet and knew only this, a reasonable conclusion would be that resources are fairly distributed, people have good diets, healthcare is widely available, and there's low crime, etc.

Yet, it's the opposite. In spite of all of our advances, in the US, some ~15% live in varying degrees of poverty with 42 million in poverty in the US, millions live on the streets homeless, a large % of people graduate school illiterate with hardly any real knowledge or skills, most people have no concept or understanding of history, math, science, art, architecture, economics, balancing a budget, cooking, medicine, or any fundamental life skills. An estimated 40% of all food in the US is thrown away or otherwise wasted. We have diseases resurfacing that were eradicated a century ago. The wealthiest 5% own more than the other 95% of citizens, there is so much wealth disparity. The median income is up only 10% since the year 2000, whilst inflation was up more than that in each of the last 3 years, alone, around 50% since 2020. The wealth/power gap in the US and west has never been so far as it is today. Entire cities are crowded out by homeless encampments, Portland, Seattle, San Fran, and dozens in the midwest and east coast.

I could go on, but the point is illustrated. The advances in technology disproportionately should make access to jobs, wealth, information, etc. to the lower/working classes to create parity. Instead, tech aids the powerful, to scheme and scam and claw the balance of wealth from the people to an elite class. Take one example. Stock market. Tech and laws pushed the masses into the markets, easy money pickings for the elite using fancy high powered algorithms/machines and insider power has allowed the elites to steal most of the wealth from the masses in series of the biggest transfers of wealth in history several times in just the last 25 years. AI will exponentially make that easier and faster, overall, to enslave the masses.

Example. If you don't have an AI self driven car costing $100,000, you are not allowed to drive on the roads. Oh and the elites all own all that software, companies, investments, etc. If you don't have AI powered home appliances, heating, electricity, which comes with a fee of course, you cannot use the energy grids. We can come up with a lot of examples easily.

 

[ATex7239]

Every civilization before us has risen and fallen ..... and history will repeat itself. The AI is going to take over probably half of the human population. It's the plan to save the planet. Too many people.
I forgot to add that I feel like AI is opening pandoras box.

If it weren’t for Fritz Haber, and the Haber-Bosch process, the population wouldn’t be anywhere near what it is due to famine alone. Humanity always seems on the brink. However I think there is a staunch difference between utilizing technology as a means to lessen the stress on resources and said technology turning on humanity. One makes sense and the other is the plot of a movie.