EV sales rise in California bucking claims of dwindling demand
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You can continue to believe that. What are you gonna do in a major disaster? Oops I can’t charge my car now I’m stuck. You would’ve burned up to death if you were in Paradise during the fire.
So, you leave your gasoline car on empty, then?
This is a ridiculous argument. If I plug in my EV, every night, as most do, then it’s at 80% when the (insert major disaster here) strikes.
During a hurricane, and for a while after, the gas stations are closed, because they have no power to run the pumps. Getting gas is subject to the same catastrophes as charging the EV. Except that the EV is more likely to have close to full range.
Full EV beats partially filled gasser every time.
Living in CA I do keep my tank full especially in the winter with snow. I will never own a pos electric car. The cost to obtain is ridiculous, battery replacement cost are ridiculous, ICE I can get a used JDM engine straight from Japan for 1100-1500 with under 100k km on the clock. (66k miles) and back on the road under 3500 bucks. iCE vehicles last decades if maintained. My last Toyota went to the junk yard after is was rear ended, she had over 400k miles.
Charge your car? CA can barely keep the grid on in the summer and have pipe dreams of powering the state by solar panels. CA wants to barrow power from your cars battery while it’s plugged. And for free. You get a small range then you’re parked for hours. You’re driving across the desert at 55 bc you don’t know if you can make it to the next charger. Mean while i can set the cruise at 90 and go on. Gas stations can run on generators the store and the pumps, most truck stops have generators. Powered off oops what? That’s right Diesel Fuel. You think OPEC is bad? Where do you think lithium comes from? China, Chillie and Africa. Remember blood diamonds? Do you know how much damage is caused to the water supplies from mining lithium and colbolt. I hate depending on China? The whole world shut down from those tools during Covid. Was OPEC? Nope. They slowed production bc we weren’t using as much. The 3 big companies just ended EV production. Toyota is working on an ammonia engine that converts it back to hydrogen. Honda says NO Evs until 2050. I enjoy working on my ICE car. Can I work an electric car? No. See that in FL a lady’s all electric Benz caught on fire not even charge burned down here house. A UPS Boeing 747-400 crashed over Dubai bc of lithium fire on board. When is the last time you seen a gas car just catch fire for no reason or a jet engine just start on fire functioning normally? This is a war with EV MFG and the us gov. Just like the battles of HD DVD and Blu Ray vs Beta VS VHS. Let it work itself out. Leave the government out of it.
Well…that certainly was…emotional…littering the pages with mis-spelled, hackneyed arguments of specious merit, rolling out all the anti-EV tropes.
Do you own a cordless drill?
If so, why?
Why purchase something that is more expensive than a corded drill?
How about a cell phone? Got one of those? Why? A landline works great. Never has a cell tower failure or lithium battery fire.
Why experience any new technology, when the old is just so good, that about cover it?
No $7,500 tax credit and pay by the mile road tax, the market will suddenly get a lot smaller.
They heavily influence the US auto industry. If they want EV and the rest ICE, ice will get sold but money will go to EV.
the real fun zone is going to begin in 2035 when California bans diesel trucks used in the port haulage industry.
I wonder how that is going to work out. https://thedriven.io/2023/05/01/cal...ilyards-and-ports-from-2024-in-landmark-move/
I wonder how that is going to work out. https://thedriven.io/2023/05/01/cal...ilyards-and-ports-from-2024-in-landmark-move/
Hmm let me see. Electric power tools is one thing. Cell phone. Battery last 1.5 days with heavy use. Cost 70k for electric car. Nah. I can buy a used Nissan R35 skyline GTR for that and have a whole lot more fun
That happened here after Sandy. They made into law shortly after: "All gas stations within a half mile of a highway exit and hurricane evacuation routes mandatorily must have a pre-wire for back up generators for power. In addition, they have to install an electric power generator within 24 hours of a blackout." The good news is we have natural gas in the area and many went that route to power them, and expanded the area to more than what was mandated.
Yeah they’re all $70k.
Astro, I don't know if you live in hurricane country or not, but when that threat emerges, people generally have quite some time to get ready and the first thing they start to hoard besides food is gasoline.
that gas thing is generally a non starter for discussion of advantage or disadvantage of an EV. For instance by law In Floriduh all the stations within a mile of the interstate have gensets, and at their option so do most of the grocery stores.
I doubt a fully charged EV has an advantage over an ICE, besides the fact the power might be out for a week or more, if a person didn't bail out they aren't going anywhere anyway.. and if they did bail out once you get out of harms way its alot easier to buy gasoline than it will be to recharge an EV.
You don’t think Virginia Beach is hurricane country? We have had several since I lived here. Power goes out every time.
But, as you say, there is plenty of time for panic buying before one. Big runs on bottled water and staples, and yes, gas. I’ve see stations run out of gas. After the storm passes, the power is usually out, and most stations are closed as a result.
Tech changes. Options change. Cost structures change. Your hatred for EV is clear.
Also clear - those who actually own them, who actually drive them, who have figured out how to integrate them into their daily lives, think they’re great.
So, who am I to believe? The person with no actual experience? The person with lots of experience?
yep, the gas station will be closed. and the tankers will take a few days before they are back up and running if you suffer a direct hit, the further you are from directhitville the sooner everything goes back to normal..
where I live the average return period for a storm is about 7 years and the average return period of a major hurricane is 17 or so...
