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You folks have me thinking now. Our current full-size memory foam mattress is still serviceable. We are planning on getting a king mattress in the next year or so. We're also planning on moving sometime this summer. I think what'll end up happening is that we tough it out on the existing mattress with an additional memory foam topper, then have the new mattress waiting for us at the new place.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear

I've tried out a BeautyRest NXG400 at sears for $2700 and returned later (sunk in too much after your body heat up the mattress)



Did they warranty it? The warranties on , mattresses are worthless; even if the foam/coils have sunk in when you're lying on the bed, if the surface hasn't sunk in 2 inches visually as measured with a straight edge, they usually won't do anything. I tried recently as me newer Denver Mattress has sunk in pretty good in the middle, but not enough visually. I even had the woman get on the bed and I asked here if it was sunk in and she said yup, but I won't warranty it because it's not 2 inches.

I've found that most all innerspring mattress do this at about the 5 year point, so I'm like you Panda. Cheaper mattresses replaced more often is the way I'm going in the future.

I'd like to try Latex rubber though. You guys say it really does hold up over the long run and won't sag in the middle?
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: andrewg
You can purchase a nice quality, comfortable mattress and box spring for $400 to $800 queen. It just takes a bit of work and the ability to not be caught up in salesmanship hype.
Here's a basic breakdown in prices...
Reasonable, good quality Sealy...$400
Sealy Posturepedic....$800
There really is no reason to pay more than that in my opinion.

Here are some average prices for over-priced 'luxury' matresses...
Stearns $ Foster.....$1500 starting for queen, up to $2000.
Serta iComfort....$1600 starting
Beauty Rest NxG.....$3000 starting price.
Tempur-Pedic HD....$3299
Sleep Number.....$2000 starting, up to $4200!!

Notice how some of these companies like to use medical type terminology in order to make you think 'health'? Just a sales tactic.
Like I've said before...it's just my opinion, but in these times of limited spending ability and a tough economy....I'd really think good and hard about spending thousands on a silly bed. These prices I put DON'T include the frame, head board, foot board, pillows, and bedding. They'll certainly try and sell you all that too, along with a mattress cover/pad along with it. Add it all up and a foolish person can spend enough on a bed to think they'd just bought a used car.


You haven't factor in the sales / negotiation process yet. What you are doing is like buying a new car with MSRP.

I've tried out a BeautyRest NXG400 at sears for $2700 and returned later (sunk in too much after your body heat up the mattress), and found out that our old mattress (BeautyRest World Class extra firm, $1500 new in 2006) is actually more comfortable if not because of the top cushion collapsed, enough to hurt wife's back but not enough to get warranty. A $100 latex topper fixed that.

After a few months of research, I've come to the conclusion that expensive and cheap mattress basically means 2 things: coil counts and foam amount / type. In the end my wife got a bed that she loves: a $350 Sealy's basic twin mattress with 10 year warranty, high coil count, and barely any foam. She's sleeping there while I sleep in the old bed. We'll be happy to replace this mattress every 5 years vs buying a $3000 mattress and pray that it last 10 years.

Well yes, those mattresses CAN be had for a bit lower price....but not much. Pretty silly that you have to negotiate a price on the thing like a car sale. That should tell somebody what the sales tactics are like. I've found that even after heavy negotiation most people end up buying a MORE expensive mattress then they intended. A good (bad) mattress sales person knows what they are doing. I will NEVER grasp how anybody can or would pay THOUSANDS for something as utilitarian as a mattress. I walk into a mattress store and TELL the sales person my top price.... and then walk out if they don't listen. It's black and white for me. I'll leave the $1000 to $4000 mattresses for others.
As a side note....I DO have a bad back (herniated discs) and never had an issue with any of the mattresses I've bought. I just stick with a rather firm one and forget the plush, soft types.
 
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I ordered a 3" thick high-density memory foam topper that got 4.5/5 stars on Amazon for our current mattress. I'll see how we like it, and go from there. If we like it, great. If not, it was still much cheaper than a new mattress.
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
I ordered a 3" thick high-density memory foam topper that got 4.5/5 stars on Amazon for our current mattress. I'll see how we like it, and go from there. If we like it, great. If not, it was still much cheaper than a new mattress.

