We Bought a 2024 Odyssey

What advantage would that be? And why for 3000 miles and not 5k or 10k miles, or simply per the OLM?

The assembly lube, rich in moly is solely used for that very first start up, that’s it. After that is done, you don’t need it anymore.
Please do not get in my face over this. So you know more than Honda. It has been well known that they recommend leaving oil in 5K at least. I was using 3K as a compromise. And like I said wasn't sure if this was still a thing. I respond to very few of your posts because of your aggressive attitude many times.
 
Please do not get in my face over this. So you know more than Honda. It has been well known that they recommend leaving oil in 5K at least. I was using 3K as a compromise.
I’m not in your face. You stated an “advantage”. Now your argument is that Honda knows best, but your own recommendation is against Hondas and is supposed to be some sort of compromise.
So you know more than Honda? It seems like it. So I want to know specific reasons, not just generic statements.
 
I’m not in your face. You stated an “advantage”. Now your argument is that Honda knows best, but your own recommendation is against Hondas and is supposed to be some sort of compromise.
So you know more than Honda I take it?
You are now on ignore. Bye Bye
 
The current gen 2nd row Sienna is removable, but probably not for the average father. My parents, and then myself have owned minivans since 1990 and the 2nd row has never been removed in any of them. I dont understand the fixation. Last week my van transported a 3 point scoop just fine with just the rear cargo area, my ranch van transported 900 lbs of concrete also with just the rear area a month prior.

 
People get worried about the factory fill oil but in reality, the wear metals are never at alarming levels. That's why I think manufacturers are ok with leaving it in. It's not some planned obsolescence conspiracy.
 
I wonder if you have to remove the VCM muzzler before taking it in for any service in order to keep the warranty?
I brought my 2018 Pilot in several times for service with the muzzler in place and no one said anything. The Magnuson-Moss Act means the manufacturer would have to prove the muzzler was the proximal cause of a specific failure to deny warranty for THAT particular failure. You can not uniformly deny the entire warranty simply because aftermarket parts were used.
 
Service is not warranty, so I can see that a tech would not be even on the look out for such a device, unless it sticks out and totally looks out of place.
But for warranty work, I’m pretty sure they would bring it up if they were sticklers. MM Act is to prevent manufacturers from forcing only their OEM replacement parts, not for protecting new components that are not originally installed at the factory or available through the dealer network.
 
Service is not warranty, so I can see that a tech would not be even on the look out for such a device, unless it sticks out and totally looks out of place.
But for warranty work, I’m pretty sure they would bring it up if they were sticklers. MM Act is to prevent manufacturers from forcing only their OEM replacement parts, not for protecting new components that are not originally installed at the factory or available through the dealer network.

I'm just about to finish my business law class and we talked about MM quite a bit. The FTC does address aftermarket parts that are not intended to be replacement parts for an original part and tuning.

"The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act says the manufacturer cannot force you to use their parts but they also do not have to pay for warranty repairs caused by someone else’s part. Or, if your part caused something else to fail. Like if you put a monster turbo on your car which did not come with a turbocharger in the first place. The Federal Trade Commission addresses these things as well:

Still, if it turns out that the aftermarket or recycled part was itself defective or wasn't installed correctly, and it causes damage to another part that is covered under the warranty, the manufacturer or dealer has the right to deny coverage for that part and charge you for any repairs. The FTC says the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage.
So, if your hopped up car’s radio stopped working, the manufacturer would have to pick up the repair so long as there was no connection between the turbo installation and the radio operation. BUT, if your turbocharged engine now put too much power to the transmission and the transmission failed, then they could deny the coverage on that repair.

People often say they have been told that if they modify their car, their entire warranty will be voided. That is never the case. But the warranty on a particular part or system damaged by your modification might be denied."

Think of all the parts that can be added to a vehicle for which there was no original part. Ex. Winches, additional lights, additional stereo components, skid plates, etc. Is there some additional risk? Sure, but I think MM would still cover a muzzler and if say the transmission blew they'd have to prove the muzzler was the proximal cause.


https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...ll-aftermarket-parts-will-void-your-warranty/
 
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I understand that an aftermarket component doesn’t void the entire warranty. However it is not as cut and dry as many think it is, especially when it comes to the electrical components. Everything is now connected through the CAN Bus network and components that seemingly should not have any effect on other systems, actually might.

