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[SOUNDMAN5000]

Great, you are responsible and properly maintain your vehicles. Clap clap clap. News flash for you, you aren't the only person in the world, and there are a LOT of people who do NOT maintain their cars properly. I'm guessing you live in a rural area and the most exposure to other people you get is when you go into town to go to the Dollar General or Autozone. It's great that you are knowledgeable enough, and responsible enough, to maintain your cars to the appropriate level to be safe.

However, there are a lot of people that,
1. Don't even KNOW when to take their car in for brake service, have no idea if their brakes are worn out or if the lines are rotted out
2. Literally do not care
or
3. "Can't afford it" but continue to drive anyway with the vehicle in a dangerous condition.

The objective of inspections (in a state where they are properly managed, such as NYS)
1. Educate and advise those people who don't know that they need to get their car fixed. This can be abused, but usually is an important service.
2. Force people who don't care to fix their stuff or they can't drive
3. Not being able to afford it does not preclude you the right to put other people's lives at risk.


Again, great for you that you know what, and how to maintain your car properly. That puts you in the top 10% of car owners. Most people do not, and those are the people that inspections are meant to catch from falling through the cracks. It might be a minor inconvenience for you, but it stops people from regularly operating dangerous vehicles. You just like to take everything as a personal affront.

I suggest you and I perhaps just agree to disagree... NOTHING you can say would make me think with a more liberal mindset and in turn welcome more regulation, My State had inspections until the mid 80's I was happy to see that go.

I live on the Carolina coast in heavy populated busy resort area with bumper to bumper traffic. The last car accident I was involved in was in 1986.

I have zero desire to see my State regulate and force me or anyone else to fix cars etc, I don't like Big Brother forcing much of anything... I'm happy my State gave up on car inspections, I assume you live in a State that regulates more than South Carolina.

 

[K.Aoi]

I suggest you and I perhaps just agree to disagree... NOTHING you can say would make me think with a more liberal mindset and in turn welcome more regulation, My State had inspections until the mid 80's I was happy to see that go.

I live on the Carolina coast in heavy populated busy resort area with bumper to bumper traffic. The last car accident I was involved in was in 1986.

I have zero desire to see my State regulate and force me or anyone else to fix cars etc, I don't like Big Brother forcing much of anything... I'm happy my State gave up on car inspections, I assume you live in a State that regulates more than South Carolina.

Again, good for you, but facts are not on your side here. The 815 people killed in motor vehicle crashes and their families in 2025 in the state of South Carolina would probably disagree with you. Where, exactly, do you think South Carolina falls on the scale of fatality rate for motor vehicle crashes? Well, I have news for you. South Carolina is one of the worst in the country, with a fatality rate over 20 per 100,000 population. New York is about 5.4/100k. Massachussetts is 4.9/100k. North Carolina, which does ostensibly have inspections but which are minimal and very lax, is around 15/100k.

In 2025, New York State had 681 traffic fatalities, South Carolina had 815. New York State's population is 4x higher than South Carolinas, yet had substantially fewer traffic deaths. Massachussetts, and other "liberal" states also had similarly much lower traffic fatality rates. Those states have strict inspection standards. Does correllation equal causation? Maybe, maybe not. But I'd be willing to bet money that it is definitely a contributing factor to some degree. A lot of it may be cultural differences in driving, drivers in NC and SC from my experience seem to think that things like traffic lights and turn signals are optional, but I've personally seen two instances of wheel bearings falling apart and the wheel coming off a car while driving down the road, in the last 4 years in NC. Both of which were Dodges, interestingly enough.

It's so admirable of you to take a moral stand against the tyranny of vehicle safety inspections at the cost of other people's lives, so you can feel a little more "Free".

 

[K.Aoi]

(Moderator note: Removed ai content posted by someone else that was originally quoted here)



If you dig a little bit deeper into the actual sources for that, there was in fact a study done analyzing 44 years of data which show that there is in fact a 3-5% reduction in fatalities. Which doesn't sound like much, but 5% of 1000 in one year is 50 people.

To be fair, it might make more sense to take the money that would be spent on inspections and putting it into actual proper driver education in those states, but I'm unsure if that would even make a 5% difference.

