quote:Bror, you make some valid points but I have to disagree somewhat. Yes, Mobil has it's weaknesses and it is the barrier additives. It has low HT/HS relative to other oils and for $5qt, you can only do so much although Schaeffer's dollar for dollar is better. Where I think your wrong is the recent UOA's of SS have shown it to be as good as any. Where does it not show to be as good as Amsoil or Redline? We have seen enough UOA's of Amsoil and Mobil 1 to really say Amsoil is not better. As far as the Civic piston slap goes, I stared noticing the same thing around 80k miles in a Corolla that used mostly Trisynthetic for most of it's life. It's possible that is was the cause but I really doubt it. It's just the nature of the engines I think. IMO, M1 has already proven to be as good as the so called "best synthtics". 3MP's study should interesting.
and SuperSyn, while providing some really good UOAs, is not providing the absolute BEST (elite) results from all the oils tested to date (here).
quote:Patman just listed two of Redline and Schaeffer's that are excellent. I don't see any for Amsoil. Two reports doesn't really say much to me though. I do remember a SS report in a Turbo with iron only around 7 at 4k miles. Thats pretty **** good. You can't say it's not as good as the elite anymore IMO. There are too many inconsistant UOAs' from Amsoil. What about this one: http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000434 [ June 07, 2003, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: buster ]
Can you find me an analysis using M1 SuperSyn which has every wear value at 0, 1 or 2 PPM? I can't remember seeing one ... one with at least 4,000 miles on it.
quote:Thats fine, I just wasn't sure what specifically you meant my "elite". I'd be on board with you if we had more UOA's like the one's Patman posted. I know I come across as pro Mobil 1, but I really don't think it is the end all, be all oil. I do think it is one of the best and gets too much criticism. [ June 07, 2003, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
I'm not saying that SuperSyn doesn't provide consistently good or even excellent results. It just doesn't seem to be able to churn out the trophy runs which look almost like a VOA. Those were the "elite" samples I was referring to.
quote:I'm not so sure that Mobil 1 gets criticized more than any other oil for which people have high expectations. Amsoil also gets routinely criticized on this board, and it appears to be an even better oil than Mobil 1. I think when expectations are high and the results don't come out blue chip each and every time, the criticisms will follow, fair or unfair. I use Valvoline Synpower and I have noticed that this oil gets labeled as an inferior synthetic and yet most of the UOA's of it have been very good, so go figure. I guess people will always have their biases. Whether Synpower is actually worse than Mobil 1, I don't know. In theory it should be because it is group III, but I haven't seen a bad Synpower analysis yet (granted there aren't that many), and the wear values, at least in VW engines, seem to be every bit as good as Mobil 1. I know that before I came to this board, I was pretty much going to use Mobil 1 in all our vehicles because just about every car junkie I knew had already annointed it as "the best." I guess in some ways, Mobil 1 gets unfair praise as well. [ June 08, 2003, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: VeeDubb ]
Thats fine, I just wasn't sure what specifically you meant my "elite". I'd be on board with you if we had more UOA's like the one's Patman posted. I know I come across as pro Mobil 1, but I really don't think it is the end all, be all oil. I do think it is one of the best and gets too much criticism.
quote:Leo, Use either Redline or the cheaper Motul 300v, both ester based oils. Both available here in Oz.
Originally posted by Leo: Bror Jace, is the 'deficient' Tri-Syn only apply to the SJ formula? Cos we only have access to the SL Tri-Syn in Australia, and the SS will not come here any time soon. You're scaring me a bit, cos my car is a 300hp 2.0L Turbo (modified) and i want the best protection (at a reasonable price) you can get!!