The MM act doesn’t require the level of proof that criminal cases do. If they can establish a possible cause, I’m pretty sure that is enough. And with the can bus system, a poor splice into the electrical wire can cause issues. A shielding you removed to get access to something else and failed to re-install correctly, can all of the sudden introduce an electromagnetic interference and your radio reception drops, etc.

If you push the issue and want definite proof, they can probably keep digging and find the actual issue. At that point you’re paying the bill for their diagnostic work. Would anyone be willing to take that risk with some dubiously made aftermarket component? I know I would not.

Therefore I would remove such a device before visiting the dealer.
 
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Thanks for posting on this. We have 3 littles left at home (10 to 4) of the 7 kids we have. Our current Chrysler van will be my last one between the problems with this one, and the problems I read and hear about with Pacificas. It’s my 4th Chrysler van with the 95 being junk, the 02 being perfect and only replaced due to rust, the ‘12 being blah and uncomfortable, and this 14 being an electrical nightmare.

Since my 09 Camry has 242,000 miles of lots of travel with minimal maintenance (outside of new pistons at 150k ish miles), I was leaning towards Toyota, but interested in Hondas as well. The truth is I would prefer a Pathfinder, Grand Cherokee L, or something like that, but I know minivan is the right vehicle. I do not want a Full size SUV like a Suburban at all. My wife hates big cars and refuses to drive my F150.

This post helps me consider what you purchased as an option for sure. The Toyota Dealer is better than our Honda/Nissan dealer, but, if I never have to visit, who cares?
 
My dealer doesn't care.
Mine went in for a new EGR at 50k miles and they unplugged mine and put it on the passenger seat for me. Made comments in teh paperwork about "unknown device hooked into emissions" lol

I hooked it back up that night :LOL:
 
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Congrats may it serve you well! Aleays pleased to see people embracing children.

Having owned a few of these since new and running them to well over 200K miles.

Good choice on the 5w-30, I ran 5w-30 or thicker and on occasion in the winter might run a 0w-20. None of then ever used oil.

I drained oil at least 3X before hitting 3K. Some may say waste of resources, but I say my car is trouble free.

On one of them 1999 first gen the fuel pump went out at 300+ with the second owner owninv it and I had the pesky sticking door that needed the special grease. It also had a couple of transmission grenade at approx 100k miles each time.

the one I still have now have 2nd gen has over 250K, rust starting to form at tailgate and wheel , just rebuilt the power steering pump an put a new AC compressor and condenser. Still Original transmission (Maxlife every other oil change with lube guard and every 100K 3x drain and fill), timing belt, water pump, brakes and tires, valve adjustment is all that has been done.

I think I jeep it around just to remember all the trips and messes the kids made in it when they were still living at home.
 
Minivans are truly the Alpha Male’s vehicle. He does not car what others think, only the well being of his family. Certainly a refined choice, Mr. Pifer. 🧐
It’s been said that the “ultimate enthusiast vehicle” is a sporty RWD or AWD wagon with a manual trans. Sporty and fun to drive, but lots of utility to haul stuff as well.

This is not that different, really, except larger and a bit more ponderous.

This obviously has a pretty sporty powertrain, at least, for a van. Great, eager, VTEC V6 power and soundtrack, adept transmission, even with paddle shifters.

It’s too bad that packaging requirements and compromises necessitate FWD & transverse engine mounting. A longitudinal mount engine and RWD would do a lot for the handling, make it push less in the corners, and feel less front-heavy. But then you’d gain OAL and lose some interior space.

For what it is, I think it’s excellently engineered.

We’ll see how reliable it turns out to be.
 
We picked up the wife's new 2024 Odyssey (Touring trim) on March 26, and just getting the chance to post up about it.

We've really, actually needed a van for years, having a 3-yr-old, 2-yr-old, and 1-yr-old.

