Effects of bass vibrations on overall vehicle integrity?

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Is there any documented or otherwise personal cases of the effects of excessive bass vibrations on the vehicle? Of course, aftermarket subwoofers/speakers are required. I am talking about the kind of frequency/volume to the point that it will actually cause doors/windows to "flex".
Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGBzmlDYEyo
What about effects on internal engine components?
 
Thought I was posting this it automotive general, but I supposed automotive electrical works, too.
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We had a young kid at work who was given his dads really mice T100 pickup. He proceeded to install a big thumping stereo and all that. I know for a fact it rattled the rivets out of the rear windows. It really did damage when the kid decided to buy a new head unit instead of fix the radiator leak and blew a head gasket.
 
Originally Posted By: vwmaniaman
Future Belltone customers/

You read my mind. The ear drums will go before anything on the car.
 
Love it when I pull up along side some youngster with the bass so loud it is distorted. Look over and they have ear plugs in. Safety first.
 
Originally Posted By: Bud
Love it when I pull up along side some youngster with the bass so loud it is distorted. Look over and they have ear plugs in. Safety first.

Saw a local news story about a car audio club in the area that liked to drive around in a little convoy late at night with their systems up.
The reporter had a very good question for one of the goofs..."WHY do you do this?"
The answer..."I want EVERYBODY to hear MY music."
What a useless waste of space!!!
 
Two things you get over when you are older:

Burning Rubber "spinnin is winnin .. duh!"


And playing stereo loud and tuning up the bass.



At some point I hope some youngsters come to admire a middle range that is lithe and drenched in caramel technicolour timber. Not just Boom Tizz.
 
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Strangely enough, vehicles are engineered to endure vibrations with much greater intensity and much wider frequency range than what any car stereo can produce. I myself drove my truck over a dirt road the other day that was all washboardy and riddled with potholes. Believe it or not, the truck survived just fine. On the other hand, I recently saw a car that was so rusted out it looked like the first bump should cause it to completely fall apart.

I hate obnoxious car stereo systems as much as the next guy, but let's keep some common sense here.
 
Originally Posted By: AlaskaMike
Strangely enough, vehicles are engineered to endure vibrations with much greater intensity and much wider frequency range than what any car stereo can produce. I myself drove my truck over a dirt road the other day that was all washboardy and riddled with potholes. Believe it or not, the truck survived just fine. On the other hand, I recently saw a car that was so rusted out it looked like the first bump should cause it to completely fall apart.

I hate obnoxious car stereo systems as much as the next guy, but let's keep some common sense here.

Did you even view the video I linked, or countless other similar videos?

And I'm not expecting to play a song or two and have the car turn to rubble on the spot. I'm expecting issues of bolts loosening or weakening over time, other components weakening, trims/gaskets coming loose.
 
As a 65 yr old guy i still like good tight bass in my music, but this [censored] of rattling the doors and windows is just STUPID! back in the 70/80's when car stereos really took off loved going to the local sound offs as they played some really good music with some tight bass and slick mids and highs, nowdays it's all rap [censored] with it's distortion and clipping, nah i'll Pass.
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Originally Posted By: Walmill
Originally Posted By: AlaskaMike
Strangely enough, vehicles are engineered to endure vibrations with much greater intensity and much wider frequency range than what any car stereo can produce. I myself drove my truck over a dirt road the other day that was all washboardy and riddled with potholes. Believe it or not, the truck survived just fine. On the other hand, I recently saw a car that was so rusted out it looked like the first bump should cause it to completely fall apart.

I hate obnoxious car stereo systems as much as the next guy, but let's keep some common sense here.

Did you even view the video I linked, or countless other similar videos?

And I'm not expecting to play a song or two and have the car turn to rubble on the spot. I'm expecting issues of bolts loosening or weakening over time, other components weakening, trims/gaskets coming loose.

I think alot of the crazy flexing was either a video tweak and/or the sound getting near the camera frame frequency, like plane props spinning backwards, but sure even moderately extreme bass that doesn't turn you door frame into virtual jello will wear on interiors and trim. Probably no worse than driving on alot of washboard fast though.
 
