It seems I am not alone...Toyota sells the most cars and has the best reputation. I didn't make this up...It's not my opinion. I see the cars in your signature, and that's how I know you see quality differently from me.
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OVERKILL
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See, the problem is that you made the decision to intentionally claim that the vehicles in my signature, which hover around the "average" level of reliability, are the "least dependable", and then expect me to take anything you say seriously.
That's the problem with developing your persona into one that comes off as a grifting clown that provides zero technical content, instead focusing on being a brand ambassador. You torpedo your credibility, which means serious conversations cannot be undertaken.
I'm sure there are many things we see differently that might warrant discussion in more capable company, but your engagement style and approach is such that we are unable to have productive conversations about these things.
What are you trying to say here? How do you define the "best" vehicle? A "quality" vehicle? There's tradeoffs everywhere.
That people mistake sales for quality. "They sell so many--how can they be bad?"
As you say, there are always tradeoffs. And "best" is a metric that is not the same for everyone.
Understood though I don't believe this scenario applies to Toyota.
Eh... I'm a fan but they have had their missteps. Oil burning 1.8's and 2.4's, 3.blows (and 2.4's that did the same), and now turbo V6's. RAV4's with wiring harness problems. They USED to be very good at initial quality, now they seem to use customers as beta testers just like everyone else.
edyvw
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Nothing says quality like 1cm gaps between plastic pieces, rattling like subway car, or seats broken in half. Though that is staple of new Tundra/Sequoia. The older one had seats that either don't support half of your back, or are too short. What really says quality is putting seat warmers from IDK, Corolla into Sequoia that has much more padding. By the time you get to work, you actually start feeling heat.
Warming up, especially 2GR-FE is another story. Works great in 10 degrees weather when you get off the airplane and car was parked 7 days on airport parking, but your baby wants to breastfeed. Then you are holding gas pedal like some lunatic there with fingers crossed it will produce a little bit of heat. It didn't. But, blankets were always in, bcs. Toyota.
edyvw
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His vehicles have engines that don't self-disintegrate after 500 miles. That is Toyota's expertise.
4WD
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I just talked to two long term Tundra fans - these guys make big money - but are keeping their 5.7 trucks bcs word is out on the new mill …
They went as far as saying it will impact what the wives get next …
This is 3 in a month I have heard from - one bought an F150 …
They need to take these problems seriously …
They went as far as saying it will impact what the wives get next …
This is 3 in a month I have heard from - one bought an F150 …
They need to take these problems seriously …
edyvw
$50 site donor 2025
Word is out, but still living in denial. Bcs. algorithms, sometimes on my Facebook Tundra or in some other group. The mental gymnastics going on there is really something.
Sequoia is even worse. Engine issues and then add to it that it is absolutely the worst full-size family SUV now on the market when it comes to practicality.
Every manufacturer has had their missteps. Some a lot more than others.
Panel gaps, rattles, seat comfort, seat warmers, and engines taking too long to warm up.
Sounds like fairly minor complaints
BMW motor will warm up a lot faster though. Often times it warms up too much! Then I see them on the side of the road with the hood up and a pool of coolant spilling underneath all over the road creating environmental hazard. Engine is toast, literally. Poor folks didn't know the entire (plastic) cooling system has to be replaced every 60k miles... "preventative maintenance"
edyvw
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Hmm, i had 6 BMW’s, some reaching 300+ k miles. I must have overslept that incident on the side of the road.Panel gaps, rattles, seat comfort, seat warmers, and engines taking too long to warm up.
Sounds like fairly minor complaints
BMW motor will warm up a lot faster though. Often times it warms up too much! Then I see them on the side of the road with the hood up and a pool of coolant spilling underneath all over the road creating environmental hazard. Engine is toast, literally. Poor folks didn't know the entire (plastic) cooling system has to be replaced every 60k miles... "preventative maintenance"
When you do 5,000mls road trip seat comfort is MAJOR issue. Same like when you 4mos old baby cries bcs. POS engine cannot reach temperature or build quality is such that car froze inside out.
edyvw
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You can’t ignore issue bcs. NHTSA made them do recall. 24-25 still have issues but Toyota, as usual is trying to pull fast one on that.
NHTSA didn’t make them do 8 speed recall on HL and Sienna AWD and they left customers dry.
So, please…
Engines that warm up at idle are POS IMO as it means they aren't efficient. My current Toyota's are slow to warm up--and I like that, means they are more miserly than prior ones that ran pig rich so as heat up the cat faster.
My worst car to heat was a VW, that model even had heaters in the coolant, and it still had issues in winter. Still liked the car.
My worst car to heat was a VW, that model even had heaters in the coolant, and it still had issues in winter. Still liked the car.
BMW has poor engineering on the cooling systems. They like to use Tupperware under the hood for critical cooling components and connections. Pretty well known issue that's sadly lasted for a long long time. Lots have been burned (pun intended) by this issue.
Seat comfort is too subjective. Depends on too many factors - height, weight (obese), physical fitness, health conditions, etc. The Japanese in general are in good health compared to the Euros & Americans
Toyota has done the opposite of ignore this.
You are incorrect, NHTSA did not force them. It was a voluntary recall initiated by Toyota. You can read the timeline here in the official filing if you want the facts.
The way Toyota has handled this is why Tundra sales have only accelerated since the announcement of the recall. And Tundra still has best resale values of the full size competitor pickups.
People buy Toyota because they know they will be taken care of better than any other manufacturer.