 

[Owen Lucas]

My wife and I switch the transmission drive mode to Sport or Tow in our 2025 Pilot as soon as we start the car. This prevents the VCM from engaging as well as disables auto start/stop. Win-Win!

21 Pilot here. I just turn off the VCM via the button, it's annoying.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Again, good for you, but facts are not on your side here. The 815 people killed in motor vehicle crashes and their families in 2025 in the state of South Carolina would probably disagree with you. Where, exactly, do you think South Carolina falls on the scale of fatality rate for motor vehicle crashes?

Has nothing to do with the vehicle. There is literally no traffic enforcement in South Carolina. No one ever gets pulled over. You can drive as fast as you want. The roads are all running at way over design capacity on top of it.

Show me an actual study showing it’s unsafe vehicles causing deaths here or any other state. They don’t exist. Just blah blah blah from keyboard warriors.

 

[PontiacHO]

Has nothing to do with the vehicle. There is literally no traffic enforcement in South Carolina. No one ever gets pulled over. You can drive as fast as you want. The roads are all running at way over design capacity on top of it.

Show me an actual study showing it’s unsafe vehicles causing deaths here or any other state. They don’t exist. Just blah blah blah from keyboard warriors.

I don’t know who this person is that is challenging you but he is challenging everyone on everything further proving he knows nothing. Keyboard warriors are everywhere.

 

[4wd]

Has nothing to do with the vehicle. There is literally no traffic enforcement in South Carolina. No one ever gets pulled over. You can drive as fast as you want. The roads are all running at way over design capacity on top of it.

Show me an actual study showing it’s unsafe vehicles causing deaths here or any other state. They don’t exist. Just blah blah blah from keyboard warriors.

Our troopers have re-appeared back to their former profession.
Glad to see them back at the day job …

 

[PontiacHO]

Having a difficult job doesn't mean you get to ignore the law, and it doesn't mean you are above everyone else and get to do whatever you want. This is the very definition of entitlement.

Please move on to another forum. You are really making a total buffoon of yourself. Better yet, go stand in front of a trucker or farmer and tell him he is entitled… See if that impresses him. You won’t walk away with a smile on your face. I’d bet you’d have to have some help…

 

[4wd]

Has nothing to do with the vehicle. There is literally no traffic enforcement in South Carolina. No one ever gets pulled over. You can drive as fast as you want. The roads are all running at way over design capacity on top of it.

Show me an actual study showing it’s unsafe vehicles causing deaths here or any other state. They don’t exist. Just blah blah blah from keyboard warriors.

In decades and decades of multi-vehicle ownership - I had exactly one issue to “correct”. It was the tint level on front glass. The tint installer said the inspector was full of it - but we literally had one Goodyear store with one inspector - so $120 later LoL …
I don’t miss that - and our cops miss much either …

 

[K.Aoi]

Please move on to another forum. You are really making a total buffoon of yourself. Better yet, go stand in front of a trucker or farmer and tell him he is entitled… See if that impresses him. You won’t walk away with a smile on your face. I’d bet you’d have to have some help…

I don’t know who this person is that is challenging you but he is challenging everyone on everything further proving he knows nothing

No, I just have a different viewpoint and set of values than yours in that I believe that sometimes, thinking about your actions in the context of more than just yourself and your immediate surroundings has its place, and sometimes rules and regulations exist for good reasons. Nothing I've said in this thread is particularly revolutionary, it's just not the sort of opinion you and this site in general are used to.


I'm not saying farmers or truckers are entitled at all, they do have a rough job, ones that are underappreciated, underpaid under recognized. Farmers right now are getting hit massively by tariffs and require support from the government. That's not entitlement- that's providing support to groups in need, which is totally acceptable and a good thing. What I am saying is entitled however is this opinion that because someone has a hard job, they should be exempt from basic things like "pollute less". If anything, the people you should be blaming for making their lives difficult are manufacturers like John Deere who have been fighting right to repair for decades, and using proprietary hardware and software that requires a Deere approved technician (paying license fees to Deere for the diagnostic software and training).


Why no outrage against that? I'm 1000% for right to repair to help specifically those groups, but they should have to follow the same rules as everyone else when it comes to things that affect everyone else.

 

[PontiacHO]

Ha! Case in point.

