Those PGI made extended life filters are 99% @ 20-25 microns already. Going to 99.9% @ 20u isn't really going to get you any more benefits.
Can this site/people here, lobby Walmart to make a "quality filtering" Fram Endurance?
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Apparently many of the filter brands under the First Brand umbrella are being made at the same factory/factories, and using the same leaf spring stamping machines.
That's not true at all. We want it to sell for $2 with a $3 rebate
Yes. Its possible there all made on the same press. They may even be outsourced - common for very high run parts.
But the leaf spring is not the only issue - for example the one I linked above had the fiber end cap come off, and it didn't appear the glue covered the entire area that it needed.
Every assembly process has the potential for errors. There is no such thing as 100%. However the number of problems encountered here on just a very small sample of C&P is discouraging.
That Champ XL end cap issue shown in that thread is the first one like that I've seen posted. If that starts showing up more often, then it would point to an on-going production issue. Yes, every filter brand made may have some production issues once and awhile. It becomes obvious that there's an on-going problem when the same issue pops up all the time.
True, but how many Champ XL C&P do we get here in a year.
GE made Six Sigma famous. Six Sigma dictated 3.4 defects per 1M opportunities. When we C&P one unit in months and it has a defect - we either have to assume its a bad sign, or run out and buy a lottery ticket.
Yeah, no way any oil filter made will meet 6-sigma, lol. Yes, the C&P sample size on the Champ XL is small, but still could have been a hit on a rare issue. Agree, would need more samples to know for sure.
Yes, but given the number of defects vs number of cut opens around here were likely at 2 sigma. Maybe 1 Sigma
Which is my point. Either were very lucky at catching defects, given they sell millions of filters and we cut open what - maybe 1000 a year?Or there quality is very poor.
When every 5th First Brands filter cut open has a problem, there is definately a problem
I was commenting on the subject Champ XL end cap issue specifically, but yeah if you want to look at the entire brand, or all brands under a large umbrella like First Brands, Champ Labs or Mann-Hummel then it obviously looks worse when all models are combined.Yes, but given the number of defects vs number of cut opens around here were likely at 2 sigma. Maybe 1 Sigma
Or there quality is very poor.
When every 5th First Brands filter cut open has a problem, there is definately a problem
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Sounds like the market is already "cornered" for a quality $5 filter
WM, etc is not concerned about anything except their share prices and outlook.
I laud your spirit, but they don't give a rat's @ss about what we think - only about what we spend in their stores. It's going to take some serious voting of our wallets to have any meaningful impact whatsoever. You want a better filter? Me too! Go buy them when you find them and don't buy anything similar ever at WM until they have exactly what you're looking for.
I laud your spirit, but they don't give a rat's @ss about what we think - only about what we spend in their stores. It's going to take some serious voting of our wallets to have any meaningful impact whatsoever. You want a better filter? Me too! Go buy them when you find them and don't buy anything similar ever at WM until they have exactly what you're looking for.
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