What if you just ban a/c in black cars? 
How about driving one of these?
http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/silveraudi.asp
How about driving one of these?
http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/silveraudi.asp
California May Ban Dark Car Colors
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I actually really like that. Add some reflective window tint and he's good for a summer in Dubai.
The heat will be generated regardless of a car color, unless they legislate that the sun can't shine on certain days. Point being the heat will be generated and absorbed regardless whether it be a building, roads, trees, etc. Is black (dark) colors going to be outlawed altogether? Total waste of time, I'm all for being sensible and responsible with the environment but gimme a break...
Cali can kiss my you know what...i used to live there. I thought it was pretty bad when they had chp giving smog tests as cars passed by.
I don't agree with it being law, especially a state law, but it is not a terrible idea if it were developed/adopted by car makers. Buildings are already using this technology to gain efficiency, the only thing holding it back in cars is pretty colors. I know I'd like to get into a cooler car during the summer.
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Then buy a car with lighter color. Why should this idea be adopted by car makers? It's already adopted... they already have a decent range of color choices that includes light colors. What's wrong with personal choice? Just the thought of getting into a closed, hot car in the summer should be enough to sway anyone into buying a light car.
I don't have problem with gumnts setting performance requirements such as CAFE, or tailpipe emission requirements.
OTOH, micro-managing to the level of telling manufactures how to do something is wrong.
OTOH, micro-managing to the level of telling manufactures how to do something is wrong.
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Originally Posted By: tpitcher
Now, will people finally realize this type of Govenrment is out of control?
Well, I think the main objection is that this type of government is still in control
Now, will people finally realize this type of Govenrment is out of control?
Well, I think the main objection is that this type of government is still in control
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Pablo
No. People such as Gary think the only way to make things "fair" is via the Government. And of course companies have one mission in life: b*** h*** their customers via every scheme they can come up with. (when of course the master humper is the Government.....) Blind faith baby!
Gary must have deleted his post.
Yeah ..and I hid my commie flag too
Now if you can vote, you can attempt to change California government ..and if your love for these freedoms exceeds your love of the state ..move.
Hey, I want PA to have a 20F compression between hot and cold cycles ..tax free ..and everyone makes much more than the national per capita average ..especially ME ..and make it too expensive for too many others (unless you're illegal) to move here.
Why can't it be
Originally Posted By: Pablo
No. People such as Gary think the only way to make things "fair" is via the Government. And of course companies have one mission in life: b*** h*** their customers via every scheme they can come up with. (when of course the master humper is the Government.....) Blind faith baby!
Gary must have deleted his post.
Yeah ..and I hid my commie flag too
Now if you can vote, you can attempt to change California government ..and if your love for these freedoms exceeds your love of the state ..move.
Hey, I want PA to have a 20F compression between hot and cold cycles ..tax free ..and everyone makes much more than the national per capita average ..especially ME ..and make it too expensive for too many others (unless you're illegal) to move here.
Why can't it be
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Originally Posted By: XS650
I don't have problem with gumnts setting performance requirements such as CAFE, or tailpipe emission requirements.
OTOH, micro-managing to the level of telling manufactures how to do something is wrong.
CAFE is a hot button topic where I disagree with you. I believe we've discussed it at length last summer. Bottom line... you can force manufacturers to build fuel-efficient vehicles, but how are you going to force people to buy them when what they really want is big, fast vehicles that are cheap?
I don't have problem with gumnts setting performance requirements such as CAFE, or tailpipe emission requirements.
OTOH, micro-managing to the level of telling manufactures how to do something is wrong.
CAFE is a hot button topic where I disagree with you. I believe we've discussed it at length last summer. Bottom line... you can force manufacturers to build fuel-efficient vehicles, but how are you going to force people to buy them when what they really want is big, fast vehicles that are cheap?
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Pablo
No. People such as Gary think the only way to make things "fair" is via the Government. And of course companies have one mission in life: b*** h*** their customers via every scheme they can come up with. (when of course the master humper is the Government.....) Blind faith baby!
Gary must have deleted his post.
Yeah ..and I hid my commie flag too
Now if you can vote, you can attempt to change California government ..and if your love for these freedoms exceeds your love of the state ..move.
Hey, I want PA to have a 20F compression between hot and cold cycles ..tax free ..and everyone makes much more than the national per capita average ..especially ME ..and make it too expensive for too many others (unless you're illegal) to move here.
Why can't it be
Fed's bail them out from other state's tax money.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Pablo
No. People such as Gary think the only way to make things "fair" is via the Government. And of course companies have one mission in life: b*** h*** their customers via every scheme they can come up with. (when of course the master humper is the Government.....) Blind faith baby!
Gary must have deleted his post.
Yeah ..and I hid my commie flag too
Now if you can vote, you can attempt to change California government ..and if your love for these freedoms exceeds your love of the state ..move.
Hey, I want PA to have a 20F compression between hot and cold cycles ..tax free ..and everyone makes much more than the national per capita average ..especially ME ..and make it too expensive for too many others (unless you're illegal) to move here.
Why can't it be
Fed's bail them out from other state's tax money.
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Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: XS650
I don't have problem with gumnts setting performance requirements such as CAFE, or tailpipe emission requirements.
OTOH, micro-managing to the level of telling manufactures how to do something is wrong.