 

[ARB1977]

21 Pilot here. I just turn off the VCM via the button, it's annoying.

VCM can’t physically be turned off. A muzzler took care of that on our 19. VCM shuts off cylinders not the auto start/stop.

 

[D60]

It was a silly mandatory option considering virtually every car with it also has remote start. So all the gas you save by stopping at a stop sign you burn up in your driveway.

It was even dumber when we all (as a society) embraced this thing six years ago. I watched people sit in my veterinarian's parking lot idling endlessly in the winter waiting to go inside because they couldn't have more people in the building.

 

[OVERKILL]

Another thread like this was just stopped by the mods. Most vehicles have a defeat button for the start/stop. It gives you the option of the motor not turning off and the need to buy more gas over a motor that does shut off.

Sure, but if you are buying something that averages 10mpg, the odds are, that's not a huge concern. It seems to be more prevalent on non-luxo and non-performance vehicles, something that already gets good fuel economy and likely puts that concern in the perspective buyer's wheelhouse. My SRT doesn't have it and neither does my parent's new GC-L.

 

[OVERKILL]

No, I just have a different viewpoint and set of values than yours in that I believe that sometimes, thinking about your actions in the context of more than just yourself and your immediate surroundings has its place, and sometimes rules and regulations exist for good reasons. Nothing I've said in this thread is particularly revolutionary, it's just not the sort of opinion you and this site in general are used to.


I'm not saying farmers or truckers are entitled at all, they do have a rough job, ones that are underappreciated, underpaid under recognized. Farmers right now are getting hit massively by tariffs and require support from the government. That's not entitlement- that's providing support to groups in need, which is totally acceptable and a good thing. What I am saying is entitled however is this opinion that because someone has a hard job, they should be exempt from basic things like "pollute less". If anything, the people you should be blaming for making their lives difficult are manufacturers like John Deere who have been fighting right to repair for decades, and using proprietary hardware and software that requires a Deere approved technician (paying license fees to Deere for the diagnostic software and training).


Why no outrage against that? I'm 1000% for right to repair to help specifically those groups, but they should have to follow the same rules as everyone else when it comes to things that affect everyone else.

But China pollutes with impunity producing the things we've outsourced due to the cost of manufacturing in the West. These regulations don't exist in a vacuum, industry response has often been to leave, or move the regulated portion of production overseas, meaning the pollution doesn't stop and ostensibly gets worse, as controls/regulations may be non-existent in the location outsourced to, and now you've added the pollution of transport on top, like ocean-going container ships that burn bunker C, a fuel that's so dirty, they often aren't allowed to burn it in ports and must switch to diesel.

There's a huge double standard here where we press individuals and corporations to comply with ever-increasing regulation while allowing offshoring and the manufacture of product in places without these regulations passage on our shores and proliferation in our markets, undermining the very purpose of these virtuous overtures of environmental wisdom we are told are necessary to save the planet.

 

[Owen Lucas]

VCM can’t physically be turned off. A muzzler took care of that on our 19. VCM shuts off cylinders not the auto start/stop.

I can't tell when the cylinders deactivate durign driving.

The engine seems pretty smooth, is there any indicator that VCM is kicking on and off?

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

S/S feature is a starter solenoid killer

Hahaha.. no it's not. The starters are not of the same quality.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I suggest you and I perhaps just agree to disagree... NOTHING you can say would make me think with a more liberal mindset and in turn welcome more regulation, My State had inspections until the mid 80's I was happy to see that go.

I live on the Carolina coast in heavy populated busy resort area with bumper to bumper traffic. The last car accident I was involved in was in 1986.

I have zero desire to see my State regulate and force me or anyone else to fix cars etc, I don't like Big Brother forcing much of anything... I'm happy my State gave up on car inspections, I assume you live in a State that regulates more than South Carolina.eality you owe a lot to your location.

Well the reality is that in some regards you've been fortunate to live where you do. You don't have to deal with winter salt which literally eats away the frame and brakes. You don't have to deal with air quality because your emissions blow out to sea instead of for example getting trapped by the surrounding terrain.

 

[stevejones]

Please don't quote AI as it doesn't really "think".

You're not my supervisor.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

You're not my supervisor.

True which why I said please.