EV sales rise in California bucking claims of dwindling demand
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I like the no sound part of it. I am not much of a car guy, I prefer bikes weather permitting.
They claimed that, in particular the governor of the state claimed that, but Germany (I think) is still about $500 billion ahead.
It’s 50% of the EV market, add it to the top 12 EV states and you have ~90% of the market
In the interest of accuracy China is blowing past the USA in building nuclear power plants.
USA may have two under construction, China has 22 under construction at last count.
It is true as of right now only 5% of China’s electricity comes from nuclear plants, but one day they will blow past the United States 20%. Their plan is to have 150 additional nuclear plants by the year 2035.
USA plans? I don’t think there is one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_China
It’s also interesting to know being California is progressive in the push to electric cars that ironically much of the electricity is produced by fossil fuels. The largest concentration of nuclear power in the United States is actually in the eastern half of the country.
Leaving California with one old nuclear power plant due to be shut down.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_States
That was the one thing I thought I'd dislike. It wasn't until I'd driven the car a few times that I noticed how annoying my other car was when I wasn't in the mood to hear it. I'm a full out car guy and I do love the noise when having a bit of fun with the car, but I don't miss that sound when getting back into an EV when I do feel like doing some form of performance driving.
I don't mean this as a slap at all, but I didn't realize you weren't really into cars. That actually makes a lot more sense for some of the things I see you say on here. I think of cars in a more recreational way while still being something I can still use daily. I know my type of car enthusiast is a bit of a narrow window, especially since I'm ok with EVs. It's for sure less than 1% of the overall car buying market.
High gas prices, $7,500 in cash back and good amount of population near cities.
Multi car families. It’s easy to have EV sales until they plateau.
Gotta love that these stats always leave out that currently 95% on vehicles on the road in CA are gas so of course you will have big EV sales numbers until the EV percentage on the road goes higher.
It’s all good CA residents vote for this.
I paid $2.81 a gallon for gas yesterday in the land of the free without shopping around because I REALLY needed to get gas. Guess I got lucky
Stupid cheap I say!
Multi car families. It’s easy to have EV sales until they plateau.
Gotta love that these stats always leave out that currently 95% on vehicles on the road in CA are gas so of course you will have big EV sales numbers until the EV percentage on the road goes higher.
It’s all good CA residents vote for this.
I paid $2.81 a gallon for gas yesterday in the land of the free without shopping around because I REALLY needed to get gas. Guess I got lucky
Stupid cheap I say!
Yep, and all CA has to do to boost EV sales higher is tighten up the choke hold a little more and push gas prices higher. Imagine what would happen to EV sales if gas in CA was as cheap as what you're paying. I'm sure CA has plenty of excuses to justify their price for gas though.High gas prices, $7,500 in cash back and good amount of population near cities.
Multi car families. It’s easy to have EV sales until they plateau.
Gotta love that these stats always leave out that currently 95% on vehicles on the road in CA are gas so of course you will have big EV sales numbers until the EV percentage on the road goes higher.
It’s all good CA residents vote for this.
I paid $2.81 a gallon for gas yesterday in the land of the free without shopping around because I REALLY needed to get gas. Guess I got lucky
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Choosing to believe those excuses, well that's another story.
I do like some cars and have owned some, the cars I really like is mostly very old and unusual stuff, I like real wood, wool and leather with Smiths or VDO analog gauges. I don't rush out to see the lastest and greatest or their newest gadgets. I rather look at very old vehicles in a museum than a new car showroom. An engine where the cylinders rotate around a stationary crankshaft can and usually does fascinate me for hours.
Absolutely. I know around here most see how much I love EVs but I really love the old school way cars used to be built. It’s why I’m a huge fan of later Jaguars before they killed the leaping cat logo. They kept the vast expanses of wood and leather around for a long time. I still miss my last XJ minus the repair bills.
Cars are always about the experience for me. I think that’s why every car I’ve owned has been so different than the last most of the time. I get bored easy which can become expensive. I’ve only had the cars I have now for so long because they’re so different from each other. Planning to keep that alive for awhile.
Another EV thread in which the usual Debbie Downers show up to post about how awful they think these things are. Give it a rest, guys.
You know who you are. You don't want to consider an EV, then great.
The fact is that if most of us take an honest look at how we use a vehicle an EV would work just fine.
The fact is that most EV buyers are well educated and of higher income. In other words, these people are well informed, not clueless.
Finally, there is no mandate that anyone buy an EV today, nor does the State of California set pump prices for fuel.
You know who you are. You don't want to consider an EV, then great.
The fact is that if most of us take an honest look at how we use a vehicle an EV would work just fine.
The fact is that most EV buyers are well educated and of higher income. In other words, these people are well informed, not clueless.
Finally, there is no mandate that anyone buy an EV today, nor does the State of California set pump prices for fuel.
I love that the last story showed that Model 3 owners tended to make $128k. It’s a $40k starting car. If that’s not a sign of financial restraint in a world of $100k cars I don’t know what is.
Highest taxed fuel in the nation, both at the retail level, refining level and associated corporate operations.
The governor has set 2035 to ban gasoline engines
Absolutely agree higher percentage income families have an electric vehicle principally because it is not the main mode of transportation and the prices for a midsize EV are in the stratosphere plus they can take full advantage of the free gift US taxpayers give to them, meaning a $7500 tax credit
Stereotyping people as Debbie Downers is void of fact. Makes a poor argument and doesn’t sound very professional nor an educated response.
It’s a golf cart type use for fun not the principal car.
It's the principal car for us. It gets my wife and my kids around town and out of town for appointments and shopping when I'm out of the state on business. It's also my primary transport when my wife isn't at work and I'm at home. Then again I'll make around $120k this year so I would assume that people of that income were being responsible and it made financial sense to them. I'd buy a second to replace my current car before I would buy another of my same car just because of how inexpensive its been to operate and I genuinely love driving it in a way I would have never believed before owning it.
To be honest it's the family car. If we all go somewhere as a family it's the car we take. We've taken the GTI on one family trip. We all find the Tesla more comfortable and we have more space for belongings in it. The fact that it costs us 1/3 of the cost per mile is only a bonus. I think it's a bit cavalier to assume the "rich" aren't making decisions based on sound financial grounds.
it’s a bit cavalier to read this =
“The fact is that most EV buyers are well educated and of higher income. In other words, these people are well informed, not clueless.”
Really? Wealth makes you well informed?
And how much wealth does it take to be well informed?
The median income in Nassau County Long Island is $126,000 and that’s just enough to get by.
I’m just explaining my response to someone that I replied to but you only quoted me.
His post was also inaccurate in other aspects.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/nassaucountynewyork/LND110210
Police officer after ten years average pay $140,000 range
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Someone with good income could make poor decisions too, I just would think a poor decision car purchase at that income would probably be more than $50k. That could be why the average income for a Model 3 purchase is about the same as a Model S purchase.
Like you mentioned though income level is dependent on where your at as well.
Just look at all the generators hidden behind sound barriers/fencing at most supercharger sites.
Hilarious.
Wait till they start getting charged for every mile they drive. They may go back to ICE
In regards to the bands that you’re talking about the federal government, the house and the senate just passed bills to block California and ice will still be sold. It’s about time the federal government stands up to California’s bull crap.
