Average age of vehicles is up&up

Yup, the driving dynamics and steering feel are why I hold onto this car for dear life. I test drove an F80 M3 back when they first came out. Engine sounded great, interior was nice, but felt like driving a video game.
I remember maybe 7-8 years ago a statement that there is “no” good EPS, but if anything, Porsche does it best. Eventually nobody will remember and over assisted will be ok.
 
With all of the electronics and modules on these newer vehicles, I highly doubt they will be on the road in 20 years. That is the stuff that will kill off these newer vehicles. There are already issues with getting some of these modules and a lot of them these days are a one time use only tied to the VIN of the vehicle they were originally installed in. A lot of them are also super expensive.



I would expect for popular modules for specialists to be able to do board level repairs to them some of the time. I'm sure it won't be cheap.
 
I'm wondering if direct injection is going to push this number lower again?
I think other than a timing belt and being thirsty, my 2006 Toyota V8 (3UZ-FE) is a relic in a good way….likely to outlast my needs…my 2007 BMW does have DI which at the time I wanted 😂. At least many shops can handle the walnut blast process…
 
I maintain a 1999 as my daily driver, as well as two other year 2000 vehicles and one 2011. Really no trouble getting parts as long as I'm willing to mail order.
I junked my 1998 this year, but love my 2006 and 2007 to this day. The 2011 is so so as it’s a GM SUV
 
My '99 is tossing a cat code P0420 now. Don't have to fix, but, I just had the exhaust welded up, and the shop said there wasn't much left to weld. Wonder what an entire exhaust system costs? no, I don't want to know right now.
Look on ebay, they have an aftermarket cat & flexpipe that bolts right up for under $100 for your car. The midpipe and muffler actually cost more.
 
Most of this is governed by weather, far more than it is by finance. If people want a new vehicle bad enough, they'll simply buy one. They'll just mortgage it further out, with a longer loan, and pay more interest. We now have auto loans going out to 8 years.

That is insane. People would never have believed such a thing was even possible 30 or 40 years ago. Let alone doing it with less than 20% down. But here we are. The result is we now have more car loans underwater today, than ever before in the history of this country.

Weather, on the other hand is dealt to you. You cannot control it, or what it does to your vehicle. If you're fortunate enough to live in the sunbelt, (Arizona or California), your cars will last an all but indefinite period of time. Assuming you take good care of them mechanically.
A car lasts until it peeves you off, then it gets resold until it peeves its final owner off, who junks it. This guy might be handy or he might be good at ignoring warning lights. Sixty years ago a car would probably burn oil, lose compression, and get junked for that. The pendulum swung to rusty unibodies and, now, probably, electronic & emissions issues. A car that starts and runs and gets to work will irritate its owner less than one that randomly stalls out or throws codes that can get dealt with months later (or never.)

We have regions with smog and safety inspections, and regions without. I surmise the ones without think they're "smart" for importing mildly defective vehicles from stricter states.
 
My daily driver is a 79 Subaru DL. I have it oil undercoated yearly, and wash it often in the winter. There are a few rust spots that require repair, but those same spots have been there for many years, since I bought the car. Very little of it is original. Many parts have been replaced with parts from different manufacturers or models of car. There are even some marine and aircraft parts mixed in. Engine is an EA71S, which is essentially the Subaru factory race engine for the FJ1600 (old Japanese equivalent to a Formula Ford car). Originally it had dual carbs but was missing its intake so it is running a Holley 1904 carb on a modified single carb intake. Other modifications include Denso alternator from a Suzuki Samurai, GM HEI ignition module and Ford TFI coil, Ford Racing 90 degree oil filter adapter, and 5 speed dog gear transaxle from a Subaru 1300G. Too many little things to count. At this point it's as reliable as a modern car or better. Manual rack and pinion steering, very easy to steer but not at all like steering on a modern car. Not biased towards going in a straight line but rather unstable, in a good way. Any kind of turn from any direction can be made lightning fast, with little force applied. I carry a small tool bag which has every tool necessary to repair anything on the car. I rarely need to use it for any more than a small coolant leak, loose wire, or exhaust gasket. It's a great car, I am planning on keeping it forever. Eventually the body will be restored as well. I'm planning on getting another car that's RWD, lightweight, and manual transmission. Have my mind set on a Cosworth Vega. Always wanted one, have done a decent amount of work on the engine, but swapped into a Chevette. I'd like to use the original fuel injection manifold but install modern injectors, a modern Haltech ECU, knock sensor, O2 sensor, TPS, MAP sensor, and coil per cylinder ignition. Obviously have Cometic make me a custom MLS head gasket as well. And I think it would be a wonderful car, having gotten rid of the analog computer and actually having modern controls on that engine. If you're not looking for one in perfect shape they're really not terribly expensive. $4000-8000 range for one that needs paint and interior work, but is running and driving fine. Another old car that I think you guys will get a kick out of is my friend's 82 Toronado diesel. Original 5.7 engine, never rebuilt, has over 600,000 miles on it. It does have ARP head studs installed, but the cylinders are factory size, and they still have near perfect crosshatching. Oil used way back when is unknown. Currently uses mostly Mobil 1 15w50 and 5w50, some Mobil 1 V Twin 20W50 as well, Mobil does strangely recommend it for API CF applications. Included are some pictures of my Subaru:
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Yawn, I've seen rust belt 12 year old vehicles with an outstanding rust recall advertised on the west coast for prices into the 15,000 range.
Thats a bunch for a car that should be sent to pasture. Its like its a game.
 
