EV sales rise in California bucking claims of dwindling demand

[CKN]

You can continue to believe that. What are you gonna do in a major disaster? Oops I can’t charge my car now I’m stuck. You would’ve burned up to death if you were in Paradise during the fire.

And you would be surprised at the amount of vehicle owners running around with a quarter tank of fuel or less.

 

[4WD]

Your set of generators presumes that you’re home when the power goes out. I truly want a standby system. I am often out of town. We are often out of town together. It has to provide power to run essential circuits, it has to switch automatically, and it has to last several days.

If the mitigation for the power failure requires me to be there, to purchase, store and manage fuel, to run extension cords, to start the generators, and then to refuel them, it is a complete fail for me. A pointless waste of $$. That’s why I don’t have a generator.

The only systems that make any sense for my situation have automatic switching, and continuous fuel. Mrs. Astro isn’t going to be wrestling cans, trying to refuel a generator when our entire yard is submerged. Where do we put the generator during major coastal flooding, when even garage will get water in it? So…where…the deck? The porch? Pointless. CO poisoning and noise add to the reasons to avoid the whole generator mess.

Powerwall? Auto switched. Recharged with solar. That checks every box on my requirements.

Standby generator running on natural gas, built on a platform above the water? That checks every box on my requirements.

But cans of gas, generators, and power cords? Hard pass.

You do you - I’ll do me …
Not going to drop $30k+ over a rare inconvenience …

 

[Bullwinkle007]

And you would be surprised at the amount of vehicle owners running around with a quarter tank of fuel or less.

I see that too. I also see these fools stuck on I-80 when it gets closed for whatever reason. Cars out of gas and a Tesla with a dead battery. Don’t go playing the snow within an electric car.
they also don’t realize your battery doesn’t hold a kind of charge when it’s 0° outside versus 70° outside. Don’t come up on top of the mountain without having a full tank of gas

 

[y_p_w]

I see that too. I also see these fools stuck on I-80 when it gets closed for whatever reason. Cars out of gas and a Tesla with a dead battery. Don’t go playing the snow within an electric car.
they also don’t realize your battery doesn’t hold a kind of charge when it’s 0° outside versus 70° outside. Don’t come up on top of the mountain without having a full tank of gas

Where? I-80 is nearly 3000 miles long.

I do remember going to Lake Tahoe during the winter and making sure I had a full tank in the Sacramento area. I figured I might need to drive in 2nd gear for better control and that would eat up quite a bit of fuel.

As for EVs? Why not? There are plenty of places to top off well before arriving, and plenty of places to charge at popular mountain areas.

https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/n...lectric-vehicle-chargers-to-tahoe-ski-resort/
https://visitlaketahoe.com/electric-vehicle-charging-stations/

 

[MSCH]

I'm pretty much the king of self reliance.
I don't want to depend on a battery, being much more familiar with gensets and being pre set up to use one
I have no intention of buying a vehicle any time soon, so whther there are merits to EV or old school is unimportant to me.
Figure the 3 vehicles I have now will last another 20 years, by which point I will probably be in a wheelchair.


if it floods where I live from a hurricane it will be a natural disaster worthy of the Bible.
that is the beauty of Soth Floriduh. while it may be relatively low it is also so flat all water does is spread.
I think it would take 50 inches of rainfall in one storm before I would get water in my house.

main thing for me is being able to run the well, if I have water I go stay in the RV and run the AC off my small genset.
Irma(2017) the power was out for 9 or 10 days
Ian ( 2022) the power was out for about 5 days.

.
In fact I am just finishing up my 30 gallon genset gas supply I purchased earlier this year when Idalia came past.
I didn't know if Idalia was going to get us, but I generally buy 30 gallons of gas once any hurricane reaches a point somewhere 400 miles from me. If I don't use it for a storm, I use it in the cars this time of year.

Your set of generators presumes that you’re home when the power goes out. I truly want a standby system. I am often out of town. We are often out of town together. It has to provide power to run essential circuits, it has to switch automatically, and it has to last several days.

If the mitigation for the power failure requires me to be there, to purchase, store and manage fuel, to run extension cords, to start the generators, and then to refuel them, it is a complete fail for me. A pointless waste of $$. That’s why I don’t have a generator.

