None of my vehicles have start/stop. I wouldn't buy one it it had. Seems as annoying as my start/stop which is nocturnal and involves the bathroom. Fortunately there is medicine for that.
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No, manual transmission will not make a comeback.
If they could conditionally enable/disable auto start/stop based on data from the same camera(s) used to inform the automatic emergency braking, that would be fantastic. If the camera sees a stop sign facing the front of the car, let the engine run. No stop sign + full stop = shut it down. I like auto start/stop at railway crossings and long traffic lights. Feeling the engine shut down just as I'm about to take off from a stop sign fills me with murderous rage.
Regardless of how "smart" they can make it, I agree with others that once the feature is turned off it should stay that way until it is told otherwise.
Regardless of how "smart" they can make it, I agree with others that once the feature is turned off it should stay that way until it is told otherwise.
This has very little to due with vehicle pollution. Very little........
In the Volvo you are hard pressed to know there is a start/stop system. When you drive it the only way you can tell is that there is a green indicator on the dashboards that lights up indicating there are zero rpms. It is VERY SEAMLESS. But the sticker (when new in 2022) was $56,000.00-not cheap.
Seems to work seamlessly in our RX450h. Seems like no biggie to me.
Since you can drive a hybrid without the engine running, start/stop is a non-issue. The engine stops in normal driving on a regular basis and the driver will notice this only if unusually attentive.
The only ICE only cars I've driven with start/stop have been rentals and the feature was far from seamless although not overly obtrusive.
Kestas
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The start/stop technology is not being banned, but rather disincentivized because the public hates it, and because it'll make car manufacturing cheaper.
You really believe if the start/stop system cost a $1,000 per vehicle-we are going to see that reduction?
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It's going to wind up being a race to the bottom. Total car sales are trending flat over the last 2.5 years. Cox Automotive have been talking about "softening demand" for a while now. OEMs are carrying more debt than ever and most of them desperately need to move units. VW, Ford, every brand under Stellantis, Nissan, Mazda, etc. all have over 100 days worth of inventory, per Cox. The buying public needs prices to come down. OEMs need cars to be cheaper to manufacture. This is how you incentive the prices to come down. Doesn't mean they'll be forced to, but they'll have the ability to do so. Once one brand does, the dominos start to fall.
The average new vehicle price is near $50,000.00. Eliminating this feature (start/stop) won't move the needle. But yes- you are right an affordability crisis is looming.
To the chagrin of many on here-this will be solved by Chinese vehicles. Either being imported directly or "badge engineered" buy Ford, GM, etc.
And the public won't care.
Kestas
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Its not being cynical- its reality. See as reference GM/ Ford walking away from the low end. See for reference all pickups priced within spitting distance of each other. Respectfully- your comment isnt based in reality.
Stop making sense.
Short version is the EPA makes up the rules on there own based on “the clean air act” from the 70’s. The head of the EPA serves at the pleasure of POTUS.
Even more interesting is with the Supreme Court reversing the so called Chevron doctrine the next guy might actually loose in court if they try to bring it back.
You should've bought a BMW. Of course the irony is the SS already exists on hybrids and they're not going anywhere
In the old days, we saved gas by using "Georgia Overdrive", which was coasting downhill in neutral. It worked with carburated cars, but with electronic fuel injection, most cars use no fuel going downhill with no throttle input.
I don't disagree at all. Eliminating stop-start is a drop in the ocean. However, the trend towards removing the EPA fines allows for other cost-cutting measures beyond stop-start. Hopefully, OEMs will take advantage.
Ultimately, the biggest factor in the price of cars is the price of labor. Which is why we're unlikely to get back to the days of mid-teen's new car prices for basic, economy cars until Chinese OEMs enter the market at large scale and without tariffs. I have opinions on whether that's good or not, but I'll keep them to myself. However, anything to help bring new car prices down by any amount in the near future is a welcome relief.
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