My daily driver is a 79 Subaru DL. I have it oil undercoated yearly, and wash it often in the winter. There are a few rust spots that require repair, but those same spots have been there for many years, since I bought the car. Very little of it is original. Many parts have been replaced with parts from different manufacturers or models of car. There are even some marine and aircraft parts mixed in. Engine is an EA71S, which is essentially the Subaru factory race engine for the FJ1600 (old Japanese equivalent to a Formula Ford car). Originally it had dual carbs but was missing its intake so it is running a Holley 1904 carb on a modified single carb intake. Other modifications include Denso alternator from a Suzuki Samurai, GM HEI ignition module and Ford TFI coil, Ford Racing 90 degree oil filter adapter, and 5 speed dog gear transaxle from a Subaru 1300G. Too many little things to count. At this point it's as reliable as a modern car or better. Manual rack and pinion steering, very easy to steer but not at all like steering on a modern car. Not biased towards going in a straight line but rather unstable, in a good way. Any kind of turn from any direction can be made lightning fast, with little force applied. I carry a small tool bag which has every tool necessary to repair anything on the car. I rarely need to use it for any more than a small coolant leak, loose wire, or exhaust gasket. It's a great car, I am planning on keeping it forever. Eventually the body will be restored as well. I'm planning on getting another car that's RWD, lightweight, and manual transmission. Have my mind set on a Cosworth Vega. Always wanted one, have done a decent amount of work on the engine, but swapped into a Chevette. I'd like to use the original fuel injection manifold but install modern injectors, a modern Haltech ECU, knock sensor, O2 sensor, TPS, MAP sensor, and coil per cylinder ignition. Obviously have Cometic make me a custom MLS head gasket as well. And I think it would be a wonderful car, having gotten rid of the analog computer and actually having modern controls on that engine. If you're not looking for one in perfect shape they're really not terribly expensive. $4000-8000 range for one that needs paint and interior work, but is running and driving fine. Another old car that I think you guys will get a kick out of is my friend's 82 Toronado diesel. Original 5.7 engine, never rebuilt, has over 600,000 miles on it. It does have ARP head studs installed, but the cylinders are factory size, and they still have near perfect crosshatching. Oil used way back when is unknown. Currently uses mostly Mobil 1 15w50 and 5w50, some Mobil 1 V Twin 20W50 as well, Mobil does strangely recommend it for API CF applications. Included are some pictures of my Subaru:View attachment 183919View attachment 183920View attachment 183921View attachment 183922View attachment 183923View attachment 183924
Wow this is amazing! I hope I can keep my 91’ Previa running like what you have here! Parts are already getting hard to find, but you seriously jury rigged your car! Parts from all over!
 
Wow this is amazing! I hope I can keep my 91’ Previa running like what you have here! Parts are already getting hard to find, but you seriously jury rigged your car! Parts from all over!
What makes it easy in the case of the Subaru is how generic everything is. And the fact that it's carbureted with electronic ignition. Basically anything from that time period can be made to work. On a fuel injected car the same could be done, just a bit more difficult and would likely require running a standalone ECU like a Haltech or similar. That way you could use sensors, injectors, etc for any kind of car, and tune for it. That's the plan when I get my Cosworth Vega. The simplest Haltech standalone, GM MAP sensor, TPS, knock sensor, GM wideband O2, Mercury IGN1A coils, late model GM injectors. But that is a simple setup. One of the first modern style EFI cars available in the US. That engine is capable of over 250hp and over 8000RPM, naturally aspirated. Detonation tends to blow head gaskets. Modern EFI with a knock sensor, temp sensor, and an MLS head gasket should solve that.
 
I was thinking that CVT's could push this number down. As more vehicles come with them and they break, and then people junk the vehicle.
I think every new tech has one company fail hard (Nissan early adopter) and majority do fine. Toyota waits and engineers a long lasting version generally.
 
Nobody who has owned something from new would question the durability and reliability of cars of the past thirty years or more.
You do nothing other than routine maintenance for the first 100K+ and the thing starts, runs and drives just fine.
I say "owned from new" since only in that way do you actually know the car's maintenance history. Plenty of used cars for sale that have a host of undisclosed problems.
I've owned and daily driven cars well beyond the current average and found them to be pretty carefree.
How many old cars and trucks do you see plying the roads every day?
If you pay attention, it's a substantial fraction of those on out there.
Vehicles last a lot longer than many seem to think and are not terribly expensive to keep on the road, or at least the ones we've had haven't been. Rust is also not nearly the problem that it was back in the seventies and earlier.
 
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