Good call and economically more reasonable. I hope it works well for you.
 
It comes down to features and warranty for me. A nice soft pillow top and a solid warranty sold me on the Sterns and Foster bed. Set me back about 1700 with tax and delivery. I wish I went with a King instead of a Queen though. Not quite sure how my wife and I dealt with a full back in the day, but a Cal King would be a dream bed. Keeps the distance and I'd have extra comforter to keep me warm at night as my wife has a habit of stealing the sheets during the night and leaving my rear end to freeze lol.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: PandaBear

I've tried out a BeautyRest NXG400 at sears for $2700 and returned later (sunk in too much after your body heat up the mattress)



Did they warranty it? The warranties on , mattresses are worthless; even if the foam/coils have sunk in when you're lying on the bed, if the surface hasn't sunk in 2 inches visually as measured with a straight edge, they usually won't do anything. I tried recently as me newer Denver Mattress has sunk in pretty good in the middle, but not enough visually. I even had the woman get on the bed and I asked here if it was sunk in and she said yup, but I won't warranty it because it's not 2 inches.

I've found that most all innerspring mattress do this at about the 5 year point, so I'm like you Panda. Cheaper mattresses replaced more often is the way I'm going in the future.

I'd like to try Latex rubber though. You guys say it really does hold up over the long run and won't sag in the middle?


No, Macy's let me return it at 60 days with I forgot 10 or 15 % penalty. It wasn't broken just feel different in the bedroom than in store.

For anyone who has a useable mattress, I recommend keeping your old one for a while before throwing it out. Mattress quality has gone way down hill since 2005 and you may want to keep your old ones around instead.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
We've had a California King Sleep Number bed for almost 20 years now and I wouldn't go back to anything else. Sleep number was the only option for a California King in our area, I didn't want a short bed because at 6'4" I don't care to have my feet hang over the edge.

I like the ability to adjust it to my mood-I normally keep my side around 45 and my wife is usually around 70. Last night I bumped it up to 65 for a change, and in a couple weeks I'll probably drop it back down.

I awaken refreshed and without any back pain whatsoever, and attribute that to both good sleeping habits and the quality bed.


Originally Posted By: andrewg
No way in Hades does a person need to spend four figures on a silly mattress in order to have a good one.


Despite your rant and objections, I'll gladly pay four figures again when our current sleep number bed wears out. We paid $1600 for our current Sleep Number bed almost 20 years ago, and it works out to less than 23 cents a night for a far superior bed than any el cheapo mattress that you'll get at your local mattress shop.

Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know because I've purchased more than a few in my life and what a racket it is.
Sorry....the whole mattress business gets me worked up.


And I've purchased exactly two "nightly sleeper" mattress sets in my 67 years. Perhaps if you would have invested in a quality set to begin with you would not have needed, by your own admission, to purchase "more than a few".


+1. We purchased our King sized Sleep Number bed in 2004 for $1700. It replaced a Sealy Posturepedic that cost $1200 and lasted 7 years. The Sealy replaced a $1200 Serta that lasted 6 weeks. The Sleep Number is a quality product and it has eliminated the issue between my wife regarding mattress firmness. She can have her mattress to her desired firmness as well as I can. The Select Number has a 20 year warranty and I can replace any parts that need to be replaced instead of replacing an entire mattress. I just received a flier in the mail of a promotion for a Queen size Select Number for $899. They are comparably priced to regular mattresses and both my wife and myself and two other family members who purchased one after we purchased ours will never own anything else again.
 
I recently gave up on my wooden twin bed with a Kingsdown spring mattress...I slept on the darn thing for 20+ years and it was SHOT. I started getting lower back and neck pain.

I bit the bullet and went to a chain mattress store in the Northeast and bought a full size "house-brand" (called Sleep Options) memory foam mattress for $1400. I was a dope and didn't bargain for the price though (although I got a few hundred off for president's day sale). However I now look forward to going bed each night, I fall asleep immediately and I now feel totally comfortable sleeping on my back (which I never did).

