Compare 2003 Ferrari 575 Maranello and 2000 550 Maranello

[pscholte]

AE....,

You are indeed building a solid case; however, even though I used to be a Shell Helix fanatic, I have come to believe that M1 is a better oil (especially the M1 0W-20 and maybe excepting the Shell 10W-60) and I would like to see the results of say M1 0W-40 and or ELF 5W-40 in his engine compared to the 0W-20 in yours. Do you have an ample reserve of the 0W-20 on hand since, as I understand it, it is no longer being produced?

on an excellent comparison!

 

[buster]

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Buster,

I think this stuff is pretty closely derived from the research outcomes of the on-scene Shell lab working real-time with Ferrari at the F1 tracks. It IS expensive...now is it suitable for street-driven vehicles?...that, I suspect, is another story.

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I'm sure it's top shelf quality, but do you really think it's a $75 oil? It reminds me of the little Coach purse my wife looked at while walking through the mall. $200. Quality is no better then another brand....but it's a COACH.

[ May 01, 2005, 01:04 AM: Message edited by: buster ]

 

[moribundman]

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Good, BMW had some problems with Nikasil over the years.

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I'd rather say the Nikasil had some problems with the sulfur content of US gasoline.

 

[yannis]

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I'm sure it's top shelf quality, but do you really think it's a $75 oil? It reminds me of the little Coach purse my wife looked at while walking through the mall. $200. Quality is no better then another brand....but it's a COACH.

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It's been discussed before. It is one of the most easily found oils around here and it costs 15$ as any other top 5W40 oil.

 

[Doug Hillary]

Hi,
Nickasil and Alusil has been use by BMW, Porsche and Daimler Benz for decades mostly trouble free too

And yes high sulphur fuels were not a greay assitance to durability
Many engines are now well over 1m miles without any problems when using this type of metallurgy

Regards
Doug

 

[TooSlick]

Dr Haas,

Based on these results, I think you must drive like my grandmother ...

It may be time for you to act your age and get that Ford "LTD" - ie, Large hunk of Trash from Detroit.

Ted

 

[AEHaas]

At a steady 90 MPH the oil still sits at 180 - 185 F. I just cannot heat it up. I can get a few degrees higher if I drive at 50 or 60 MPH in 1st gear. You can put the pedal to the metal and the car will rev up to 8 grand and just sit there. It is just sooo smooth you cannot believe it.

Burning rubber from a red light up to the speed limit does nothing to the engine. However, I do have a new set of sneakers ready to put on soon.

aehaas

 

[harrydog]

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Originally posted by G-Man II:

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Originally posted by AEHaas:
You can put the pedal to the metal and the car will rev up to 8 grand and just sit there. It is just sooo smooth you cannot believe it.

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I do hope you don't do that very often. I've heard that high RPM and no load is VERY hard on an engine.

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That doesn't sound like a no load situation.

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by AEHaas:
You can put the pedal to the metal and the car will rev up to 8 grand and just sit there. It is just sooo smooth you cannot believe it.

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I do hope you don't do that very often. I've heard that high RPM and no load is VERY hard on an engine.

 

[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by harrydog:

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Originally posted by G-Man II:

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Originally posted by AEHaas:
You can put the pedal to the metal and the car will rev up to 8 grand and just sit there. It is just sooo smooth you cannot believe it.

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I do hope you don't do that very often. I've heard that high RPM and no load is VERY hard on an engine.

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That doesn't sound like a no load situation.

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I took his comment about putting the pedal to the metal and having the engine "sit there" at 8 grand to mean he was doing that while sitting still. I've seen motorcycle riders do that that, but never a car.

If that Ferrari has an interference engine, all it would take is a valve to float a little and that would be the end of that engine.

 

[buster]

A friend of a friend watched a new Ferrari leave the dealer lot only to get slammed by a Ford F-150. Can you imagine the pain that guy must have felt? God that must suck.

 

[Cutehumor]

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Originally posted by buster:

A friend of a friend watched a new Ferrari leave the dealer lot only to get slammed by a Ford F-150. Can you imagine the pain that guy must have felt? God that must suck.

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if it was the F-150 fault, he didn't have enough coverage I bet

 

[Stinky Peterson]

That would cost you almost as much as hitting a John Deere combine!

