Conti DWS06+ vs. Michelin PSAS4

I wonder when the Michelin Pilot Sport AS4 predecessor will come out?
Successor? The predecessor is the AS3, right?
The Tire Rack tested a bunch of the latest ultra high performance all-season tires last year. The Bridgestone beats the Conti and Michelin UHP all-season tires in winter performance but the Bridgestone doesn't keep up in dry and wet traction in comparison.

Conti tires are lighter but not as durable I'm assuming. Higher chance of a blowout hitting a pothole vs the Bridgestone, The Bridgestone has a seldom seen in a car tire 3 ply sidewall.

My wife's Audi was down late fall and I had summer tires on my VW. She got Bridgestone Potenza Sport AS from Costco.
I wanted the Pirelli P Zero Plus 3.
The one set of Contis I’ve had recently was indeed fairly soft and seemed light in construction.

Indiana potholes are not kind to most low profile rubber that is lightly built. I’ve lately been running Nokians with kevlar sidewalls, and they have been excellent. However, they don’t really offer any performance tires per se.
 
IMHO All Season tires arent any good.....ok at everything, but not great at anything. Go with a Summer/Winter setup and just swap tires with the season
 
IMHO All Season tires arent any good.....ok at everything, but not great at anything. Go with a Summer/Winter setup and just swap tires with the season
Obviously the most ideal way to go IF you have the money to invest in another set of wheels/tires or the space to store them. I used to always do this on the BMW I had. OE wheels wrapped in performance summer rubber, winters on steelies. Storage was the issue and had to end up moving whichever set was off the car in the garage from time to time. Then the semi-annual backache that followed changeover that took longer and longer to go away as I got older.

All of my cars now are not really considered performance vehicles and tire tech of a UHP all-season has advanced to the point that I would have a very difficult time overdriving them on public roadways. And, I don't have to worry about storing 3 sets of wheels/tires in the guest room which makes my wife happy 😁.
 
IMHO All Season tires arent any good.....ok at everything, but not great at anything. Go with a Summer/Winter setup and just swap tires with the season
This is wrong.

Spring and autumn exist in some places and UHP all seasons excell in these months when weather fluctuates day to day.

I run a summer/winter setup but the old "more like NO season tires" trope is ill-informed. They do have benefits and can be a smart choice depending on your driving and location.
 
IMHO All Season tires arent any good.....ok at everything, but not great at anything. Go with a Summer/Winter setup and just swap tires with the season
I think it depends on where you live.
If I ran summer tires (like I did in CA, when I lived there) I would have to run winter tires 2 to 2 1/2 months longer. Realistically, in CO, you can run tires like Pilot PS4S 3, maybe 4 months. UHP all season gives you half a year to maybe 7-8 months.
If I moved back to San Diego tomorrow, I would run PS4S or EC02, no doubt.
 
Lighter does not necessarily mean a better ride. Bridgestone makes some of the lightest tires, but they are known among folks as "stonebridges" for a reason.

DWS06+ is an exceptional performer. Wet and dry handling, braking is probably better than many true summer performance tires. But, subjectively, I think even older Pilot AS3+ is a better tire, and don't get me wrong, of the 9 tire sets in my garage, I always have one Continental set. I just put back Pilot AS3+ on my wife's Tiguan, this is their 5th year, and final one (they are made in 2019 but installed first time in 2020). They are stiffer than DWS06+, although on the Tiguan, they have more sidewall (BMW 225/40R18, Tiguan 255/50 R18). But they are stiff in a good way. They don't crash over bumps, potholes etc., like Bridgestone tends to do. They are stiff enough to provide exceptional turn, provide good feedback (and Tiguan has EPS) and you kind of always know what tire is doing, where it is.
DWS06+ has worse turn-in than Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 I use in winter, and those are 205/50R17. Bridgestone is mushier bcs. it is a true snow tire, but they turn quicker. DWS06+ simply does not have that razor turn that you expect from a UHP tire. They wear out well, their wet performance is exceptional after 3 years (will see whether they will do as well as my PSS did on VW CC, cutting through water like a razor with 3/32 thread left). But if I push tire enough to make them squel in the corner, they just don't provide good feedback on what exactly the vehicle is doing, and E90 has exceptional steering feedback, but DWS06+ simply undermines that.
 
