Best oil for 3.8 V8 twin turbo Ferrari engine

[4WD]

No it won't lubricate any different. It will be guaranteed to pump at a temperature below -35 or so, but that's it. Above that temperature there is zero guarantee that an oil with a 0W winter rating will be any thinner than the same grade above that temperature.

And 90% of wear does not occur at startup. The majority of wear occurs during warmup. All oils have high film thickness when cold and this helps to prevent wear.

Unless you are starting the vehicle at temperatures of -30 or below then ignore the winter rating. It is irrelevant here.

He wrote warming up …

 

[kschachn]

He wrote warming up …

I apologize, sorry I got that wrong. I deleted that from my post.

 

[edyvw]

He wrote warming up …

That is also dependent on composition of an oil.
But in Florida, there is absolutely no difference.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

That is also dependent on composition of an oil.
But in Florida, there is absolutely no difference.

Especially Miami, where the coldest recorded temperature ever was +27*F, in 1917. Miami has only been below +40*F eight times since 1981. Even a straight 40 grade has absolutely no problems being pumpable at those temps.

 

[fdcg27]

- fdcg27: yes, Jaguar and Maserati are rated as having the highest depreciation. Partly the reason why I bought one, I like the idea of paying 55k for a car originally worth 160k

An NBA player's car for desk jockey money?
I like the way you think.
I'm sure that you're already aware that when the time for service and parts comes, it'll magically transform back into its triple dollar self.
I suspect that oil choice will be the least of your concerns in your ownership experience with this ride.
Good luck with it.

 

[Pablo]

An NBA player's car for desk jockey money?
I like the way you think.
I'm sure that you're already aware that when the time for service and parts comes, it'll magically transform back into its triple dollar self.
I suspect that oil choice will be the least of your concerns in your ownership experience with this ride.
Good luck with it.

I agree.

Crud. Desk jockey money? I'll go hang with poor guys like @Zee09 now.

 

[edyvw]

Page 2, and we are already at: "I know it is Maserati/Ferrari, but have you tried Accord Sport? Fun, and CVT is not bad at all."

 

[facility1]

for a cold starting you should concerned about the CCS and the MRV (depending on viscosity range if the oil) ratings of the oil, as a certain amount of wear does occur at starting times, the pour point only just tells you that and is not directly related to pump and flow with in the cold engine. Euro oils seemingly do not fare as well in the CCU and MRV tests that I can see with comparison to the Sae /Rc/ ISLAC standards. inspite of the higher HTHS that they offer.

 

[edyvw]

for a cold starting you should concerned about the CCS and the MRV (depending on viscosity range if the oil) ratings of the oil, as a certain amount of wear does occur at starting times, the pour point only just tells you that and is not directly related to pump and flow with in the cold engine. Euro oils seemingly do not fare as well in the CCU and MRV tests that I can see with comparison to the Sae /Rc/ ISLAC standards. inspite of the higher HTHS that they offer.

I am trying to figure out relationships between CCS/MRV and HTHS. How does HTHS value determines cold cranking performance?

 

[facility1]

I am trying to figure out relationships between CCS/MRV and HTHS. How does HTHS value determines cold cranking performance?

hths oils are usually thicker at the 40cst and 100cst viscosity's is what I see (ASTM-D-5293) , separate of PP,the cold cranking (ccs) is resistance of the starting torque, the lower the number ,the better, per given viscosity per j-300 chart, and the mrv is cold flow at a certain temperature (lower is better) ,usually charted at a neg, cold temp (MRV = TP-1 test ) ,again reflective to the oils viscosity,,,the type of base stock and addition of viscosity index improvers come into play mostly with the PP ,resource conserving (RC) is also reflective on the thinner side of the oils viscosity in order to achieve better lower internal resistance in the engine (MPG) ( friction modifiers & moly are a player) ,and the HTHS number is reduced as a result of this lower viscosity.

 

[edyvw]

hths oils are usually thicker at the 40cst and 100cst viscosity's is what I see (ASTM-D-5293) , separate of PP,the cold cranking (ccs) is resistance of the starting torque, the lower the number ,the better, per given viscosity per j-300 chart, and the mrv is cold flow at a certain temperature (lower is better) ,usually charted at a neg, cold temp (MRV = TP-1 test ) ,again reflective to the oils viscosity,,,the type of base stock and addition of viscosity index improvers come into play mostly with the PP ,resource conserving (RC) is also reflective on the thinner side of the oils viscosity in order to achieve better lower internal resistance in the engine (MPG) ( friction modifiers & moly are a player) ,and the HTHS number is reduced as a result of this lower viscosity.

OK, so how does this makes sense: “inspite of the higher HTHS that they offer.”

 

[facility1]

a euro oil has a higher HTHS mostly because of a more higher viscosity base oil and additive pac but still with in the j-300 chart.as far as I can tell.

 

[edyvw]

a euro oil has a higher HTHS mostly because of a more higher viscosity base oil and additive pac but still with in the j-300 chart.as far as I can tell.

Yes. My point is that you said they don’t perform as well inspite of higher HTHS, which doesn’t make sense.

 

[kschachn]

hths oils are usually thicker at the 40cst and 100cst viscosity's is what I see (ASTM-D-5293) , separate of PP,the cold cranking (ccs) is resistance of the starting torque, the lower the number ,the better, per given viscosity per j-300 chart, and the mrv is cold flow at a certain temperature (lower is better) ,usually charted at a neg, cold temp (MRV = TP-1 test ) ,again reflective to the oils viscosity,,,the type of base stock and addition of viscosity index improvers come into play mostly with the PP ,resource conserving (RC) is also reflective on the thinner side of the oils viscosity in order to achieve better lower internal resistance in the engine (MPG) ( friction modifiers & moly are a player) ,and the HTHS number is reduced as a result of this lower viscosity.

You should be concerned about the winter rating. There’s more to it than just viscosity at low temperatures.

 

[facility1]

You should be concerned about the winter rating. There’s more to it than just viscosity at low temperatures.

good point.

 

[edyvw]

As for Euro oils and CCS and MRV, here is HPL pds with PCMO and Euro stuff:
5W30:
Euro
HTHS: 3,597 cP
CCS: 5,557 at -30
MRV: 17,699 at -35

PCMO:
HTHS: 3,257
CCS: 6,363 at -30
MRV: 18,480 at -35

Just bcs. HTHS is higher, does not mean CCS and MRV is worse. It is a base stock thing. I think their Euro stuff is loaded with more PAO and some esters.

 

[facility1]

just to compare I use Pennzoil Ultra Platinium,5w-30,SP,GF-6A , the HTHS is un-published, the ccs is 4000 at -30 astm 5393,,the mrv is 10,200 plus the pour point is -48 c,,,I would suspect the HTHS is around 3.0 ???,,looks like the PUP maybe a better flowing oil at low temps and pump up faster,,the GTL base oil is rather similar to group four I read somewhere on here bitog and other sources,, the HPL maybe a better oil along with considering other brands overall in many other factors though, the PUP is about $26.50 at WM.

 

[mark pruett]

You should be concerned about the winter rating. There’s more to it than just viscosity at low temperatures.

It would be safe to say that you can't really go wrong getting a lower winter rating with the same warm rating. You may not do better but certainly not worse.

Except for whatever sort of "how many angels fit on the head of a pin?" hobbyist esoterica about shear stability of 5w vs 0w oils, that is.