Back in December 2020, the wife had her 2018 Civic hatchback 1.5T 6MT, which we loved, and had driven around Appalachia for our honeymoon, but someone rear-ended her and totaled it, and, with her expecting our first child at that time, she decided on a new 4Runner, and it served us well for 3 years. I'd been hinting at a van for a couple of years, but she loved her 4Runner and never liked minivans.

But, a couple of months ago, we learned that we'll be having a new baby around October 2024 timeframe, so she was like, "We're gonna have to get a van, aren't we." I said, "Yep."

We actually decided on this vehicle sight-unseen, never having driven or ridden in one, just from reading about it and doing research online, YouTube, etc.

She asked me what we'd get (she likes cars, but doesn't nerd out on them like I do), and I already knew that the Odyssey was the only choice for us, due to the sweet J35 and Honda-built 10-speed automatic combo.

Really, it was the only choice, given the other options on the market (Sienna's hybrid-CVT powertrain and inability to remove 2nd row seats ruled it out, and I've never been a Chrysler guy or a Korean car guy).

From the reviews I'd watched and read, everyone said that the Odyssey rode and drove extremely well, and in the short time we've owned it, I have found that to be the case. I find the acceleration to be more than adequate. At sub-7 seconds 0-60, it's much quicker than the 4Runner, and matches some sports sedans from just a few years ago! And the engine has a great growl to it when you rev it up (redline is almost 7000 RPM)!

Handling and steering is also very nice. At 4500 lbs unloaded, you can definitely feel some weight behind you, but it's not obnoxious or anything. We have some curvy, hilly country roads around us, and I've set the transmission to "SPORT" mode, and it's quite fun! Definitely not going to match the pace I could set in my old WRX or anything, but respectable! SPORT mode programming does a great job holding a gear out in the curves, and it even has paddle shifters if you want to completely control the shifting yourself.

We went with the Touring primarily for the rear-seat entertainment system. We don't let our kids have phones, and we don't own iPads, and we're delaying that as long as possible, however, we don't mind them watching some TV, and they enjoy it. Having some of the luxury features, like leather interior, moonroof, heated/power seats, auto climate control, etc. sort of softens the blow of the wife having to get rid of her beloved 4Runner, also.

Ride is actually really good, even with the 19" wheels that the Touring comes with. I'd say it's an ideal compromise between good handling (for a large vehicle) and compliance.

So far, everything seems to be of very good quality and fit & finish. Of course, I realize that this is a far more complex vehicle than my 2007 Tacoma, or the wife's old 2021 4Runner, and won't be as reliable over time (complexity = increased maintenance requirements). But we considered it and decided that the compromise was worth it to us for the increased convenience, utility, and economy. Even with the 280-HP V6, this is capable of matching the highway fuel economy of my old 2016 4-cyl WRX, which is impressive ( I usually got about 27 MPG highway in that car).

One thing that my wife has commented on is the convenience of the "magic slide" middle row seats that the Odyssey has. It's a lifesaver with one kid who's still not able to climb into her seat by herself, and another coming later this year. Right now we have the 1-yr-old in one of the middle seats, so we can put her in her seat and then slide it over in order to make room for one of the other kids to climb into the back row and get into their seat. Then there's room to assist them in buckling up. And then we just slide that middle row seat back to the outboard position (we have the middle seat of the 2nd row removed). It is really nice.

So far, we're really enjoying it, and I think the wife is warming up to it after seeing how much more convenient it is.

So far we've taken 1 road trip in it (to Memphis and back for Easter), and I really enjoyed driving it. Very comfortable seat, though it doesn't have the leg room that my Tacoma or the 4Runner had (I'm 6'2"), but definitely not unbearable. And that's my only (minor) gripe with the car. The passing power of that engine is really nice, and, again, it sounds great. Very quiet interior, also, despite the fact that only the windshield is acoustic glass (the Elite trim level, which is about 5 grand more, adds acoustic glass all the way around).

I went back and forth a bit in my mind about muzzling the VCM (variable cylinder management) system. A lot of folks decide not to muzzle them on this 3rd gen VCM system, as they say that they don't have near the problems with oil burning caused by 3 of the cylinders shutting down during partial load that the older iterations of VCM had. There's also the theory that most of the oil burning problems/ring coking is due to infrequent oil changes by unscrupulous owners, and that those who tend to be more conscientious about oil changes and maintenance in general don't tend to have issues. And that theory sounds very reasonable to me.

