Cylinder deactivation?

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What is wrong with cylinder deactivation. I have yet to owned a car with it but in the 2021 F150 Coyote change threads, many people dont like that change. Why? The only problem I hear is Hemi engines cam wiping out. My brothers 2019 Ram has it and I cant tell when it's doing it.

There are a variety of implementations and a variety of side effects that occur with the different designs.

Some side effects are

altered combustion frequencies when diff cylinders fire resulting in shuddering and shaking
altered or bled off pressures to activate the systems that can result in partial starvation elsehwere
oil vacuum in dead holes resulting in both consumption issues then oil fouled plugs misfiring when reactivated
thermal issues with various configs running hot in areas and cold in others - fewer cylinders must work harder than all combined
trans calibration mismatches unde partial load resulting in surging confused shifting
accelerated motor mount wear from altered frequencies
expensive active motor mounts built to cancel out enhanced vibration

all in - its a tricky technology to master.


Im pretty pleased with the late Honda 2 mode VCM, but realize it was rough getting here.
The idea of wiring in a cheap resistor to fool the coolant logic to defeat it at this stage to me is utterly silly, but I understand prior hacks.
 
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You'd think the deactivation of a cylinder or 2 wouldn't be much different than that of an hybrid . The '07 Prius we had wasn't that noticeable .

Its substantively different.

one is altering working displacement in an ICE in real time.

The other is balancing/ clutching/ two separate distinct power sources.

Both took a while to tune - if you read early hybrid reports there were complaints about the tunes.
 
Its substantively different.

one is altering working displacement in an ICE in real time.

The other is balancing/ clutching/ two separate distinct power sources.

Both took a while to tune - if you read early hybrid reports there were complaints about the tunes.
Got one of those too … Fusion is past 130k and so far so good.
Not to say on a risk meter it’s not in the yellow … we’ll see.
 
Got one of those too … Fusion is past 130k and so far so good.
Not to say on a risk meter it’s not in the yellow … we’ll see.
Me too, a first gen RX400H.

It's not perfect- but its surprisingly good with just a few weak spots in the tune.
 
Who is the car pro?
Radio show … he owned dealerships for many years …
Folks call in for advice on what fits their needs … makes financial sense … and he’s got dealer networks he recommends down to who to talk to … Buy -vs- lease … He test drives over a hundred vehicles a year …
Sometimes he just says drive it longer …
 
Radio show … he owned dealerships for many years …
Folks call in for advice on what fits their needs … makes financial sense … and he’s got dealer networks he recommends down to who to talk to … Buy -vs- lease … He test drives over a hundred vehicles a year …
Sometimes he just says drive it longer …
Ill check it out.

Not surprised he makes recommendations on dealer networks down to the floor level. There is likely a lot in it for him.

What are your thoughts on the guy rated from 1-10?
 
You'd think the deactivation of a cylinder or 2 wouldn't be much different than that of an hybrid . The '07 Prius we had wasn't that noticeable .


I would suspect that 80% of the owners have no idea what their engine does. They just fill it with gas and drive. Occasionally they take the car to the quickie lube or the dealer for a oil change.

I wonder if larger engines don’t handle the cylinder deactivation as well as smaller engines? I don’t hear of many Mazda owners complaining about it which is interesting since the engine runs on two cylinders while at steady cruise speeds.
 
I would suspect that 80% of the owners have no idea what their engine does. They just fill it with gas and drive. Occasionally they take the car to the quickie lube or the dealer for a oil change.

I wonder if larger engines don’t handle the cylinder deactivation as well as smaller engines? I don’t hear of many Mazda owners complaining about it which is interesting since the engine runs on two cylinders while at steady cruise speeds.

It's all about the dampening. FCA now has active dampers on the frame rails of the DT trucks and it does a fantastic job of eliminating the rumble from the MDS activation.
 
I disable it every time I put my (work truck) 2018 Ram 5.7 into gear by using the +/- gear selector on the shift column. 6 cyl mode is not noticable, but 4 cyl mode has an annoying rumbling vibration. I would permanently turn off the 4 cyl mode if I could, and leave the 6 cyl mode on as it is transparent.

Hemi is either 4 or 8, there is no 6 mode
 
Ill check it out.

Not surprised he makes recommendations on dealer networks down to the floor level. There is likely a lot in it for him.

What are your thoughts on the guy rated from 1-10?
Yeah … he was head of national dealer networks a few times so he knows that angle of car business. He’s not a mechanic. I would give the show a 7 … they tend to not overstate knowledge and send you elsewhere if need be …
 
Personally I don't want to own a car with cylinder deactivation. Others have listed issues. I tend to keep my vehicles a long time and that technology is prone to issues which are not cheap nor easy to fix.

If you lease a vehicle for 3 years or continually change vehicles then this will not be a big issue for you.
 
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