Originally Posted By: Walmill
Originally Posted By: AlaskaMike
Strangely enough, vehicles are engineered to endure vibrations with much greater intensity and much wider frequency range than what any car stereo can produce. I myself drove my truck over a dirt road the other day that was all washboardy and riddled with potholes. Believe it or not, the truck survived just fine. On the other hand, I recently saw a car that was so rusted out it looked like the first bump should cause it to completely fall apart.

I hate obnoxious car stereo systems as much as the next guy, but let's keep some common sense here.

Did you even view the video I linked, or countless other similar videos?

And I'm not expecting to play a song or two and have the car turn to rubble on the spot. I'm expecting issues of bolts loosening or weakening over time, other components weakening, trims/gaskets coming loose.


Did you even read or understand my post?

What I was trying to get across is that normal road bumps can easily exceed the stresses capable from even the most obnoxious stereo system.
 
from the 140-152db range, it's pretty easy to reinforce the vehicle enough that it's a non issue. Louder than that, all bets are off. But for the most part, that wouldn't be your daily driver anyway

You'll be dealing with cracks in the sheet metal, particularly where there are corners. Need to weld those up periodically. Can end up with holes in the floorboard, but again, weld those up periodically. Biggest issue is the door strikers / latches. Once those crack, you need to weld a thicker piece of steel there and it shouldn't give you issues again.

Don't really have to worry about windows breaking until you're into the 160s.

About the only vibrational mechanical issues I've seen from stereo stuff are sometimes the brake lines coming off the master cylinder will fatigue if there's too much firewall flex. Aside from that, most of the issues are from weight. You'll quite literally double the rolling mass of a vehicle with all the equipment you put in it. Go through brakes and wheel bearings like candy.

tl;dr, issues are primarily cosmetic sheet steel. Structural items like the frame are OK.
 
Originally Posted By: AlaskaMike
normal road bumps can easily exceed the stresses capable from even the most obnoxious stereo system.


Going to have to politely tell you, you're wrong.
 
I stiffened up my car to the point the Viagra company calls me when they get in trouble. I try not to buy boom box or shaggin wagon vehicles if possible.
 
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Did you even read or understand my post?

What I was trying to get across is that normal road bumps can easily exceed the stresses capable from even the most obnoxious stereo system.
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Absolutely not.

A normal automobile travelling any road it's actually capable of driving on will have large amounts of subsonic noise generated. We don't hear that low but do feel such noise through our bodies skin, bones, and via atmospheric pressure senses, some of which are in the ear canal (also the eyes; we have no nerves in our eyes so no pain but that doesn't mean the brain doesn't notice).

However anyone who has ever put a Sound Pressure meter in a moving vehicle will tell you that "large amounts" does not mean even long term hearing damage levels around 90 dB or a bit higher. More like 60 dB, perfectly safe for anyone to experience for extremely long term continuous exposure. Like years, and nobody lives in their vehicle like that (we park them sometimes).

A high powered car stereo, even just rather ordinary examples, will be capable of SPLs at both audible and subsonic frequencies well above 90dB, some up to short-term damage levels (above 105dB) and beyond, while "Competition Level" systems have been known to exceed 140dB by significant margins (exposure limits measured in minutes, not hours).

Now, if you are referring to mechanical stresses (bending, heat generation, stress cracking) in the vehicle suspension and body, they are (obviously) large but that's what suspensions are for and the OEM designs suspensions to handle the expected loads and stresses. That is going to be less than the pressure stresses within the cabin (windows, door and trunk seals, etc) from low frequency audio systems operated at high level.
 
the only thing will be electrical such ad battery.

Yes perhaps academically theres a difference but in practice its a non issue. Like it makes a 10min difference in the vehicles lifespan.

The results from the different human behavior far far outweigh it. e.g. occupants can't hear or is a distraction to other drivers so get into an fender bender.
 
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