Average wedding in America $ 25,000

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Because sometimes the blushing bride is really a cheating.... once you've married her.

Probably can't type a word for the .... as it would violate the rules here.

But she can cheat and still get 1/2 of the stuff, the kids, etc.

Something is really wrong with a system that rewards the cheater.

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Why all the divorce talk? Bitter folks who've gone through them before?

Granted, I am not as old as some of you here, but I do know being your bride to be's friend PRIOR to dating/ marriage is the way to go.

We had meet when we were seeing other people thus we knew what we were getting into when we first started dating. Some of you will probably say I have a lot to learn and that is fine.. I'll admit I do.
 
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Originally Posted By: Dallas69
The only thing dumber than a big wedding is spending big bucks on renewing vows.
Most of the people that I have seen renewing vows have gotten divorced soon after.I think they are just trying to convence themselves to stay.
Doesn't work.


As dumb as you think expensive weddings are, I think it's equally, or even more stupid to blow $40K-$50K on a new vehicle...


I can buy 2 new vehicles for 50K.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Going into debt for a wedding is about the dumbest thing you could possibly do.


Nah, spending $40k or $50k on a new vehicle is far dumber...


Vehicles last 15 years minimum. Wedding celebrations last 7 hours.
 
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Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
The only thing dumber than a big wedding is spending big bucks on renewing vows.
Most of the people that I have seen renewing vows have gotten divorced soon after.I think they are just trying to convence themselves to stay.
Doesn't work.


As dumb as you think expensive weddings are, I think it's equally, or even more stupid to blow $40K-$50K on a new vehicle...


I can buy 2 new vehicles for 50K.


So can I, but somebody's buying those $50K+ vehicles, or I wouldn't be seeing them on the roads...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
The only thing dumber than a big wedding is spending big bucks on renewing vows.
Most of the people that I have seen renewing vows have gotten divorced soon after.I think they are just trying to convence themselves to stay.
Doesn't work.


As dumb as you think expensive weddings are, I think it's equally, or even more stupid to blow $40K-$50K on a new vehicle...


Nowadays, the vehicle is likely to last longer... on average, at least. And at least when you sell it, you're potentially likely to get something back out of it.

Not trying to be a cynic, but statistics don't lie.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
Going into debt for a wedding is about the dumbest thing you could possibly do.


Nah, spending $40k or $50k on a new vehicle is far dumber...
That's dumb too if you can't afford it but it's nowhere near as dumb. You can drive, or sell, the vehicle tomorrow. I'm only talking about wedding you can't afford. If you, or willing parents, can afford a $10 million wedding, have at it. Most people can't afford much. They start off even deeper in debt that they likely already were with student loans, cars, etc.


Buying anything you can't afford is dumb, but I was responding to those who say expensive weddings in general are dumb...
In general they are dumb. Almost everyone would have been better off with a $5000 or less wedding and the extra cash to pay debt or use as a down payment or some other investment. Expensive rings are also dumb.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Because sometimes the blushing bride is really a cheating.... once you've married her.

Probably can't type a word for the .... as it would violate the rules here.

But she can cheat and still get 1/2 of the stuff, the kids, etc.

Something is really wrong with a system that rewards the cheater.

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Why all the divorce talk? Bitter folks who've gone through them before?

Granted, I am not as old as some of you here, but I do know being your bride to be's friend PRIOR to dating/ marriage is the way to go.

We had meet when we were seeing other people thus we knew what we were getting into when we first started dating. Some of you will probably say I have a lot to learn and that is fine.. I'll admit I do.


Yep. Courts favor the mother....
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Because sometimes the blushing bride is really a cheating.... once you've married her.

Probably can't type a word for the .... as it would violate the rules here.

But she can cheat and still get 1/2 of the stuff, the kids, etc.

Something is really wrong with a system that rewards the cheater

The great majority of divorce we have seen in our area was bc the guy found a honey at work and initiated the divorce in favor of a younger better looking babe.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidelity
https://www.webmd.com/men/features/our-cheating-hearts#1
https://www.redbookmag.com/love-sex/relationships/advice/a3966/why-men-cheat/
 
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We've had this discussion before.

Unless men are cheating with other men, the numbers are closer to even than studies would suggest. It's hard to get accurate data on this because can you really trust cheating, dishonest people to be honest when surveyed or studied?

Logic dictates that since most affairs are heterosexual, both genders are equally represented in affairs.

Even if she's not married, she probably knows he is, and that is cheating in my book.

In my case, my ex-wife had an affair with a married man. I doubt that is uncommon.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour

In my case, my ex-wife had an affair with a married man. I doubt that is uncommon.

I get it. Your spouse cheated on you you were hurt and mad. Of course it happens on both sides, but reputable information indicates men are more likely to cheat. I do notice many men feel as you. Not sure why. It is I believe in many cases the good 'ol men are superior in many ways. I can say for positive thats absolutely the way it was way back in the day.

When I first married 50 years ago I certainly felt that I was the head of the household and my opinion counted more than hers. My wife accepted that bc thats what she experienced in her home (we were both German/American). As the years evolved that S-L-O-W-L-Y changed. I have said many times to her and others I am ashamed of those days. Some of us have not left that behind.
 
One of the studies showed that the tendency to cheat has an age component.

Women are MORE likely to cheat when younger. Men when they are older.

Why? I suspect their relative value in the dating marketplace, if I were to be so crass. Young women have good looks and the ability to bear children in their favor. As they age, these advantages diminish. Men become more valuable in that same dating marketplace as they progress in their careers and have more money and more earning capacity.