Take my advice and DO NOT skimp on a mattress. Buy the nicest mattress you can afford.

Even though expensive, mine has a 10yr full warranty and another 10yr prorated warranty. Just make sure to also buy a waterproof mattress cover. IF you ever need the warranty and there is evidence of a spill of any kind on the mattress your warranty is gone.
 
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Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
We've had a California King Sleep Number bed for almost 20 years now and I wouldn't go back to anything else. Sleep number was the only option for a California King in our area, I didn't want a short bed because at 6'4" I don't care to have my feet hang over the edge.

I like the ability to adjust it to my mood-I normally keep my side around 45 and my wife is usually around 70. Last night I bumped it up to 65 for a change, and in a couple weeks I'll probably drop it back down.

I awaken refreshed and without any back pain whatsoever, and attribute that to both good sleeping habits and the quality bed.


Originally Posted By: andrewg
No way in Hades does a person need to spend four figures on a silly mattress in order to have a good one.


Despite your rant and objections, I'll gladly pay four figures again when our current sleep number bed wears out. We paid $1600 for our current Sleep Number bed almost 20 years ago, and it works out to less than 23 cents a night for a far superior bed than any el cheapo mattress that you'll get at your local mattress shop.

Originally Posted By: andrewg
I know because I've purchased more than a few in my life and what a racket it is.
Sorry....the whole mattress business gets me worked up.


And I've purchased exactly two "nightly sleeper" mattress sets in my 67 years. Perhaps if you would have invested in a quality set to begin with you would not have needed, by your own admission, to purchase "more than a few".


+1. We purchased our King sized Sleep Number bed in 2004 for $1700. It replaced a Sealy Posturepedic that cost $1200 and lasted 7 years. The Sealy replaced a $1200 Serta that lasted 6 weeks. The Sleep Number is a quality product and it has eliminated the issue between my wife regarding mattress firmness. She can have her mattress to her desired firmness as well as I can. The Select Number has a 20 year warranty and I can replace any parts that need to be replaced instead of replacing an entire mattress. I just received a flier in the mail of a promotion for a Queen size Select Number for $899. They are comparably priced to regular mattresses and both my wife and myself and two other family members who purchased one after we purchased ours will never own anything else again.

Lol...you sound like an infomercial! Seriously though, it sounds like you are very satisfied. Good for you. I'm glad my sleep needs and comfort margin don't hover above the $1000 range.
 
I think the expensive mattress business is a ripoff. The Japanese sleep on mats on the floor. Many people around the world sleep on a blanket on the ground. I slept on cheapo junk mattresses when I was in the Army, with no ill effects. I think you can get used to sleeping on anything, if you want to. I've had air mattresses, water beds, expensive inner spring mattresses with pillow tops, etc., etc. I don't think any one of them are significantly better than any other. Paying upwards of $2K for an air mattress with some gadgetry built into it proves you have no respect for money or will believe any pseudo-science scam that is pitched your way; it's a bag of air for Chrissakes. I've tried the Tempur-pedic thing; it was OK, but seemed very warm, and way over-priced. Good luck to you folks that have found your "sleep numbers."
 
Originally Posted By: Cogito
I think the expensive mattress business is a ripoff. The Japanese sleep on mats on the floor. Many people around the world sleep on a blanket on the ground. I slept on cheapo junk mattresses when I was in the Army, with no ill effects. I think you can get used to sleeping on anything, if you want to. I've had air mattresses, water beds, expensive inner spring mattresses with pillow tops, etc., etc. I don't think any one of them are significantly better than any other. Paying upwards of $2K for an air mattress with some gadgetry built into it proves you have no respect for money or will believe any pseudo-science scam that is pitched your way; it's a bag of air for Chrissakes. I've tried the Tempur-pedic thing; it was OK, but seemed very warm, and way over-priced. Good luck to you folks that have found your "sleep numbers."