I’m either getting dws or pro contacts when my Bridgestones wear out. I was ready to scrap my turanzas and lo and behold, it was wheel bearings. One side was obvious, the other just had a vibration, replaced it and I’m back on the Bridgestone happy train. My wife’s car has pure contacts and they’re fantastic. Quiet as any tire I’ve ever had, balanced perfectly and with 10k on them are still over 9/32nds. They just aren’t as sporty as I’d like. My Bridgestones are averaging about 11k per 32nd, so I’m on track to get 50k out of a low pro 19” tire. Assuming they don’t turn into Flintstone tires before.
 
This is why I'm so hesitant to get the DWS06+ for my E90. I'm not sure what would be a better UHP AS tire for the PNW though.
Its all relative @edyvw would put UHP AS on a Yugo :LOL:

DWS06+ should come with 30day trial warranty you can try them and if you dont like them move on.
 
Its all relative @edyvw would put UHP AS on a Yugo :LOL:

DWS06+ should come with 30day trial warranty you can try them and if you dont like them move on.
Just to add something. When I was doing hill climb with Yugo I was running Pilot and Sport Contact bcs. we did not have money for anything made specific for hill climb. 😂
 
Successor? The predecessor is the AS3, right?

The one set of Contis I’ve had recently was indeed fairly soft and seemed light in construction.

Indiana potholes are not kind to most low profile rubber that is lightly built. I’ve lately been running Nokians with kevlar sidewalls, and they have been excellent. However, they don’t really offer any performance tires per se.
I would think softer side wall would transmit less force into the suspension.
 
It does, but softer sidewall often can get compressed enough to give a pinch flat.

One thing I like about the Nokians is the combination of soft sidewall and physical toughness. They actually are warranted against pothole flats.
My experience with Nokian is limited to winter stuff. Last winter one from Nokian was R2 and that was awfully uncomfortable tire and this was 215/65 R16, with hefty sidewall. Hard, some weird noise coming from them that was resonating inside cabin.
DWS06 is not soft to experience pinch flat. Mine are XL actually, 245/40 R18. They are soft, but I am third season on them here where roads due to huge temperature swings go from bad to terrible in matter of days and stay that way.
 
This is why I'm so hesitant to get the DWS06+ for my E90. I'm not sure what would be a better UHP AS tire for the PNW though.
You need winter tires in a PNW winter regardless, which nullifies the DWS06+'s winter advantage over the AS4.

DWS06+'s only other advantage is NVH, which... fair enough. But AS4 wins otherwise, which seems like a much more relevant set of benefits for... really any car IMO, but especially an E90. That's not a car you buy to merely withstand your commute; you buy it because you understand on some level that good dynamics are important.

Regarding those tests that put other tires above these two... Maybe when all the tires are new. What about when they're low? AFAICT, Michelin almost always dominates at low tread depths, so they still win if you look at average performance over the life of the tire. I can't say for sure about Conti here but I'd bet on them over any of the others.

A friend of mine noticed that, for street tires, he has regretted every single time he strayed from Michelin – regardless of tire type or reviews. My experience has been similar thus far. DWS06+ was as close as any tire has ever come to being an exception – though, having run it and the AS4 in the same application, I'm now back to AS4 and not looking back.
 
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It might be my only choice. Currently have Pirelli P Zero AS+ and I love how athletic yet refined they are. The AS3+ successor seems to build on that further but aren't available in 225/45R17! Maybe it's an excuse to get new wheels...

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=334

Thats the size I need too and I was interested in the as3+ so I contacted pirelli last year to see if they'd be expanding the size offerings.

Never got a response but I did miss a phone call from Pirelli. They didn't leave a message. Weird way to do business.
 
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