Electric Jeep cancelled.

[4wd]

I just watched the Savagegeese video on the 2026 Ram 1500 and it reinforced my opinion that Jeep and Ram are two of the saddest brands around, not because they're terrible, but because they do soooooo many things really well but because they've been passed around to owners who have been terrible at managing the brands, enough things wrong to make me not consider the brands.

NOTHING out there I’d trade for my trouble free JEEP Rubicon that would leave most watching YouTube - I’d bring the 1-1/2” Ribeyes for after oysters c’mon - you ride with me …
Texas Mesquite on our Angus will build memories - especially if cooked at the end of a 20 mile long peninsula that eliminates the Subaru’s …?

 

[OVERKILL]

Let me rephrase, I read they were ditching plans for the EV and basically what was already mentioned in the article linked. Can I testify what I read/ heard is true? No, but it makes sense.

The linked article only mentions PHEV's though and specifically says they will continue to offer the full-EV Wagoneer S and the upcoming Recon:
A Jeep spokeswoman said the brand will continue to offer all-electric SUVs such as the Wagoneer S and Recon, which was officially revealed late last year.

The market they're catering to doesn't want an EV, and their PHEV isn't anything to write home about. They have a chance with this administration to clean up with trucks powered by V8 engines. They should spend more money improving upon the Hemi, and the Hurricane I6 while the getting is good.

That may be true, we'll see what happens with Wagoneer S and Recon sales I guess.

 

[demarpaint]

The linked article only mentions PHEV's though and specifically says they will continue to offer the full-EV Wagoneer S and the upcoming Recon:
A Jeep spokeswoman said the brand will continue to offer all-electric SUVs such as the Wagoneer S and Recon, which was officially revealed late last year.

That may be true, we'll see what happens with Wagoneer S and Recon sales I guess.

As you said we'll see. My bet is their sales aren't going to be anything to write home about and ICE will continue to be their money maker. Things can flip in a few years but for now the smart money is on ICE for most if not all of the legacy automakers. One look at how well GM did this year seems to back that up.

 

[OVERKILL]

As you said we'll see. My bet is their sales aren't going to be anything to write home about and ICE will continue to be their money maker. Things can flip in a few years but for now the smart money is on ICE for most if not all of the legacy automakers. One look at how well GM did this year seems to back that up.

Yeah, apparently they can't even get HEMI's for the Grand Cherokee's right now because all production is being sent to the RAM 1500's because demand is so high. The Hurricane may in fact be a great engine, but people want the HEMI.

 

[demarpaint]

Yeah, apparently they can't even get HEMI's for the Grand Cherokee's right now because all production is being sent to the RAM 1500's because demand is so high. The Hurricane may in fact be a great engine, but people want the HEMI.

+1 They could probably rework/update the HEMI and make one powerhouse of an engine out of it, and really boost sales. We can dream right?

I have high hopes for the I6 Hurricane finding its way into the Wrangler as an option. Those would sell too, maybe in the next generation of the Wrangler we could see it. As it stands now the I4 turbo is a pass for me, [hide].

 

[OVERKILL]

+1 They could probably rework/update the HEMI and make one powerhouse of an engine out of it, and really boost sales. We can dream right?

I have high hopes for the I6 Hurricane finding its way into the Wrangler as an option. Those would sell too, maybe in the next generation of the Wrangler we could see it. As it stands now the I4 turbo is a pass for me, [hide].

The new TRX is 777HP and there are rumours of a 1,000HP Durango.

 

[IveBeenRued]

What’s a quite stop sale?

Haha. A misspelling of quiet. I was using voice to text.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/jeep-...ids-from-web-site-as-quiet-stop-sale-drags-on

 

[Panda87]

Haha. A misspelling of quiet. I was using voice to text.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/jeep-...ids-from-web-site-as-quiet-stop-sale-drags-on

Ah, sorry I misunderstood.
I’m on heavy medications and recovering from extensive shoulder surgery. I should have figured that out without explanation.

 

[demarpaint]

The new TRX is 777HP and there are rumours of a 1,000HP Durango.

They should sell well.

 

[OVERKILL]

They should sell well.

Unicorns, priced accordingly I expect, but yeah, my dealer never sat on a TRX, they were usually sold before they even got to the lot, same goes for basically any of the SRT's actually, there's a market.

 

[buster]

what is a "shadow tanker scheme?"

Check out "OriginalHuman" on YT. 2 days ago.

