California May Ban Dark Car Colors

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Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
What if your ride didn't have A/C?


Yeah, try and sell a new car without AC in hot climate.


What about a Jeep?
 
Cali wants to be able to control your thermostat in your house so this isn't really all that surprising. Just more examples of Big Brother in action.
 
Radical environmentalism is nothing more, nothing less than the new rationale for communism. Authoritarian, big power for those in charge, communism.

The original rationale by Marx was that there would never be prosperity enjoyed by the employee class. But this has been proven false. Hence, a new reason, a new excuse for communism must be created.

Basic environmental awareness is fine... but having some nameless body out there controlling people's lives on such minute details and such minute "SAVINGS" is not just stupid and incompetent, it's tyranny. Well, it's stupid and incompetent of those who allow it to happen, and for those who impose, it's an expression of tyranny.
 
Next, they'll outlaw black roofs on houses. Geeez!

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Cali wants to be able to control your thermostat in your house...

That's okay, just park your lamp under the thermostat, as one congressman did in the Capitol, to get more a/c in the room.
 
I would think that once the car gets moving, air flow over the car's surface would cool the car body down to whatever the air temperature would be regardless of what color the car is.

If C02 is a greenhouse gas and is bad, I wonder when they're going to start regulating heavy breathing? What's next? Farts?
 
I think the idea that a darker car requires more fuel to cool down has merit. They need to run a few tests and have numbers to back up their claims, though. Otherwise, the response to this initiative would be exactly what it is in this thread.

As for my opinion, if there is a substantially material difference between silver colored and black colored cars, I would be willing to listen to their argument. If it reduces our dependence on foreign oil even a little then I see very little downside to buying a silver car versus a black car.

I have a black car and a white car and prefer to go around in the white one during the summer.
 
BTW, the methane gas from industrial cow farms is considered to be a materially significant greenhouse gas.
 
Originally Posted By: Norm Olt
The number 1 (so-called) "greenhouse gas" is...

WATER VAPOR!

That's right, folks! And insane Californicator over-regulators would TRY to regulate the water vapor that comes out of the tailpipe of the EVIL INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE if they thought they could get away with it!


Yes, water vapor is a greenhouse gas, too.
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
BTW, the methane gas from industrial cow farms is considered to be a materially significant greenhouse gas.


CA is also causing a stink about this too.

I was referring to MY farts, not cow farts.
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Originally Posted By: Tempest
Cali wants to be able to control your thermostat in your house so this isn't really all that surprising. Just more examples of Big Brother in action.


They're already doing this in Texas...Austin and Houston (??) and it's not just the thermostats. I heard they're controlling power to appliances too.
 
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Yeah, it's meant to reduce the power usage during the peak hours. As far as I know, it's a voluntary scheme by the power companies. It doesn't make sense to build new capacity to just satisfy peak demand during 30-40 days a year for a few hours a day.
 
Originally Posted By: Samilcar
Wouldn't the color of a vehicle's INTERIOR have a much greater effect on how hot the vehicle's INTERIOR gets? In comparison, the exterior paint color would seem to have a much smaller effect.

If Cali is that worried about vehicle interior temps affecting gasoline consumption, why not mandate all cars have dark window tinting? Wouldn't that have a much greater affect on interior temps?


My black truck has a light tan interior. It gets hot enough inside that the Twin Cities plant sticker on the inside of the back window has cracked into several pieces. My bright red truck with a dark gray interior had the same type of sticker on the back window and it never had any cracks in it. Given that, I think my black truck gets hotter on the inside than the red one ever did, despite the light color of the black truck's interior. The black truck has factory tint on all of the rear windows too...the red truck didn't have any tint on the windows until it was over 5 years old.

But either way, California is being ridiculous.
 
It'll probably save as much fuel as using 5w20, but hey, people aren't dumb, can you imagine people buying into the idea that they're really doing good by letting makers meet CAFE requirements with a lighter oil in order to sell more pickups, SUVs, minivans and hi output sedans ?
 
my white grand chero with black interior stays cooler than my silver grand chero with tan interior did. Black accord with grey interior was a scorcher, white subaru with grey interior was ok. blue minivan with blue interior sat in the middle.

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My dark green Cherokee with Tan cloth interior stays MUCH cooler than my tan Monte Carlo with black leather interior. But who cares, this is America, I should be able to buy whatever the [censored] I want if I can afford it. Just because you care so much about saving fuel, why should I?
 
I think it would save more juice than 5-20. The 2001 chrysler minivan hvac has the same capacity as a 1500 sq foot home hvac because people need the interior to cool quickly. A 15 degree difference between external paint colors could amount to a lot less energy transfer needed. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suppose that 6-8hp are needed to drive that compressor... and anyone with a genset knows that if you load up and max out a 8hp engine it will burn through a couple gallons of gas pretty quickly. Obviously that ramps down after the duty cycle is lessened when desired temps are achieved, but during the 100% duty cycle there is a good bit of fuel dedicated to AC for 20-30 minutes.

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A drastic reduction in the population of California and pretty much everywhere else would be the answer to many of the ills regulators want to control.
 
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