But, in the end, after considering it and doing the research, I could see little benefit to leaving it enabled, and decided not to take the chance, so I ordered and received an S-VCM muzzler, and will be installing it in the next couple of days.

Still on factory fill oil right now, and not in any big hurry to change it. I'll probably go with whatever name-brand 5W-30 or 10W-30 I can get a deal on. I'm not concerned with using just one type of oil in it, though I've always used some flavor of M1 in my truck since I bought it new in 2007, and it's seemed to work very well (currently the truck has 0W-40) over its current 290,000+ miles. I'm thinking about using Honda OEM filters at least while it's on factory warranty.

Washed it once so far (2-bucket method, Meguiar's Gold Class, Griot's Garage 3-In-1 Ceramic Spray Wax).View attachment 213923View attachment 213924View attachment 213925View attachment 213926
Good call on the muzzle.

We just sold our 15 ody.
Drive nice, great mpgs, but man it was becoming a parts queen.

Enjoy.
 
We picked up the wife's new 2024 Odyssey (Touring trim) on March 26, and just getting the chance to post up about it.

We've really, actually needed a van for years, having a 3-yr-old, 2-yr-old, and 1-yr-old.

Back in December 2020, the wife had her 2018 Civic hatchback 1.5T 6MT, which we loved, and had driven around Appalachia for our honeymoon, but someone rear-ended her and totaled it, and, with her expecting our first child at that time, she decided on a new 4Runner, and it served us well for 3 years. I'd been hinting at a van for a couple of years, but she loved her 4Runner and never liked minivans.

But, a couple of months ago, we learned that we'll be having a new baby around October 2024 timeframe, so she was like, "We're gonna have to get a van, aren't we." I said, "Yep."

We actually decided on this vehicle sight-unseen, never having driven or ridden in one, just from reading about it and doing research online, YouTube, etc.

She asked me what we'd get (she likes cars, but doesn't nerd out on them like I do), and I already knew that the Odyssey was the only choice for us, due to the sweet J35 and Honda-built 10-speed automatic combo.

Really, it was the only choice, given the other options on the market (Sienna's hybrid-CVT powertrain and inability to remove 2nd row seats ruled it out, and I've never been a Chrysler guy or a Korean car guy).

From the reviews I'd watched and read, everyone said that the Odyssey rode and drove extremely well, and in the short time we've owned it, I have found that to be the case. I find the acceleration to be more than adequate. At sub-7 seconds 0-60, it's much quicker than the 4Runner, and matches some sports sedans from just a few years ago! And the engine has a great growl to it when you rev it up (redline is almost 7000 RPM)!

Handling and steering is also very nice. At 4500 lbs unloaded, you can definitely feel some weight behind you, but it's not obnoxious or anything. We have some curvy, hilly country roads around us, and I've set the transmission to "SPORT" mode, and it's quite fun! Definitely not going to match the pace I could set in my old WRX or anything, but respectable! SPORT mode programming does a great job holding a gear out in the curves, and it even has paddle shifters if you want to completely control the shifting yourself.

We went with the Touring primarily for the rear-seat entertainment system. We don't let our kids have phones, and we don't own iPads, and we're delaying that as long as possible, however, we don't mind them watching some TV, and they enjoy it. Having some of the luxury features, like leather interior, moonroof, heated/power seats, auto climate control, etc. sort of softens the blow of the wife having to get rid of her beloved 4Runner, also.

Ride is actually really good, even with the 19" wheels that the Touring comes with. I'd say it's an ideal compromise between good handling (for a large vehicle) and compliance.

So far, everything seems to be of very good quality and fit & finish. Of course, I realize that this is a far more complex vehicle than my 2007 Tacoma, or the wife's old 2021 4Runner, and won't be as reliable over time (complexity = increased maintenance requirements). But we considered it and decided that the compromise was worth it to us for the increased convenience, utility, and economy. Even with the 280-HP V6, this is capable of matching the highway fuel economy of my old 2016 4-cyl WRX, which is impressive ( I usually got about 27 MPG highway in that car).

