Chevrolet Impala owners file lawsuit against GM
- Thread starter Hokiefyd
- Start date
- Status
Originally Posted By: cchase
Glad to see this thread is right on track.......
LOL...no doubt...in under two pages we already have somebody dropping the Pinto into the discussion.
Whatever.
Glad to see this thread is right on track.......
LOL...no doubt...in under two pages we already have somebody dropping the Pinto into the discussion.
Whatever.
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: cchase
Glad to see this thread is right on track.......
LOL...no doubt...in under two pages we already have somebody dropping the Pinto into the discussion.
Whatever.
Yes indeedy. This simply cannot end well.
Originally Posted By: cchase
Glad to see this thread is right on track.......
LOL...no doubt...in under two pages we already have somebody dropping the Pinto into the discussion.
Whatever.
Yes indeedy. This simply cannot end well.
Originally Posted By: ms21043
Anyone have a picture of the Impala rear suspension? I'm not familiar with the term spindle rod, where is it located on the suspension? It affects camber apparently, so do the cars need some kind of camber kit like Mazda 3's?
If you Google image search for "impala spindle rod", the first image shows a long metal link with bushings on either end. Then if you Google image search for "impala rear suspension", you can see this "spindle rod" on the car in the first image. It looks to simply be a toe control link. Maybe the original spindle rods don't have the correct range of adjustment to get toe set correct.
Anyone have a picture of the Impala rear suspension? I'm not familiar with the term spindle rod, where is it located on the suspension? It affects camber apparently, so do the cars need some kind of camber kit like Mazda 3's?
If you Google image search for "impala spindle rod", the first image shows a long metal link with bushings on either end. Then if you Google image search for "impala rear suspension", you can see this "spindle rod" on the car in the first image. It looks to simply be a toe control link. Maybe the original spindle rods don't have the correct range of adjustment to get toe set correct.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Why do my parents still insist on buying General Motors.
I am guessing they are the kind of people that would call buying a Japanese car a horrible thing to do.
That took the financial incentive out of building a car well, leading to more bad cars.
Why do my parents still insist on buying General Motors.
I am guessing they are the kind of people that would call buying a Japanese car a horrible thing to do.
That took the financial incentive out of building a car well, leading to more bad cars.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Why do my parents still insist on buying General Motors.
I am guessing they are the kind of people that would call buying a Japanese car a horrible thing to do.
That took the financial incentive out of building a car well, leading to more bad cars.
Never have owned a foreign car in my life.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Why do my parents still insist on buying General Motors.
I am guessing they are the kind of people that would call buying a Japanese car a horrible thing to do.
That took the financial incentive out of building a car well, leading to more bad cars.
Never have owned a foreign car in my life.
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: cchase
Glad to see this thread is right on track.......
LOL...no doubt...in under two pages we already have somebody dropping the Pinto into the discussion.
Whatever.
Yes. ^^^
Oh well, at least we did not have one of them flat out stating that ANY AND ALL domestic nameplates are pure garbage, and that they will NEVER buy ANYTHING but a pure Nippon made/sourced/profited product for the rest of their lives, YET!
(3..2..1.)
Originally Posted By: cchase
Glad to see this thread is right on track.......
LOL...no doubt...in under two pages we already have somebody dropping the Pinto into the discussion.
Whatever.
Yes. ^^^
Oh well, at least we did not have one of them flat out stating that ANY AND ALL domestic nameplates are pure garbage, and that they will NEVER buy ANYTHING but a pure Nippon made/sourced/profited product for the rest of their lives, YET!
(3..2..1.)
Here's the irony: you guys are sick and tired of "GM bashing" yet whenever someone simply posts a problem their domestic car had, I can count on one hand the exact few people who will show up and start thread jacking and saying how wonderful domestic cars are and how crummy those Nippon cars are.
Is it OK if we post problems we've had with our cars, or is that off limits? I've posted problems with ALL the cars I've had to help others.
Sheesh. Hypocrisy anyone?
This thread has now turned into the usual GM/domestic zealots vs. all. There wasn't even ANY mention of Japanese cars being superior until you guys showed up.
Is it OK if we post problems we've had with our cars, or is that off limits? I've posted problems with ALL the cars I've had to help others.