The only systems that make any sense for my situation have automatic switching, and continuous fuel. Mrs. Astro isn’t going to be wrestling cans, trying to refuel a generator when our entire yard is submerged. Where do we put the generator during major coastal flooding, when even garage will get water in it? So…where…the deck? The porch? Pointless. CO poisoning and noise add to the reasons to avoid the whole generator mess.

Powerwall? Auto switched. Recharged with solar. That checks every box on my requirements.

Standby generator running on natural gas, built on a platform above the water? That checks every box on my requirements.

But cans of gas, generators, and power cords? Hard pass.

in my case someone is always there. I am not worried about flooding.. I could purchase a standy genset that starts automatically when the power is out, but I don't need really one.

different strokes for different folks... right.

at least both of us seem prepared, which is all that really matters. Some of my neighbors, who know the drill, aren't ready but that is on them, not me. my lights will be on and I can take a bath and sleep in AC, which is all that matters to me.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Your set of generators presumes that you’re home when the power goes out. I truly want a standby system. I am often out of town. We are often out of town together. It has to provide power to run essential circuits, it has to switch automatically, and it has to last several days.

If the mitigation for the power failure requires me to be there, to purchase, store and manage fuel, to run extension cords, to start the generators, and then to refuel them, it is a complete fail for me. A pointless waste of $$. That’s why I don’t have a generator.

The only systems that make any sense for my situation have automatic switching, and continuous fuel. Mrs. Astro isn’t going to be wrestling cans, trying to refuel a generator when our entire yard is submerged. Where do we put the generator during major coastal flooding, when even garage will get water in it? So…where…the deck? The porch? Pointless. CO poisoning and noise add to the reasons to avoid the whole generator mess.

Powerwall? Auto switched. Recharged with solar. That checks every box on my requirements.

Standby generator running on natural gas, built on a platform above the water? That checks every box on my requirements.

But cans of gas, generators, and power cords? Hard pass.

I just learned more about this topic than I could have imagined.

 

[MSCH]

I just learned more about this topic than I could have imagined.

how you look at life depends alot on where you are and where you live.
for instance where I live I know I am going to experience a hurricane and I know the power will be out.
I will never need a snow blower or a snow shovel though.
I know the only way I will have water is if I can power up my well.
so I need a generator that will output 220v and enough gas to run it for an extended period of time.
I also know I better have a chain saw, chains, shovels and grub and a way to cook as I can reasonably expect the electricity to be out for a week or so.

If I lived in the city I might have different concerns..

my brother in law lives in Michigan... he has to have a backup generator at his house, simply because every time the power goes out
it is so wet where he lives his basement will start to fill with water, so the sump pumps needs to be operational no matter what.

 

[JeffKeryk]

how you look at life depends alot on where you are and where you live.

Spot on. About all I have to worry about is another Loma Prieta 'quake. Besides that, on cold days I gotta put on long pants... Ha!
This thread has been interesting to me because of all the things I don't have to worry about and the amount of knowledge one needs, coupled with balancing one's scarce resources. Mind boggling.

 

[Torrid]

And you would be surprised at the amount of vehicle owners running around with a quarter tank of fuel or less.

I fill sometime before I hit a quarter tank which means there’s times I’m close to that. I don’t think I’ve intentionally left the Tesla lower than 60% at home.

 

[4WD]

Spot on. About all I have to worry about is another Loma Prieta 'quake. Besides that, on cold days I gotta put on long pants... Ha!
This thread has been interesting to me because of all the things I don't have to worry about and the amount of knowledge one needs, coupled with balancing one's scarce resources. Mind boggling.

I have a friend in S Louisiana who thought he had his home and gen set high enough …
After two floods - him and the insurance company split the cost to raise a 3000 SF brick home and 3 car garage - 5 feet higher …

 

[raaizin]

I would think California gasoline prices are helping EV sales

 

[Torrid]

I would think California gasoline prices are helping EV sales

Oh definitely. Cost to operate plays a huge part in sales. It only helps that more would get accepting of EVs there.

 

[Rmay635703]

And you would be surprised at the amount of vehicle owners running around with a quarter tank of fuel or less.

During the pandemic I’ve encountered several gas stations that were out of fuel (no natural disasters)

During real disasters like the cold snap that happens every 8 years in Texas it wasn’t uncommon for gas stations to be inop preventing folks from filling their gas tanks during frozen weather.