I think the combine is about $300K.

 

[Santo Fontana]

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Originally posted by harrydog:

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Originally posted by G-Man II:

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Originally posted by AEHaas:
You can put the pedal to the metal and the car will rev up to 8 grand and just sit there. It is just sooo smooth you cannot believe it.

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I do hope you don't do that very often. I've heard that high RPM and no load is VERY hard on an engine.

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That doesn't sound like a no load situation.

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I took his comment about putting the pedal to the metal and having the engine "sit there" at 8 grand to mean he was doing that while sitting still. I've seen motorcycle riders do that that, but never a car.

If that Ferrari has an interference engine, all it would take is a valve to float a little and that would be the end of that engine.

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I think you might be surprised at the abuse engines can take, not to mention this is a ferrari, im willing to bet those valve springs are pretty **** strong/exotic, and they are not even close to floating at factory redline. it was designed for far worse/better

 

[NEPA_Z]

Does anyone else think that the different liner material and fuel make any oil conclusions suspect at best? And further, that if oil analysis really means anything, then both of these are pretty much crap compared to, say, a good-running Toyota?

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

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Originally posted by NEPA_Z:
... And further, that if oil analysis really means anything, then both of these are pretty much crap compared to, say, a good-running Toyota?

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I didn't know we had any UOA of any 5 to 6 liter V-12's, making over 500bhp, made by Toyota on here.

AEHaas' sample seems quite good aside from the Nickel. That is troublesome. Don't know what's up with that.

 

[Geoff]

I think Shell Rotella T Syn 5w-40 uses the same base stock and VI improvers as the Helix, so might be worth a research or trial as it is widely available.

 

[Geoff]

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Originally posted by AEHaas:
At a steady 90 MPH the oil still sits at 180 - 185 F. I just cannot heat it up. I can get a few degrees higher if I drive at 50 or 60 MPH in 1st gear. You can put the pedal to the metal and the car will rev up to 8 grand and just sit there. It is just sooo smooth you cannot believe it.

Burning rubber from a red light up to the speed limit does nothing to the engine. However, I do have a new set of sneakers ready to put on soon.

aehaas

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My guess is at 90 mph you are still using something less than 100 hp or so. No stress with such reserves of power. The trend is not linear, and the steep part of the power requirement might not be till 150 mph with the slim drag footprint.

My Land Rover, on the other hand, would be using about 60% of its power at that speed (and probably 85% at just 10 mph faster - 100mph), and the engine components would be working far closer to their maximum designed duty cycle.

Not sure what assumptions Ferrari is making with the 10w-60? Seems like overkill for most. I'd query the manufacturer.

 

[moribundman]

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If that Ferrari has an interference engine, all it would take is a valve to float a little and that would be the end of that engine.

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I'm not sure floating valves will necessarily cause the valves to kiss the pistons good-bye. My Audi's fairly heavy stock valves start floating around 6200 RPM, and despite the interference motor, no damage has yet occured.

 

[Mitch Alsup]

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Originally posted by AEHaas:
At a steady 90 MPH the oil still sits at 180 - 185 F. I just cannot heat it up. I can get a few degrees higher if I drive at 50 or 60 MPH in 1st gear. You can put the pedal to the metal and the car will rev up to 8 grand and just sit there. It is just sooo smooth you cannot believe it.

Burning rubber from a red light up to the speed limit does nothing to the engine. However, I do have a new set of sneakers ready to put on soon.

aehaas

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I find it takes a good 10 miles of running the Ferrari like it was on a race track* to get the temps up into the saturated high temp region (250+). And you simply cannot take a breather or the oil temps will drop like a rock. I can loose 50dF in a single 2.9 mile lap by dropping the car into 6th and doing a cool down lap (2:40 second lap compared to the 2:05 laps "in the heat of battle").

The cooling system in a Ferrari is designed for (ahem) race track use and/or sustained autobahn or autostraza use. I have monitored my oil temps and a sustained (== cruise) 120 mph at part throttle will result in an oil temp in the 175dF range. 70-90 MPH seems to be the point where the air draft of cool air and the (reletively) low power output of the engine (cruise) result in both the water and oil temps equal the thermostat set points.

Mitch

[*] in my case I actually do run it on the race track to find this data.