Sheesh. Hypocrisy anyone?
This thread has now turned into the usual GM/domestic zealots vs. all. There wasn't even ANY mention of Japanese cars being superior until you guys showed up.
Last edited:
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
You need a BMW
Hahaha
I know there were plenty of bad Japanese cars.
My mother's 1985 Maxima was a royal pain, and so was every other Maxima from 1985-1988.
The Mazda RX-7 probably had the shortest engine life of anything I have ever known.
The second generation Mitsubishi Eclipse had a terrible engine and transmission.
Also, there are plenty of good American vehicles, most of them are pickup trucks.
I wouldn't be nearly as angry if GM didn't get corporate welfare, or if my 2003 Saturn ION didn't have a cylinder way below minimum compression at 95,000 miles.
I could also rip on European cars.
I know there were plenty of bad Japanese cars.
My mother's 1985 Maxima was a royal pain, and so was every other Maxima from 1985-1988.
The Mazda RX-7 probably had the shortest engine life of anything I have ever known.
The second generation Mitsubishi Eclipse had a terrible engine and transmission.
Also, there are plenty of good American vehicles, most of them are pickup trucks.
I wouldn't be nearly as angry if GM didn't get corporate welfare, or if my 2003 Saturn ION didn't have a cylinder way below minimum compression at 95,000 miles.
I could also rip on European cars.
With all due respect...I dont see anyone bashing the OP for posting the topic. It's valid information and is valuable to those affected.
As to your domestic/import defense/bashing comments. I'll concede your point if you can tell me why the typical posts from the same anti domestic crowd so quickly filled this thread? In other words wt heck does the Ford Pinto, lower intake manifolds, alternators and perceived{contrived opinions of}GM quality in general have to do with the OP?
I think you read this thread with rose colored glasses...no "defense" was offered at all, until the usual GM bashers entered the picture. If this thread "went there" it's because it already had in the first two pages.
As to your domestic/import defense/bashing comments. I'll concede your point if you can tell me why the typical posts from the same anti domestic crowd so quickly filled this thread? In other words wt heck does the Ford Pinto, lower intake manifolds, alternators and perceived{contrived opinions of}GM quality in general have to do with the OP?
I think you read this thread with rose colored glasses...no "defense" was offered at all, until the usual GM bashers entered the picture. If this thread "went there" it's because it already had in the first two pages.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
....I can count on one hand the exact few people who will show up and start thread jacking and saying how wonderful domestic cars are and how crummy those Nippon cars are.
Who exactly has done that, either in this thread or elsewhere? I suggest you re read my original post, and the backhanded "exploding Pinto" comment I was responding to.
As far as that goes, I can count on one hand, the exact same few people who will make the same anti GM comments in any thread involving GM, but that warrants no response according to you?
Do you think the "I'll never buy another GM", "typical GM quality" and "lower intake mainifold history lessons" are germane to the OP?
....I can count on one hand the exact few people who will show up and start thread jacking and saying how wonderful domestic cars are and how crummy those Nippon cars are.
Who exactly has done that, either in this thread or elsewhere? I suggest you re read my original post, and the backhanded "exploding Pinto" comment I was responding to.
As far as that goes, I can count on one hand, the exact same few people who will make the same anti GM comments in any thread involving GM, but that warrants no response according to you?
Do you think the "I'll never buy another GM", "typical GM quality" and "lower intake mainifold history lessons" are germane to the OP?
Ok, I see what they are. Looks like the rears are adjustable for toe and the forwards are fixed. So what's the fix, shorter rods? camber bolts, slot the upper strut to knuckle mount holes in the strut? Doesn't sound hard or really expensive...
Originally Posted By: ms21043
Ok, I see what they are. Looks like the rears are adjustable for toe and the forwards are fixed. So what's the fix, shorter rods? camber bolts, slot the upper strut to knuckle mount holes in the strut? Doesn't sound hard or really expensive...
The rod I saw (which may not be the correct one) doesn't appear adjustable, at least not with a threaded turnbuckle like what you see there. Maybe it was supposed to be adjusted with cam bolts, I don't know. Or maybe if they do have threaded turnbuckles from the factory, maybe their adjustable range isn't sufficient.