I fill sometime before I hit a quarter tank which means there’s times I’m close to that. I don’t think I’ve intentionally left the Tesla lower than 60% at home.

I run the Volt “empty” on electricity often lol, I’ve also run it out of gas but with electricity available, both were non events

 

[Bullwinkle007]

Where? I-80 is nearly 3000 miles long.

I do remember going to Lake Tahoe during the winter and making sure I had a full tank in the Sacramento area. I figured I might need to drive in 2nd gear for better control and that would eat up quite a bit of fuel.

As for EVs? Why not? There are plenty of places to top off well before arriving, and plenty of places to charge at popular mountain areas.

https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/n...lectric-vehicle-chargers-to-tahoe-ski-resort/
https://visitlaketahoe.com/electric-vehicle-charging-stations/

Let me tell you. There’s not a darn place to charge on top say Kingvale. And it’s not uncommon to get shut down for greater than 10 hours. There’s a couple gas stations. You might be able to plug in at 110V. Have fun with that. Evs in general are lame. I’m happy to see that many states outside of CA are charging 3 times as much for registration to recoup road taxes these tools get away with in CA.

 

[Torrid]

Let me tell you. There’s not a darn place to charge on top say Kingvale. And it’s not uncommon to get shut down for greater than 10 hours. There’s a couple gas stations. You might be able to plug in at 110V. Have fun with that. Evs in general are lame. I’m happy to see that many states outside of CA are charging 3 times as much for registration to recoup road taxes these tools get away with in CA.

Oh piss off with your irrational hatred. Just dumb.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I would think California gasoline prices are helping EV sales

Of course. Last Saturday I put $90 in the Tundra (local cheapie station) and $60 in the GS (Costco). Both had 1/4 tank to start...
I put solar panels on our home in March 2018 thinking one day I might buy an EV, but mainly as a hedge against high electricity cost. We got the EV in Dec of that year.
The solar powers the house (I blow the AC like never before) and the EV. Such a deal.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Let me tell you. There’s not a darn place to charge on top say Kingvale. And it’s not uncommon to get shut down for greater than 10 hours. There’s a couple gas stations. You might be able to plug in at 110V. Have fun with that. Evs in general are lame. I’m happy to see that many states outside of CA are charging 3 times as much for registration to recoup road taxes these tools get away with in CA.

Take it easy... It's just a car. If you don't want an EV don't buy one.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I have a friend in S Louisiana who thought he had his home and gen set high enough …
After two floods - him and the insurance company split the cost to raise a 3000 SF brick home and 3 car garage - 5 feet higher …

Now you're scaring me. I'm staying put.

 

[Torrid]

Ok. Why would I want to spend 50-110k for a pos electric car when there is so many cool cars out there that are so fun to drive.
R35 Skyline GTR, BMW M3, corvette, etc. all with more than a 300 mile range and be able to be able to run on a track. *** are you going to use a rivian for? A Honda ridge line is 1/3 of the cost, A F350 can pull 20k pounds. What a rivian do? 5k pounds and a 100 mile range? Like the lightening. Cancelled bc it’s USELESS. Go ahead and pay the big money for garbage that’s going to be a dead technology real soon.

So those that buy them should get screwed on tags to be 3x what people pay for gas tax all because you don’t want one? It would have helped if you would have supplied some actual facts. The Lightning isn’t cancelled either. My company has 35 on order.

By the way I would take any of the cars you mentioned. I’d probably go 911 before those, but you get the point. I’d also have an EV too. No need to be stupid and butthurt because a vehicle is made that some others might like it. I don’t think there’s a single EV owner here that isn’t also into cars.

 

[alarmguy]

During the pandemic I’ve encountered several gas stations that were out of fuel (no natural disasters)

During real disasters like the cold snap that happens every 8 years in Texas it wasn’t uncommon for gas stations to be inop preventing folks from filling their gas tanks during frozen weather.



I run the Volt “empty” on electricity often lol, I’ve also run it out of gas but with electricity available, both were non events

You experience was truly unique to anything and anywhere I lived or traveled during that time as well as anyone I know and talk to.

Vacationed at the peak of Covid from TN, mountains of NC and SC to Myrtle Beach hotels all summer.

But then again I’m surround by land of the free states.