CAFE is a hot button topic where I disagree with you. I believe we've discussed it at length last summer. Bottom line... you can force manufacturers to build fuel-efficient vehicles, but how are you going to force people to buy them when what they really want is big, fast vehicles that are cheap?
Indeed.
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Americans have cut back on buying vehicles of all types as the economy continues its slide. But the slowdown has been particularly brutal for hybrids, which use electricity and gasoline as power sources. They were the industry's darling just last summer, but sales have collapsed as consumers refuse to pay a premium for a fuel-efficient vehicle now that the average price of a gallon of gasoline nationally has slipped below $2.
"When gas prices came down, the priority of buying a hybrid fell off quite quickly," said Wes Brown, a partner at Los Angeles-based market research firm Iceology. "Yet even as consumer interest declined, the manufacturers have continued to pump them out."
Last month, only 15,144 hybrids sold nationwide, down almost two-thirds from April, when the segment's sales peaked and gas averaged $3.57 a gallon. That's far larger than the drop in industry sales for the period and scarcely a better showing than January, when hybrid sales were at their lowest since early 2005.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hybrid17-2009mar17,0,6682265.story
Originally Posted By: XS650
I don't have problem with gumnts setting performance requirements such as CAFE, or tailpipe emission requirements.
OTOH, micro-managing to the level of telling manufactures how to do something is wrong.
CAFE is a hot button topic where I disagree with you. I believe we've discussed it at length last summer. Bottom line... you can force manufacturers to build fuel-efficient vehicles, but how are you going to force people to buy them when what they really want is big, fast vehicles that are cheap?
Indeed.
Quote:
Americans have cut back on buying vehicles of all types as the economy continues its slide. But the slowdown has been particularly brutal for hybrids, which use electricity and gasoline as power sources. They were the industry's darling just last summer, but sales have collapsed as consumers refuse to pay a premium for a fuel-efficient vehicle now that the average price of a gallon of gasoline nationally has slipped below $2.
"When gas prices came down, the priority of buying a hybrid fell off quite quickly," said Wes Brown, a partner at Los Angeles-based market research firm Iceology. "Yet even as consumer interest declined, the manufacturers have continued to pump them out."
Last month, only 15,144 hybrids sold nationwide, down almost two-thirds from April, when the segment's sales peaked and gas averaged $3.57 a gallon. That's far larger than the drop in industry sales for the period and scarcely a better showing than January, when hybrid sales were at their lowest since early 2005.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hybrid17-2009mar17,0,6682265.story
Nah, Gary never does stunts like that to Tempest. Never noticed. Hmm..........
These reflective paints improve all the performance of all colors, not just black. Black just happens to be the most difficult build the technology into and maintain its color. It also improves the reflective properties of glass, where much of the heat is gained regardless of paint color. These ideas has been reality for quite awhile in buildings, especially low e glass.
Anything that improves efficiency is a good thing as long as it is sound technology and is done at reasonable costs. I'm not jumping on the CARB bandwagon to save the earth, nor am I promoting this technology I'm just noting that these ideas shouldn't be shot down merely at face value. Remember when fuel injection was junk, going to put car makers out of business when mandated, and got [censored] gas mileage?
BTW I drive white and silver vehicles.
Anything that improves efficiency is a good thing as long as it is sound technology and is done at reasonable costs. I'm not jumping on the CARB bandwagon to save the earth, nor am I promoting this technology I'm just noting that these ideas shouldn't be shot down merely at face value. Remember when fuel injection was junk, going to put car makers out of business when mandated, and got [censored] gas mileage?
BTW I drive white and silver vehicles.
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Nah, Gary never does stunts like that to Tempest. Never noticed. Hmm..........
I'll put you on my list too, pal ..paying back the gesture of goodwill here
People like Pablo don't care if America is full of future unneeded people as long as he gets his. You can all rot for all he cares ..and if it gets him where he wants to go ..so much the better.
How's that?
Nah, Gary never does stunts like that to Tempest. Never noticed. Hmm..........
I'll put you on my list too, pal ..paying back the gesture of goodwill here
People like Pablo don't care if America is full of future unneeded people as long as he gets his. You can all rot for all he cares ..and if it gets him where he wants to go ..so much the better.
How's that?
Effective. I'm on the way to the shelter right now.
You shall drive white cars. It has been mandated.
You shall drive white cars. It has been mandated.
mandatory helmets for all occupants of motor vehicles.
The life you save could be your own.
The life you save could be your own.
Originally Posted By: oilyriser
mandatory helmets for all occupants of motor vehicles.
The life you save could be your own.
And meanwhile you can still ride a motorcycle without one, in fact lets make it helmets mandatory for any 2 wheelers without a motor as well, as long as I can ride a hog without one.
mandatory helmets for all occupants of motor vehicles.
The life you save could be your own.
And meanwhile you can still ride a motorcycle without one, in fact lets make it helmets mandatory for any 2 wheelers without a motor as well, as long as I can ride a hog without one.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Fed's bail them out from other state's tax money.
Actually, California is a net exporter of federal tax dollars. For every dollar their citizens pay in federal taxes, they only get 91 cents back.
Fed's bail them out from other state's tax money.
Actually, California is a net exporter of federal tax dollars. For every dollar their citizens pay in federal taxes, they only get 91 cents back.
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