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He may be thinking of the base stock configuration.
Engine noise any indication of oil quality?
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Maybe, but how would that affect it?
The only thing I could think of is that high VII content is probably not desirable if you're trying to combat fuel dilution.
In my defence, I don't have a monetized Youtube channel and I'm not sponsored by HPLErgo, like @wwillson, I don't benefit financially from sharing my experiences on this forum, which runs quite contrary to most linked Youtube content where claims are made to support an obvious relationship between the product's manufacturer and the person promoting it.
I had just thought you (or maybe someone else) had mentioned you ran M1EP for a while and then when you switched to HPL you were seeing a lot of carbon and what not in the filters. So the HPL was definitely cleaning up the motor some that the M1 apparently did not.
Was kind of going of singulars comments about a different oil cleaning better than another.
Maybe it was the hemi motor, I recall where you had mentioned that hemis are “dirty engines” or something along those lines.
I wonder if it's the reverse since VII are heat activated whereas fuel dilution is simply a very thin liquid being added to a thicker liquid. In addition IIRC 20w are inherently low in VII's. @OVERKILL may have some graphs showing VII concentration by finished grade.
Engine and sludge protection | Mobil™ Motor Oils
Mobil 1™ synthetic motor oil is designed to better resist the formation of sludge, thereby maintaining its viscosity and preventing deposits from forming, which can help keep your engine clean.
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Mobil apparently still shows their oils can clean. This was the prior formulation and not the new Triple, which uses "cleaning power" language in their PDS. The photo Mobil is using here for a before and after isn't that good either.
I think some synthetics can clean to some degree, but some certainly more than others. Within the Mobil line the 0w40, all of HPL, Amsoil SS etc.
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And yet somehow individuals here and on YouTube are getting definitive results on both with cell phones. Amazing.
But it does go right along with determining comparative oil quality via a $30 spectrographic analysis or the typical values on a PDS.
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I feel that's a little misleading. One can definitely capture a ticking/clacking noise with any cellphone these days. And if you can capture the sound you can also capture when the sound is not there. (and hopefully the test is repeated more than once). Definitive, no, but I'd be confident doing a double blind test in my truck with factory oil vs the oil I'm running now if it wasn't so costly and time consuming to setup. It's extremely noticable when idling through drive-throughs, I used to hear the clatter reflecting off the brick wall of the building I was 2 feet away from, that clatter is now gone.
But even passing a DBT that would just lead detractors to move on to the next "issue"; ok you hear a difference but that doesn't mean the quiet oil is automatically better in all other areas for an engine. And I'd agree with that in general.
But if I can find two high quality oils and one of them runs quieter in my engine, I'm definitely running that one.
I would love to experiment more to see if other oils make a difference, but honestly I just want a quiet well running engine. I have no idea what property of the oil is making a difference, perhaps it's just the change in viscosity from xw-20 to xw-30 and the rest of the formula has nothing to do with it.
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Yes, I got some carbonaceous "paste" in my oil filter (not as extensive as what Wayne has seen, but our truck has lower miles) and the truck (5.7L HEMI) has spent its life on M1 EP 0W-20, which is a PAO-based oil with I'd assume low solvency/polarity. @UncleDave got the same material in his oil filter, in a vehicle that also spent its life on high quality API-compliant synthetics.
The assumption is that this stuff came from the ring land area, due to how dirty the HEMI runs. M1 EP is not advertised as being able to clean, like most API oils, its purpose to maintain cleanliness, which varies in difficulty depending on the engine and operating conditions. Mobil has advertised that M1 FS 0W-40 on the other hand, can clean, which I also experienced on our old Expedition, yielding the same sort of material that Wayne saw in his filter.
IMHO, this highlights some of the formulation constraints placed on API compliant oils, which become less restrictive once you step outside the Resource Conserving grade range (which xW-40 does).
And a spectrum analyser with peak hold and a couple Neumann super-cardioids with stands and booms
Study on Engine Noise Level vs Oil Formulation
Thought this was somewhat interesting, especially the engine noise level vs oil formulation used data. We've all seen various threads where people say they can hear an engine noise level difference with different oils, and some say it's "all in their head" or "their ears aren't sensitive enough...
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On the other hand, today I drove my 2007 5.4L 3 valve Ford truck. I also put QS FS 10w30 in it in April. It’s noticeably quieter. In my head or not. I’ve put 225,000 on this truck and hot idle has always made some valve train noise due to cam phasers and whatnot. This truck is smooth and absolutely quiet with the 10w30 QS. So quieter in one of my cars and louder in the other??? Definitely not definitive. I have another Escape that I’ll probably put it in at next change to see if any change in sound happens. I believe the QS is GTL based like the Pennzoil Platinum is but I can’t be sure. If so then it’s a steal.
My engine is N.A. though it is related to that ecoboost "gasket blowing" architecture and also farther back the Mazda/Ford shared 2 liter engine.
I mentioned HTHS in my post. Ford has been designing engines and spec'ing them for 5W20 for decades - I will assume they torture and stress test new designs with that recommended oil grade printed on the 710 cap.
Draining out some of the 10W30 and replacing that with 5W20 the other day seems to (surprisingly) solved the poor engine operation. Doesn't make ANY sense it would make a "night and day" difference but it did. Also surprising that it ran fine on the 10W30 the prior year.
I just go by what the engine is telling me. With the addition of hydraulic cam phasers and other changes, I'm am learning my old "rules of thumb" are out the window. Changing the oil last month made it run bad consistently for a month. I didn't want to dump it, so I bad-aided it. Let's see if this 'perception:" of improved performance lasts. I am frank and forthcoming if I make a mistake or an error. Just relaying stories for all see.
It's good to hear your Pentastars are running well with a good range of oil choices. I had a 2016 Charger rental years ago visiting my Mom in FLA. I had to open the hood and see that that was not a V8. I wish I could have purchased that rental and drove it home. I liked that car. - Ken
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Absolutely nothing.
The HEMI Tick Mandela effect and Red Line Cure placebo are very real, and very laughable.
Here are the videos you're thinking of:
This guy illustrates the Red Line Oil "HEMI Honey" placebo effect perfectly
Purrs like a kitten???
Absolutely nothing.
The HEMI Tick Mandela effect and Red Line Cure placebo are very real, and very laughable.
Here are the videos you're thinking of
There's so much background noise in the 2nd video masking the engine sounds that no real conclusion could really be made. I know that engines sound much more noisy in recordings than in person from my experience of recording my own engines running in a quiet garage and then listening to the sound recording.
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