Yeah, I really don't understand why we all don't just sleep on the floor or on the ground. After all, you can get used to anything...and think of how much more money we can leave to our kids to squander.
 
No respect for money ? For me it's more like VALUE. I am VERY careful how I spend my money, but I place a higher value on my health and the way I feel than on my money. Wit 3 herniated discs, and severe arthritis, I notice a huge improvement in the way I feel and function throughout the day since I replaced my coil spring mattress with a "generic" memory foam similar to tempurpedic. I sleep more comfortably, feel more rested, have less discomfort during the day...wouldn't use anything else. Everyone's experience may not be the same, but I consider it money well spent.
 
Originally Posted By: Cogito
I think the expensive mattress business is a ripoff. The Japanese sleep on mats on the floor. Many people around the world sleep on a blanket on the ground. I slept on cheapo junk mattresses when I was in the Army, with no ill effects. I think you can get used to sleeping on anything, if you want to. I've had air mattresses, water beds, expensive inner spring mattresses with pillow tops, etc., etc. I don't think any one of them are significantly better than any other. Paying upwards of $2K for an air mattress with some gadgetry built into it proves you have no respect for money or will believe any pseudo-science scam that is pitched your way; it's a bag of air for Chrissakes. I've tried the Tempur-pedic thing; it was OK, but seemed very warm, and way over-priced. Good luck to you folks that have found your "sleep numbers."

Finally....a person on here with common sense! The WHOLE mattress industry is a supreme rip-off. Those that buy into it are just caught up I suppose. It's pretty much that way these days though. An industry creates a niche for something (expensive, high end mattresses) and the people will often follow if it's marketed right.
 
Originally Posted By: PR1955
No respect for money ? For me it's more like VALUE. I am VERY careful how I spend my money, but I place a higher value on my health and the way I feel than on my money. Wit 3 herniated discs, and severe arthritis, I notice a huge improvement in the way I feel and function throughout the day since I replaced my coil spring mattress with a "generic" memory foam similar to tempurpedic. I sleep more comfortably, feel more rested, have less discomfort during the day...wouldn't use anything else. Everyone's experience may not be the same, but I consider it money well spent.

I too have three herniated discs (fun, aint it). Never needed to purchase a mattress for over $700 max. I've also found that the softer those silly things are with the pillow top or foam junk....the worse off my back is. A firm, quality mattress can be had for FAR less than many seem to grasp. Oh well.....keeps the economy going.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
PR1955 said:
I too have three herniated discs (fun, aint it). Never needed to purchase a mattress for over $700 max. I've also found that the softer those silly things are with the pillow top or foam junk....the worse off my back is. A firm, quality mattress can be had for FAR less than many seem to grasp. Oh well.....keeps the economy going.


So tell me where to get a King mattress set, extra firm, for under $1200. Mine is worn out and it's killing my back all day. $1200 is the cheapest, and most are $1700+
 
Originally Posted By: tonycarguy
Originally Posted By: andrewg
PR1955 said:
I too have three herniated discs (fun, aint it). Never needed to purchase a mattress for over $700 max. I've also found that the softer those silly things are with the pillow top or foam junk....the worse off my back is. A firm, quality mattress can be had for FAR less than many seem to grasp. Oh well.....keeps the economy going.


So tell me where to get a King mattress set, extra firm, for under $1200. Mine is worn out and it's killing my back all day. $1200 is the cheapest, and most are $1700+


Top line Sealy King sets are around 800.00 here in Fl.
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg

Finally....a person on here with common sense! The WHOLE mattress industry is a supreme rip-off. Those that buy into it are just caught up I suppose. It's pretty much that way these days though. An industry creates a niche for something (expensive, high end mattresses) and the people will often follow if it's marketed right.


So true! There is a mattress manufacturer just a few miles from my house (it's called Elite and it's on Ridgeway drive in Mississauga, for those that are local), and they make mattresses for a lot of the big name stores up here, but they also sell directly to the public as well. I got a queen size mattress AND box spring from them last year for $188! That identical set would be marked up 300-400% when sold at the big stores.
 
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