Say you are considering Pennzoil Euro L synthetic 5W30 oil (which contains ashless organic friction modifiers ) in a GDI engine : Do you see any advantage to using such a syn oil in a GDI engine application here with USA gasoline (i.e. soot reduction , better deposit control, etc. ?) While not a long drain oil I do like the HTHS of approx 3.5 this 5W30 Dexos 2 oil has to offer (as long as engine cleaning / and protection are up to par) ...*Your thoughts on using in a GDI engine with USA gasoline ?
Euro Syn Oils - Ashless Organic Friction Modifiers and GDI Engines ?
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The USA gasoline sulphur content isn't really a concern anymore.
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Totally agree. Some studies have shown that Friction modifiers when formulated correctly can prevent LSPI with new oil - but aged oil seems to really only be impacted by detergent choice. That means you need to look at a different class of detergent as well as the friction modifiers. The 2015 Dexos1 specification and SN+ both have LSPI tests on new oil included in them and is at least a good place to start.
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Totally agree. Some studies have shown that Friction modifiers when formulated correctly can prevent LSPI with new oil - but aged oil seems to really only be impacted by detergent choice. That means you need to look at a different class of detergent as well as the friction modifiers. The 2015 Dexos1 specification and SN+ both have LSPI tests on new oil included in them and is at least a good place to start.
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That's why Magnesium is on a big rise with UOAs / VOAs. Last time I looked, PP Euro L lacked it and was packing more Calcium than the others in the fight against LSPI, turbo heat, D.I......etc.
I want to try what Castrol Edge 5w30 VOA is currently reading..... approx 800 Calcium and 1300 Magnesium, for starters. I almost purchased it yesterday, instead of Pennzoil Platinum..... then do VOA / UOA.
I want to try what Castrol Edge 5w30 VOA is currently reading..... approx 800 Calcium and 1300 Magnesium, for starters. I almost purchased it yesterday, instead of Pennzoil Platinum..... then do VOA / UOA.
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Actually, just checked and it can be had for less than $30 at RM European (highly recommended site, I use it often) with free shipping if you spend over $65. That is a really good price for an BMW LL-04, MB 229.52, and Dexos2 approved oil that is ACEA C3 and SN-Plus spec'd!
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Actually, just checked and it can be had for less than $30 at RM European (highly recommended site, I use it often) with free shipping if you spend over $65. That is a really good price for an BMW LL-04, MB 229.52, and Dexos2 approved oil that is ACEA C3 and SN-Plus spec'd!
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Why are we so worried about LSPI on here all of a sudden? It wasn't even on the BITOG radar a couple of years ago and now people on here are worried if their oil isn't LSPI resistant. How many people on here have even had this issue with their engine??
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Why are we so worried about LSPI on here all of a sudden? It wasn't even on the BITOG radar a couple of years ago and now people on here are worried if their oil isn't LSPI resistant. How many people on here have even had this issue with their engine??
Why bail out the oil manufacturers when it is so easy to comply with sn+ spec if not the spirit of it? Don't use anything that isn't low calcium, like 1,000 ppm or less, or you are asking for trouble. If they want your business they should make a sn+ oil the way you like. just 2 pennies worth right there
The only OEM spec that tests for GDI IVD (intake-valve deposits) is VW 504.00, using the VW FSI (GDI) PV 1481 test for IVD, the criterion being 40% less IVD than the reference oil FSI 5510. Look for an oil that has it if you care.
https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/prod..._SAE_0W-30_Fully_Synthetic_Motor_Oil.pdf
Shell oil matrix:
http://www.oil-club.ru/forum/index....h§ion=attach&attach_id=23329
Shell Helix AV-L 0W-30 and 5W-30 explicitly claim passing the IVD test in VW 504.00:
http://tdc.ge/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/HELIX_ULTRA_PROFESSIONAL_AV-L_0W-30.pdf
https://prodepc.blob.core.windows.net/epcblobstorage/GPCDOC_Local_TDS_United_Kingdom_Shell_Helix_Ultra_Professional_AV-L_5W-30_(VW_504_507)_(en-GB)_TDS.pdf
VOAs:
https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic...-2295122931-gm-dexos2-chrysler-ms-11106/
https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/35161-shell-helix-ultra-professional-av-l-0w-30-svezhee/
https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/prod..._SAE_0W-30_Fully_Synthetic_Motor_Oil.pdf
Shell oil matrix:
http://www.oil-club.ru/forum/index....h§ion=attach&attach_id=23329
Shell Helix AV-L 0W-30 and 5W-30 explicitly claim passing the IVD test in VW 504.00:
http://tdc.ge/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/HELIX_ULTRA_PROFESSIONAL_AV-L_0W-30.pdf
https://prodepc.blob.core.windows.net/epcblobstorage/GPCDOC_Local_TDS_United_Kingdom_Shell_Helix_Ultra_Professional_AV-L_5W-30_(VW_504_507)_(en-GB)_TDS.pdf
VOAs:
https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic...-2295122931-gm-dexos2-chrysler-ms-11106/
https://www.oil-club.ru/forum/topic/35161-shell-helix-ultra-professional-av-l-0w-30-svezhee/
*My application is for a 2.4L Sonata GDI engine (non - turbo) ... Is LSPI still a concern ??
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Sulfur content in U.S. gas is no longer a real concern.
My biggest concern with using PP Euro L in your GDI applications is that the oil was formulated before the introduction of LSPI-resistant formulas (SN+ and/or Dexos1g2). The only non-GF5 "euro" oil I know of that is both ACEA C3 (HTHS 3.5+) and API SN+ (must pass LSPI test) is the new formulation of Total Quatz Ineo MC3. It's a pretty affordable oil as well (~$35 a jug).
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