Engine oil for brand new 6.4 Hemi in Charger?

[OVERKILL]

Didn't someone post a dispute over Proof of Performance testing- as in they expected Mobil to start at day 1 vs using still current data. At the time Mobil was on continuous taxi testing anyway …

That was Mobil's claim, quite a while later, as to why they weren't carrying the FCA approvals on any of the Mobil 1 products, that they hadn't completed the fleet testing component. However, Mobil Super and their cheaper oils all had the FCA approvals, it was only the Mobil 1 product line that had none of them, so I think they were just giving an excuse.

It wasn't until the ownership change to Stellantis that all of a sudden, the approvals started showing back up again.

 

[4WD]

That was Mobil's claim, quite a while later, as to why they weren't carrying the FCA approvals on any of the Mobil 1 products, that they hadn't completed the fleet testing component. However, Mobil Super and their cheaper oils all had the FCA approvals, it was only the Mobil 1 product line that had none of them, so I think they were just giving an excuse.

It wasn't until the ownership change to Stellantis that all of a sudden, the approvals started showing back up again.

I don’t think XOM needed an excuse - they are actually the stable company in this scenario …
(and IMO when hExxon executives selected the Mobil line up we knew they meant business) …

 

[jhs914]

FCA then Stellantis recommended Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0W-40 because they had a contractual agreement with them. When I had my 6.4 SRT8 Challenger I ran Mobil 1 0W-40 because the Pennzoil was unobtanium.

 

[4WD]

Might come down to what gets debated often - use of an “approved“ oil or not …

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Overheard track side Trash Talk:
"Dodge still pretending those are Hemi CC in those heads?"

Enjoy your car. I would love a 292 scat with a stick -
but I love more the connectedness of mid 60's iron.

OIL? Stick car - higher HTHS;

Auto trans possibly allows a somewhat lower HTHS - but all with a good EP/AW package

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

Did you lose your manual?

 

[LouC]

Yes, it must have been quite embarrassing to have Stellantis show the Americans how to make a Jeep, a Ram, and high performance muscle car and tell them what motor oil they should use.

And now the same clowns running Stellantis, are telling us no more Hemi powered Dodges, what they will give you is an electric motor with fake engine sounds. Say goodbye to Dodge, their traditional customers, will turn on their heels....and buy a gas powered Mustang. Bad move, I hear they got a drubbing from Greenpeace over selling gas guzzlers. As it is now, you cannot get a Hemi in any Grand Cherokee no matter if you spend 40k or close to 60k you get the same underpowered 3.6.
PS
I used Mobil 1 5/20 in my 07 Hemi Jeep since I've owned it, bought it in 09 at 25000 miles, it is now at 120,000, that's 95,000 miles on M1, and every oil analysis I have done has come back great. So much for FCA, & Stellantis.

 

[SteveG4]

FCA then Stellantis recommended Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0W-40 because they had a contractual agreement with them. When I had my 6.4 SRT8 Challenger I ran Mobil 1 0W-40 because the Pennzoil was unobtanium.

Yep. M1 FS 0W-40 and Castrol Euro 0W-40 are great examples of commonly available, SN-rated oils. I suspect they would work just fine in the Dodge, not causing future emission systems issues.

One could also run M1 ESP 0W-40 if future frightful emission systems issues are a concern. I suspect ESP is more expensive and less available...

 

[4WD]

Overheard track side Trash Talk:
"Dodge still pretending those are Hemi CC in those heads?"

Enjoy your car. I would love a 292 scat with a stick -
but I love more the connectedness of mid 60's iron.

OIL? Stick car - higher HTHS;

Auto trans possibly allows a somewhat lower HTHS - but all with a good EP/AW package

The 292 fake Hemi is more fuel efficient but

 

[The Critic]

One could also run M1 ESP 0W-40 if future frightful emission systems issues are a concern. I suspect ESP is more expensive and less available...

The new M1 Supercar 0W40 (formerly known as ESP X3 0W-40) appears to have higher levels of P/Zn while maintaining a 0.8 SA. That's pretty impressive IMO. I think it would be a solid choice for this application.

Mobil 1 Rebrands ESP Formula 0W-40 as Mobil 1 Supercar - Corvette: Sales, News & Lifestyle

Mobil 1 motor oil is making a branding change on its ESP 0W-40 to Mobil 1 Supercar to better reflect its new DexosR rating while continuing to meet all dexos-specifications required for all C7 and C8 Corvettes.

www.corvetteblogger.com

 

[SugarMouth]

Thank you for all of your responses!

 

[SugarMouth]

Mobil1 FS 0W-40

If we remove budget from the conversation too, then likely something in similar viscosity from HPL line-up.

I see your signature, looks like we are getting closer!


5W-50

 

[SugarMouth]

I personally now use @High Performance Lubricants Super Car 0W-40 in my 6.4L. If I was forced to use a commercially available oil, I'd use Mobil 1 FS 0W-40.

Probably HPL’s passenger car 5W40 or M1 ESP 0W40 for an OTC option.

Trying to get clarification on these two choices and why one prefers FS and the other ESP?

 

[OVERKILL]

Trying to get clarification on these two choices and why one prefers FS and the other ESP?

He prefers lower SAPS, while full SAPS don't bother me, since the HEMI isn't DI and doesn't have a GPF.

 

[JavierH19]

Honestly just about any 40 grade euro spec oil will realistically do fine whether it's "officially certified" or not. I'd continue using QS euro 5w-40 as is listed in your signature.

 

[SugarMouth]

He prefers lower SAPS, while full SAPS don't bother me, since the HEMI isn't DI and doesn't have a GPF.

Copy that.

 

[Graham Piccinini]

I see your signature, looks like we are getting closer!


5W-50

One day

 

[MattPersman]

And now the same clowns running Stellantis, are telling us no more Hemi powered Dodges, what they will give you is an electric motor with fake engine sounds. Say goodbye to Dodge, their traditional customers, will turn on their heels....and buy a gas powered Mustang. Bad move, I hear they got a drubbing from Greenpeace over selling gas guzzlers. As it is now, you cannot get a Hemi in any Grand Cherokee no matter if you spend 40k or close to 60k you get the same underpowered 3.6.
PS
I used Mobil 1 5/20 in my 07 Hemi Jeep since I've owned it, bought it in 09 at 25000 miles, it is now at 120,000, that's 95,000 miles on M1, and every oil analysis I have done has come back great. So much for FCA, & Stellantis.

Actually I just PDI’d a hemi GC L yesterday so they do still exist

 

[SteveG4]

Long live the V-8!

 

[LouC]

Not after 2023 though. Adios Stellantis hello FoMoCo