 

[Snagglefoot]

When Darren Woods, the CEO of Exxon Mobil says Venezuela is "uninvestable" he should be listened to. WTI Oil is trading at less than $60 US. Venezuelan Crude trades for less than this. Exxon took a pounding on their upstream crude profits this year. You will see that when the yearly results are out. WTI was $50 twenty years ago. Putting 100's of billion dollars into Venezuela to retrieve $60 oil is a non starter.

 

[Prison_Mike]

It's going to be interesting to see what is going to happen to the price of gas over time with this whole Venezuelan deal. My guess is it's going to be coming down. The only question is how much?

And with the extra added refining capacity we are now in control of over there, that is another positive. None of this is going to make EV's look any more appealing.

I'd wager about as quick as it came down after the election. I live in the rural Midwest and we've seen a fluctuation of maybe 30 cents at most in the last year. Certainly not making any difference to anyone's pocketbook here. Also, isn't Venezuela's oil really poor quality? Do we have the refinery setup to deal with it in the first place?

 

[Snagglefoot]

I'd wager about as quick as it came down after the election. I live in the rural Midwest and we've seen a fluctuation of maybe 30 cents at most in the last year. Certainly not making any difference to anyone's pocketbook here. Also, isn't Venezuela's oil really poor quality? Do we have the refinery setup to deal with it in the first place?

Yes, you do have refineries set up for this. It’s been common for many years.

 

[billt460]

I'd wager about as quick as it came down after the election. I live in the rural Midwest and we've seen a fluctuation of maybe 30 cents at most in the last year. Certainly not making any difference to anyone's pocketbook here. Also, isn't Venezuela's oil really poor quality? Do we have the refinery setup to deal with it in the first place?

It's not about the "quality" of the oil. It's about keeping our adversaries hands off of it. And in the process, out of our hemisphere. Venezuela has more oil than the Saudi's.

 

[OFFRD]

+1 They could probably rework/update the HEMI and make one powerhouse of an engine out of it, and really boost sales. We can dream right?

I have high hopes for the I6 Hurricane finding its way into the Wrangler as an option. Those would sell too, maybe in the next generation of the Wrangler we could see it. As it stands now the I4 turbo is a pass for me, [hide].

They could, and should, be fast-tracking the next gen Hemi engines. They could get them to market a year after GM's new V8s hit in 2027. It would be wonderful, and they would sell like hotcakes. But, alas, Stellantis is not known for making bright decisions.

Truth is though, if I was buying a new 1/2 ton full size truck today, the Ram with the Hemi would be the one. It is hands down the most reliable powertrain on the market right now....and that's a sad truth.

 

[Torrid]

They could, and should, be fast-tracking the next gen Hemi engines. They could get them to market a year after GM's new V8s hit in 2027. It would be wonderful, and they would sell like hotcakes. But, alas, Stellantis is not known for making bright decisions.

Truth is though, if I was buying a new 1/2 ton full size truck today, the Ram with the Hemi would be the one. It is hands down the most reliable powertrain on the market right now....and that's a sad truth.

Hard to disagree with that right now. It used to be GM, then they started the displacement on demand stuff. Ford added stop start to the 5.0 and some other fuel management and they fell about reliability wise. Coming from GM LSs and then the release of the early Coyote I was a bit spoiled. So many engines seem like complete junk compared to their predecessors even if they are a bit more efficient.

 

[OVERKILL]

Hard to disagree with that right now. It used to be GM, then they started the displacement on demand stuff. Ford added stop start to the 5.0 and some other fuel management and they fell about reliability wise. Coming from GM LSs and then the release of the early Coyote I was a bit spoiled. So many engines seem like complete junk compared to their predecessors even if they are a bit more efficient.

The other problem is the shared 10spd transmission those two are using, while RAM just soldiers on with the ZF 8HP.

 

[demarpaint]

They could, and should, be fast-tracking the next gen Hemi engines. They could get them to market a year after GM's new V8s hit in 2027. It would be wonderful, and they would sell like hotcakes. But, alas, Stellantis is not known for making bright decisions.

Truth is though, if I was buying a new 1/2 ton full size truck today, the Ram with the Hemi would be the one. It is hands down the most reliable powertrain on the market right now....and that's a sad truth.

I agree with everything you stated.

 

[Arc]

No it's due to power being cut in an accident. China is also looking at mandatory mechanical connection on doors.

They also need to look at the brake light issue. I almost hit a Tesla the other day because they slow down so fast without hitting the brake pedal.