One thing that my wife has commented on is the convenience of the "magic slide" middle row seats that the Odyssey has. It's a lifesaver with one kid who's still not able to climb into her seat by herself, and another coming later this year. Right now we have the 1-yr-old in one of the middle seats, so we can put her in her seat and then slide it over in order to make room for one of the other kids to climb into the back row and get into their seat. Then there's room to assist them in buckling up. And then we just slide that middle row seat back to the outboard position (we have the middle seat of the 2nd row removed). It is really nice.

So far, we're really enjoying it, and I think the wife is warming up to it after seeing how much more convenient it is.

So far we've taken 1 road trip in it (to Memphis and back for Easter), and I really enjoyed driving it. Very comfortable seat, though it doesn't have the leg room that my Tacoma or the 4Runner had (I'm 6'2"), but definitely not unbearable. And that's my only (minor) gripe with the car. The passing power of that engine is really nice, and, again, it sounds great. Very quiet interior, also, despite the fact that only the windshield is acoustic glass (the Elite trim level, which is about 5 grand more, adds acoustic glass all the way around).

I went back and forth a bit in my mind about muzzling the VCM (variable cylinder management) system. A lot of folks decide not to muzzle them on this 3rd gen VCM system, as they say that they don't have near the problems with oil burning caused by 3 of the cylinders shutting down during partial load that the older iterations of VCM had. There's also the theory that most of the oil burning problems/ring coking is due to infrequent oil changes by unscrupulous owners, and that those who tend to be more conscientious about oil changes and maintenance in general don't tend to have issues. And that theory sounds very reasonable to me.

But, in the end, after considering it and doing the research, I could see little benefit to leaving it enabled, and decided not to take the chance, so I ordered and received an S-VCM muzzler, and will be installing it in the next couple of days.

Still on factory fill oil right now, and not in any big hurry to change it. I'll probably go with whatever name-brand 5W-30 or 10W-30 I can get a deal on. I'm not concerned with using just one type of oil in it, though I've always used some flavor of M1 in my truck since I bought it new in 2007, and it's seemed to work very well (currently the truck has 0W-40) over its current 290,000+ miles. I'm thinking about using Honda OEM filters at least while it's on factory warranty.

Washed it once so far (2-bucket method, Meguiar's Gold Class, Griot's Garage 3-In-1 Ceramic Spray Wax).View attachment 213923View attachment 213924View attachment 213925View attachment 213926
Oh ya
Change the ATF very frequently.
Like 30k tops.
 
Eh, that would be like almost every year for us with all our highway driving.

I may change it at 60K.
Trust me.
Your van will destroy that crappy OEM fluid in short order.
Especially if it's always full of people.

30k tops if you want it to last a long time.
 
I'm just about to finish my business law class and we talked about MM quite a bit. The FTC does address aftermarket parts that are not intended to be replacement parts for an original part and tuning.

"The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act says the manufacturer cannot force you to use their parts but they also do not have to pay for warranty repairs caused by someone else’s part. Or, if your part caused something else to fail. Like if you put a monster turbo on your car which did not come with a turbocharger in the first place. The Federal Trade Commission addresses these things as well:


So, if your hopped up car’s radio stopped working, the manufacturer would have to pick up the repair so long as there was no connection between the turbo installation and the radio operation. BUT, if your turbocharged engine now put too much power to the transmission and the transmission failed, then they could deny the coverage on that repair.

People often say they have been told that if they modify their car, their entire warranty will be voided. That is never the case. But the warranty on a particular part or system damaged by your modification might be denied."

Think of all the parts that can be added to a vehicle for which there was no original part. Ex. Winches, additional lights, additional stereo components, skid plates, etc. Is there some additional risk? Sure, but I think MM would still cover a muzzler and if say the transmission blew they'd have to prove the muzzler was the proximal cause.


https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...ll-aftermarket-parts-will-void-your-warranty/
Landscape has changed a bit in recent years. Multiple mfg tech lines are now asking for photos of the vehicle configuration, scan reports and any evidence of modification that may identify misuse before approving warranty claims on restricted components. Even oil change history.
 
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