Well I hope a car that retails for $13,000 extra such as the 240 outperforms the GR. If you scroll up I mentioned with ADMs there are better tools to be had then a GR/TypeR.
World domination? Oh yeah I forgot, we're playing RISK. If Toyota had more know how? You mean if BMW had more know how.They wish they had Toyota sales and reliability.
Wait until the tuners crack the ECU and you have tunes for this thing (including E). Software should make these things hurt some feelings is my prediction.I mean, it's gonna get dominated by a 20 year old M car, the owner of which isn't going to give two hoots about how many HP/L it makes. 0-60 in north of 5 seconds and a high 13 at 101Mph in the 1/4 aren't exactly impressiveI'm sure it handles well, but still, it's not going to be showing Mustangs, Camaros or many SUV's its tail lights light to light with Boy Racer behind the wheel.
Possibly, but it's already pretty high strung as it is at 187.5HP/L, this reminds me of some of the Civics I used to see at the track where they were putting a breaker bar on the head bolts between passes.
Not to be too cynical, but yeah, if BMW were to abandon everything that makes them BMW, they could become Toyota.
It's a certainty. My 1.8 VW sits higher than that at close to 200hp/L with no drama...this thing has plenty of room for more power and with Toyota reliability, I'm sure it's been tuned quite conservatively. Those Civics were NA and convereted to forced induction, not the same thing/can't compare to a OE forced induction engine that gets more power extracted through software like we are talking about here. I personally think this thing is killer...too bad a performance car made of the average person has been destroyed by the dealers with silly markups and folks buying them and flipping them on sites like Cars and Bids....a shame....hope they all eat it on it. Have already read of one account of a flipper that lost a bunch of money which to that I said "serves him right".
That why they buy cars and engines from BMW?
Guess we'll see. There are no guarantees, Mitsubishi (walk crank, walk) and Scoobie Doo modified reliability come to mind, both factory forced induction. Just because it's Japanese with a factory hair drier doesn't make it a sure thing that it'll be bomb proof when taken well beyond the design basis.
I was generally talking about the Toyota lineup that is catered to more engaging customers.
I will be curious this year if I see any down at VIR! I've seen a number of GR Supras and of course the 86.
You won't.
I'd put my money on Toyota having no drama but like you said time will tell. Lancer EVOs can handle huge power out of that 2.0. Subis....yeah....need some engine bits to do it. The Germans....so many MK7 GTIs, Rs, and Golfs on the road with ~2x stock power happilly bee-boppin around without many issues to note. Software for MK8 is out and already software along is netting big power gains on the new GTI/R.
MK8 GTI/R will make a showing for sure - software is already out/tuners have the ECUs cracked.
EV's are cleaning this category up if we are being honest, a good portion of them are nutty in the acceleration department. The BMW i4 M50 was tested at 0-60 in 3.3 seconds by Motortrend, the same group that couldn't get Toyota's claimed 0-60 of 4.99 seconds from the GR. It also ran a mid-11 at 121Mph.
Well this is kinda where I was going with the 20 year old M car comment. I see the potential for uptake in two camps here:
You don't have to know about oil, you have to know what the insides of an engine looks like as it ages and that tells all you need to know about oils.
Nope. They source their diesels from BMW.
That yes. Corolla GR, no. At least for some time. People who buy it are not going to pay 20k over MSRP and go to track.
??? He's following the owner's manual specifically.
Including their truck diesels?