In relatively new marriages, it is women ending the marriage at a much higher rate than it is men. She is still young and has little risk of losing her children in the divorce. At some point, this changes. In marriages of longer duration, it's the man who becomes more likely to end the marriage. He has a higher value in the dating marketplace and since his kids are probably adults, he doesn't have the risk of losing them (he thinks.)


The overall numbers are still women choosing to end marriages at a rate 2x higher than men. I.E. about 67% are ended by women and about 33% are divorces sought by men.

Dr Willard Harley says most women who choose to end their marriages are not victims of cheating or abuse. He indicates that he has a hard time convincing such victims to end their marriages. The women who choose to end their marriages, by his accounts, are those who feel they've been neglected by their husbands and can do better either on their own or with another.

And he's worked with thousands of couples, so he has the experience to know.

Men who cheat on their wives are more likely to return because they never really shut out their wives, they claim to still love them, and were cheating only for sex.

Women who cheat on their husbands are far less likely to return because they've shut out their husbands, believing they no longer love him, or perhaps that they never have loved him. They cheat for emotional connection.

The betrayed husband has a far more difficult task winning back an unfaithful wife than does a betrayed wife. She is far more likely to have emotionally checked out of the marriage than a cheating husband, and therefore, is much harder to engage in rebuilding the relationship.

Of course, there are exceptions. But the general trend is women end marriages because they believe they are not loved by their husbands and do so at a rate 2x that of men leaving their marriage. They are NOT ending marriages due to abuse or adultery on the part of their husbands in the majority of cases.

Originally Posted By: Dr Harley

When all forms of spousal neglect are grouped together, we find that it is far ahead of all the other reasons combined that women leave men. Surprisingly few women divorce because of physical abuse, infidelity, alcoholism, criminal behavior, fraud, or other serious grounds. In fact, I find myself bewildered by women in serious physical danger refusing to leave men that threaten their safety.

Simply stated, women leave men when they are neglected. Neglect accounts for almost all of the reasons women leave and divorce men.


http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8111_leave.html

If you read further, you will see that often it's simply different ideas on how to do the relationship. Now, I'm not so sure it's as cut and dried as Dr Harley says. After all, I believe there are some who believe in the idea of a soul mate. I even heard from my ex-wife "If you loved me, you would know what I need and want."

So I'd temper his view with a caveat that you need emotionally healthy people and expectations to build a loving marriage. If you have a women expecting a fairy tale or a man expecting a porn movies in real life, both are unrealistic and destined for disappointment.
 
My wife and I spent that much 15 years ago.

No regrets. Family, friends enjoyed our ocean front wedding that we found a decent local caterer and live band our family knows did gig for a few thousand. I think the bar tab killed us along with outdoor tent/dance floor. Our parents paid 1/2 but they seemed to want all that more then us. Looking back yes a lot of money.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
In general they are dumb. Almost everyone would have been better off with a $5000 or less wedding and the extra cash to pay debt or use as a down payment or some other investment. Expensive rings are also dumb.


That's your opinion, even though you state it as fact...
 
Not to mention the scam that is engagement rings... Luckily there are cheaper alternatives now.

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According to a recent survey by EBates, almost half of American men and women expect to spend between $1,000-$5,000 on an engagement ring, which happens to be just about the national average.

“The average cost of an engagement ring is $5,000, but you should spend what you can afford to spend,” Anne Chertoff, a trend expert at WeddingWire, told Forbes via email.

FORBES
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
One of the studies showed that the tendency to cheat has an age component.

Women are MORE likely to cheat when younger. Men when they are older.

I think you have to read the whole body of articles. Like I said, I found more supporting the side that men cheat more and abuse more. How many protection orders do you see filed by men. Men tend to abuse period. And Most divorces are initiated by women due to abuse and husband's infidility. The guy you cited just brushed this off and disagreed. My daughter initiated divorce bc husband abused/cheated on her. Anklike I said everyone we know that had a divorce was abuse/infidility and filed mostly by women.

I realize If I were kicked to the curb like you I might feel differently. We'll just disagree on facts here. I have no dog in the fight.
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Originally Posted By: javacontour
One of the studies showed that the tendency to cheat has an age component.

Women are MORE likely to cheat when younger. Men when they are older.

I think you have to read the whole body of articles. Like I said, I found more supporting the side that men cheat more and abuse more. How many protection orders do you see filed by men. Men tend to abuse period. And Most divorces are initiated by women due to abuse and husband's infidility. The guy you cited just brushed this off and disagreed. My daughter initiated divorce bc husband abused/cheated on her. Anklike I said everyone we know that had a divorce was abuse/infidility and filed mostly by women.

I realize If I were kicked to the curb like you I might feel differently. We'll just disagree on facts here. I have no dog in the fight.
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And like I said, Dr Harley has seen thousands, so I would go with his experience as a broader view than your experience. He’s been in the business for close to 50 years, so I tend to believe his experience is more than simply anecdotal.

Regarding men seeking orders of protection, there is a stigma for men claiming their wives abused them. Men who seek shelter are turned away because shelters don’t take men.

I’m not saying men are better. I’m saying that there is little difference in the morality of men and women. How they mistreat their spouses may be different, but each gender has no moral high ground.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hatt
In general they are dumb. Almost everyone would have been better off with a $5000 or less wedding and the extra cash to pay debt or use as a down payment or some other investment. Expensive rings are also dumb.


That's your opinion, even though you state it as fact...
Exactly which part do you disagree with?
 
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