Does Magnatec do what all oils do?
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Good to know!
I considered his "tuned eco-boost" question above my pay grade and referred him to his owner's manual.
I know enough about oil to be dangerous. lol
Wasn't sure if there is a better ACEA or Ford spec oil for his engine or not.
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He said in post #26: "Yeah I stupidly stocked up on Magnatec in 2019 when I got a new car ..."
Even if the car was bought new in 2019, the OM won't specify SP because SP wasn't even out then ... it probably specifies SN+, or the Motorcraft oil spec that equates to SN+.
*So , what about running 4 qrts. Supertech Synthetic + 1 qrt. Magnatec in a 5 qrt. sump or even up the Magnatec to 2 qrts. and get the best of both worlds ?
I don't think the owner's manual recommends aftermarket tuning so that ship has sailed. But if we ignore that and just look at oil specs...it's still tricky.
Which model year owner's manual for the same engine do you go by?
On the one hand there is the manual for the model year vehicle I own, which is SN+. But the same engine in an older model year is only SN, so SN should be good right? But also, the newest model years, of the same engine, now spec SP.
What does it tell us that the moment SP became officially available, manuals were changed to require SP?
The question applies equally to two 'high output' EcoBoost engines, one in a model year 2019 and the other in a model year 2020.
In both cases the manual for my model year specs SN+, as that's all that was available at the time, HOWEVER, the current owner's manual for the exact same engine in the 2021 model year, specs API SP.
And of course SP was pretty much created and tested, seemingly, with heavy Ford involvement and literally EcoBoost test engine(s) for known issues with TGDI engines like the Ecos.
If the owner's manual is gospel, I am supposed to let my OLM run its course to 10,000 mile oil changes on Motorcraft oil and filter...that's what's best for the engine and there's no reason to do anything beyond that...? Yeah I don't think so
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That's becaue SP superceded SN+ and was out before the 2021 manual was released ... no other reason. If SP never came out, that same engine in 2021 would specify SN+.
Yes, it would
And if these engines had never come out I'd be happy with our old version that took probably 4 seconds longer to go 0-60, but, thankfully, our products make progress and do the job better...
That's okay, I have a plan. My dad has a 2020 that specs SN Plus that is and will remain stock, whenever it's here I'll put some Magnatec in it (oil pan and/or just put it in the back and when he finds it later be like oh yeah, put that in there next time)
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There's always the option of throwing displacement at it. The TRX and Trackhawk are both port injected monsters.
I feel your pain. lol
I have one car that I try to go above and beyond the manufacturer spec and the rest of the cars are treated with "oil is oil " mentality and I experiment with ... well, kind of, as long as the oils are on the better side of oil is oil.
Most likely it's all in my head but I'm aware my OCDs.
When in doubt, use thicker oil and change frequently!
Within reasonable limits, it would be hard to go wrong with that philosophy.When in doubt, use thicker oil and change frequently!
See now in my OCD-ness I'm also sitting on some Castrol Euro formula A3/B4 0w40 but it's only SN...and I have a 5* tune so technically I have warranty coverage from them (bought their warranty with tune, it was brand new truck) but only if Ford denies factory warranty 'because of the tune', if I were to somehow lose warranty for wrong oil I'd be SOL.I feel your pain. lol
I have one car that I try to go above and beyond the manufacturer spec and the rest of the cars are treated with "oil is oil " mentality and I experiment with ... well, kind of, as long as the oils are on the better side of oil is oil.
Most likely it's all in my head but I'm aware my OCDs.
When in doubt, use thicker oil and change frequently!
First world OCD problems
I recently got some Castrol Euro 0W40 a3/b4 SN. I would have bought either but store was out of M1 Euro 0W40. Pretty impressive approval list (MB, Porsche, VW, etc.) for the price!
No disrespect to API but when I see ACEA a3/b4 and that approval list, I don't pay attention to anything else.
Apologies on being late in the responses.
Engine feel, engine responsiveness, noise level.
No scientific testing, if that's what you're getting at...
I am very happy I was able to come back and check replies..
And you addresses my very next question.. was going to be, "Wait, so an additive can be of a different Base Stock?"
Yes, I have been BLOWN AWAY by the performance of Redline oils (I understand some on here hate that oil as much as Royal Purple. Hey. That's not the purpose of this thread.) And that it was Group V. And that Group V.. clings as well.
I'm thinking about giving it a try.. I WOULD give M1 a try (0W-30) but that's $25... I can get oil in the store for $14.. Magnatec is I think in the middle... cost less than I thought. Closer to the $14 than $25..
My Redline purchases average about $11-$12 a quart, since a part of me just *has* to buck the trend with oil.. cars in the sig, I have liberty on two of them..
So this is excellent info.
Thank you!
No worries.
Whether it’s called a base or an add is almost a matter of semantics, what’s really most important is it’s chemistry and how it supports the mechanical engineering of the engine. Yep Group V / esters / polar molecules have certain advantages over PAO and Group III.
If you run the Redline and the Magnatec back to back, please report in as I would be interested to hear your feedback of the two, even a buttdino view of the two.
(BTW, yes I know Group V is all “other stuff” and so it’s not exactly synonymous with esters or polar molecules, but merely includes them as a subset. )
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Same here, ACEA all the way.
I‘m lucky as in Australia we get a full synthetic Magnetic 5W30 which is rated A3/B4. I have some lined up in my stash from when it was on sale.
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You are doing it again... Getting distracted by all the wild and wonderful wizardry and losing track of the fact that you have far more pressing issues to attend to and limited means with which to do so. Did you manage to source the new air intake tract plumbing per your PM to me about what you had being held together by lipstick and bubble gum?
Listen, I'm all for experiments with expensive boutique products if they are in the budget. When I had that beater Focus I ran Redline 5w-30 in it because I bought all of it when Canadian tire was blowing it out and we wanted to see if it would have any impact on the heavy varnish that engine had. I made a thread on here about it. But that's oil I already had on-hand, I didn't go out and buy $100 worth of oil to put in a $500 car.
Focus man, FOCUS!
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