I saw a Suzuki Kashi for sale for decent amount!
It might be a decent cool car but it’s a unicorn. If I had a weird car I’d dump it NOW!
It might be a decent cool car but it’s a unicorn. If I had a weird car I’d dump it NOW!
Obviously we don't make the market, or at least not the vocal ones who want crank windows and manual transmissions. What new vehicles come so equipped here in North America?I agree with you both.
1. We do...
2. If that's not good enough for you, we make the market.
This is echoed on various car forums. Since sales numbers are so low on manual transmissions (when they are offered) on certain models, it's a safe bet to conclude it's the same guys posting this on forums across the web. The two latest issues are start/stop and push button ignition. The later I frankly don't understand-having one vehicle with a push button and the other with keys. But those two gripes are in all likelihood a losing battle as well.Obviously we don't make the market, or at least not the vocal ones who want crank windows and manual transmissions. What new vehicles come so equipped here in North America?
I have to admit, I do love the convenience of the key fob that stays in the pocket. No fumbling for keys while trying to balance an umbrella and other item in hand.This is echoed on various car forums. Since sales numbers on so low on manual transmissions (when they are offered) on certain models, it's a safe bet to conclude it's the same guys posting this on forums across the web. The two latest issues are start/stop and push button ignition. The later I frankly don't understand-having one vehicle with a push button and the other with keys. But those two gripes are in all likelihood a losing battle as well.
OR-having to take your gloves off-to get in to your pocket for your keys when it's winter and cold.I have to admit, I do love the convenience of the key fob that stays in the pocket. No fumbling for keys while trying to balance an umbrella and other item in hand.
OR-having to take your gloves off-to get in to your pocket for your keys when it's winter and cold.
Still have to take a mitten off to work the push start button though, along with working the various controls. I only lock my car at a few stores so I could dig them out of a pocket once in the car, usually its not locked though.OR-having to take your gloves off-to get in to your pocket for your keys when it's winter and cold.
It is true fobs can be expensive. But they should last the life of the vehicle unless dropped and broken, lost, or stolen. Maybe your vehicle is different-but-I wear heavy gloves and can push the button without issue on my wife's Santa Fe. Here in Salt Lake it's not the 60's anymore and one should always lock their vehicles.Still have to take a mitten off to work the push start button though, along with working the various controls. I only lock my car at a few stores so I could dig them out of a pocket once in the car, usually its not locked though.
As much as the fob is nice, my wallet still prefers keys. I had two keys cut for $3 for my beater. I used to buy a set of tires for I read about key fob price!
Never tried the push start while wearing gloves or mittens, wife rarely lets me drive it.It is true fobs can be expensive. But they should last the life of the vehicle unless dropped and broken, lost, or stolen. Maybe your vehicle is different-but-I wear heavy gloves and can push the button without issue on my wife's Santa Fe. Here in Salt Lake it's not the 60's anymore and one should always lock their vehicles.
That seems a bit much as they should support the county they choose to operate in...Dealers here do that because the county charges a tax on the inventory of cars on the lot on January 1. So they move all the cars to an adjacent county with a lower tax rate for one day.
We don't know if they are waiting for chips or not......Car lots are PACKED FULL with brand new cars in mid-Michigan (Lansing). I just drove by them today (covered in snow)..........Just waiting to make it to dealer lots.
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So we are involved with the manufacture and distribution of petroleum-based products as well as vehicles?Obviously we don't make the market, or at least not the vocal ones who want crank windows and manual transmissions. What new vehicles come so equipped here in North America?
Local news seems to indicate chip supply is the major cause. I imagine other causes contribute, such as truck and rail delivery.We don't know if they are waiting for chips or not......
They might be but there are plenty of components and other things produced domestically as well as elsewhere, someone tried to get all hung up on China earlier in the thread but the truth is things are produced from all over the world that go into a car.We don't know if they are waiting for chips or not......
I was using market in terms of the list of buyers for a product. I.E. buyers in the new car market. I thought that was obvious from the context. Perhaps we are missing one another here in terms of understanding. I am not sure what you are trying to say here.So we are involved with the manufacture and distribution of petroleum-based products as well as vehicles?
This is what I mean by make the market.
We aren't swayed by marketing but we actually manufacture the product and distribute them......
Well I appreciate you at least asking and pointing out what you see.I was using market in terms of the list of buyers for a product. I.E. buyers in the new car market. I thought that was obvious from the context. Perhaps we are missing one another here in terms of understanding. I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
No harm and I think I understand, thanks.Well I appreciate you at least asking and pointing out what you see.
I legitimately feel like you misconstrued what I was trying to say. I said that we do make the market. Perhaps what I should have said is that we do manufacture the market. Meaning yes literally as far as the physical products that we buy in the store that compromise the market of oil and things like that. You said you felt like it was obvious that you meant buyers in the market and the people that buy things and I would say to you that I felt that when I said we made the market I was referring to the products it was not exactly obvious to me.
There is no harm in talking this is a discussion for I'm so I think everything is totally fine, did I do a good job of explaining why I typed that we do make the market
My biggest concern is the cloning that seems possible of the signal from the fob-unless you leave your fob in a Faraday or lead box at night. Losing them gets expensive too.Still have to take a mitten off to work the push start button though, along with working the various controls. I only lock my car at a few stores so I could dig them out of a pocket once in the car, usually its not locked though.
As much as the fob is nice, my wallet still prefers keys. I had two keys cut for $3 for my beater. I used to buy a set of tires for I read about key fob price!