Thanks for posting the picture. It looks like a typical rear strut setup, with three lower links and a vertical strut. Shouldn't be that difficult to get set up correctly.
Ok, I see what they are. Looks like the rears are adjustable for toe and the forwards are fixed. So what's the fix, shorter rods? camber bolts, slot the upper strut to knuckle mount holes in the strut? Doesn't sound hard or really expensive...
The rod I saw (which may not be the correct one) doesn't appear adjustable, at least not with a threaded turnbuckle like what you see there. Maybe it was supposed to be adjusted with cam bolts, I don't know. Or maybe if they do have threaded turnbuckles from the factory, maybe their adjustable range isn't sufficient.
Thanks for posting the picture. It looks like a typical rear strut setup, with three lower links and a vertical strut. Shouldn't be that difficult to get set up correctly.
Toe is set by turnbuckle on the rear link. Camber is adjusted by loosening the rear bolts and tilting the strut within the play allowed in the bolt holes. If camber isn't where it should be, file out the bolt holes in the strut until they are big enough to set camber.
That in mind, there is a problem that happens with some cars. The factory specified toe and camber angles don't work correctly, causing abnormal wear to tires no matter how well the car is maintained.
I can't remember how many times that has happened to an early Mazda 3, Nissan 350z, or Infiniti G35 Coupe.
That in mind, there is a problem that happens with some cars. The factory specified toe and camber angles don't work correctly, causing abnormal wear to tires no matter how well the car is maintained.
I can't remember how many times that has happened to an early Mazda 3, Nissan 350z, or Infiniti G35 Coupe.
OVERKILL
$100 Site Donor 2021
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Toe is set by turnbuckle on the rear link. Camber is adjusted by loosening the rear bolts and tilting the strut within the play allowed in the bolt holes. If camber isn't where it should be, file out the bolt holes in the strut until they are big enough to set camber.
That in mind, there is a problem that happens with some cars. The factory specified toe and camber angles don't work correctly, causing abnormal wear to tires no matter how well the car is maintained.
I can't remember how many times that has happened to an early Mazda 3, Nissan 350z, or Infiniti G35 Coupe.
Some cars are setup like this on purpose however (a lot of negative camber in the rear) like BMW's.
Toe is set by turnbuckle on the rear link. Camber is adjusted by loosening the rear bolts and tilting the strut within the play allowed in the bolt holes. If camber isn't where it should be, file out the bolt holes in the strut until they are big enough to set camber.
That in mind, there is a problem that happens with some cars. The factory specified toe and camber angles don't work correctly, causing abnormal wear to tires no matter how well the car is maintained.
I can't remember how many times that has happened to an early Mazda 3, Nissan 350z, or Infiniti G35 Coupe.
Some cars are setup like this on purpose however (a lot of negative camber in the rear) like BMW's.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Here's the irony: you guys are sick and tired of "GM bashing" yet whenever someone simply posts a problem their domestic car had, I can count on one hand the exact few people who will show up and start thread jacking and saying how wonderful domestic cars are and how crummy those Nippon cars are.
Is it OK if we post problems we've had with our cars, or is that off limits? I've posted problems with ALL the cars I've had to help others.
Sheesh. Hypocrisy anyone?
This thread has now turned into the usual GM/domestic zealots vs. all. There wasn't even ANY mention of Japanese cars being superior until you guys showed up.
Good point.
Here's the irony: you guys are sick and tired of "GM bashing" yet whenever someone simply posts a problem their domestic car had, I can count on one hand the exact few people who will show up and start thread jacking and saying how wonderful domestic cars are and how crummy those Nippon cars are.
Is it OK if we post problems we've had with our cars, or is that off limits? I've posted problems with ALL the cars I've had to help others.
Sheesh. Hypocrisy anyone?
This thread has now turned into the usual GM/domestic zealots vs. all. There wasn't even ANY mention of Japanese cars being superior until you guys showed up.
Good point.
Ouch. Another W-body (aka living dinosaur platform) problem. Those cars can't seem to catch a good break.
Is there any indication of other W-bodies like the later-model Pontiac Grand Prix's being affected, or is it a Chevy-only problem?
Is there any indication of other W-bodies like the later-model Pontiac Grand Prix's being affected, or is it a Chevy-only problem?
- Status
Similar threads