I dont worry about run of the mill hurricanes but I do pay close attention to the Cat 3 and larger.
but I sure wouldn't want to depend on a fully charged car battery as being my only source of power.
So, less likely than some places to get hit, but still much more likely than most. We have had a couple since I lived here, and since I’m so close to the water, major coastal flooding is a common occurrence.yep, the gas station will be closed. and the tankers will take a few days before they are back up and running if you suffer a direct hit, the further you are from directhitville the sooner everything goes back to normal..
where I live the average return period for a storm is about 7 years and the average return period of a major hurricane is 17 or so...
I dont worry about run of the mill hurricanes but I do pay close attention to the Cat 3 and larger.
but I sure wouldn't want to depend on a fully charged car battery as being my only source of power.
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Several feet (chest deep) of salt water in the street when a storm hits. Interestingly, a Nor’Easter in 2008 was the worst for flooding. A combination of surge, slow storm movement, and wind direction. Several houses destroyed in the neighborhood.
Which is why any standby power system for us must include a platform to place it well above those high water levels. No car, ICE, or EV, is going to survive that flooding. They would be totaled. We move our cars to higher ground when a storm is imminent.
So, ICE or EV for us is academic with a storm forecast.
But the power thing is interesting. We have natural gas at the house. We have a gas furnace, water heater, fire pit. We could do a gas generator, even though major storm can put gas delivery at risk, if we raised it up enough to be clear of the flooding.
The power wall suddenly looks to be a more reliable option. Smaller capacity, sure, but if coupled with solar, completely independent of the utility.
If we didn’t have the flooding, I would seriously consider an EV just to be the standby power for a couple of days. I get the recharge challenge piece of the discussion, but it would be completely independent of any utility.
True independence and self reliance is attractive.
We can talk lower cost/mile of the EV charge (it’s way cheaper than gasoline here) and lower mechanical maintenance costs (several neighbors with Teslas - not one mechanical repair. Not even brakes) compared with ICE. We have looked. We have run the numbers.
If you’re buying a $20,000 ICE, sure, a $70,000 EV isn’t even a comparison.
But what if you were buying a $70,000 luxury SUV. And the ICE and EV were about the same purchase price?
Now you’re getting into an Apples to Apples comparison, and walking through our local Mercedes and Volvo dealer, there are some viable options in EV.
I'm pretty much the king of self reliance.
I don't want to depend on a battery, being much more familiar with gensets and being pre set up to use one
I have no intention of buying a vehicle any time soon, so whther there are merits to EV or old school is unimportant to me.
Figure the 3 vehicles I have now will last another 20 years, by which point I will probably be in a wheelchair.
if it floods where I live from a hurricane it will be a natural disaster worthy of the Bible.
that is the beauty of Soth Floriduh. while it may be relatively low it is also so flat all water does is spread.
I think it would take 50 inches of rainfall in one storm before I would get water in my house.
main thing for me is being able to run the well, if I have water I go stay in the RV and run the AC off my small genset.
Irma(2017) the power was out for 9 or 10 days
Ian ( 2022) the power was out for about 5 days.
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In fact I am just finishing up my 30 gallon genset gas supply I purchased earlier this year when Idalia came past.
I didn't know if Idalia was going to get us, but I generally buy 30 gallons of gas once any hurricane reaches a point somewhere 400 miles from me. If I don't use it for a storm, I use it in the cars this time of year.
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I’m 35 miles inland - so only safe from storm surge …
I have propane, NG, and gasoline gens - the gassers are secondary just like the fuel - only keep 20 gallons but that can also go in the back of the vehicles we leave town in …
Your set of generators presumes that you’re home when the power goes out. I truly want a standby system. I am often out of town. We are often out of town together. It has to provide power to run essential circuits, it has to switch automatically, and it has to last several days.
If the mitigation for the power failure requires me to be there, to purchase, store and manage fuel, to run extension cords, to start the generators, and then to refuel them, it is a complete fail for me. A pointless waste of $$. That’s why I don’t have a generator.
The only systems that make any sense for my situation have automatic switching, and continuous fuel. Mrs. Astro isn’t going to be wrestling cans, trying to refuel a generator when our entire yard is submerged. Where do we put the generator during major coastal flooding, when even garage will get water in it? So…where…the deck? The porch? Pointless. CO poisoning and noise add to the reasons to avoid the whole generator mess.
Powerwall? Auto switched. Recharged with solar. That checks every box on my requirements.
Standby generator running on natural gas, built on a platform above the water? That checks every box on my requirements.
But cans of gas, generators, and power cords? Hard pass.
It can get a little bit complicated though because of time of use rates that encourage charging during off-peak times. I've helped my parents (at their request) set up their Model 3 to charge at 12:15 AM since their EV TOU plan has the lowest rates at midnight to 3 PM. However, they don't drive a lot, and I don't think the charge level has ever been under 50% since they got it - other than the time it was at a body shop for over a week. Certainly their compact SUV is more likely to be close to empty than the Model 3.
For that plan, if they went out in the morning and got back at noon, they could probably top off the battery before the lowest TOU rate ends, but I don't think my dad quite knows how to do it.
Around here the big worry would be wildfires where there might be a very short time to evacuate. He freaks out whenever he hears about local brush fire, just in case it might get big. A wildfire generally won't require going long distances to get away from the danger.
Hurricanes are another matter though given all the advance warning. I understand that Tesla and other EV companies enable longer range temporarily in areas that might be hit by storms.
