Auto RX questions

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
And sprintman, you don't meet my criteria as a salesman. I used to use Auto-RX. I am 100% honest and I will give Auto-RX this-it did seem to stop a seal leak. But I have never seen any solid evidence that it really cleans engines. I stopped using Auto-RX a long time ago after a guy here said in a post he was receiving product under the table for promoting it. I don't know if that guy was telling the truth or not but that was it for me.

A professional sales person knows how to talk to customers sprintman. Your behavior is on display here. My behavior is on display. Everybody's behavior is on display. Everybody here can observe who is professional and who is not.


No integrity. You're out!

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Mystic

The standard of proof you are asking for seems inconsistent to me.

However, you seem to have put some strict conditions on compression testing but at the same time say personal testimony, which could be anything and need not be measured in any way, is acceptable.


His own personal testimony is that ARX works. And for some reason, it's good enough for mmo/kreen. But he demands more from ARX.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
And sprintman, you don't meet my criteria as a salesman. I used to use Auto-RX. I am 100% honest and I will give Auto-RX this-it did seem to stop a seal leak. But I have never seen any solid evidence that it really cleans engines. I stopped using Auto-RX a long time ago after a guy here said in a post he was receiving product under the table for promoting it. I don't know if that guy was telling the truth or not but that was it for me.

A professional sales person knows how to talk to customers sprintman. Your behavior is on display here. My behavior is on display. Everybody's behavior is on display. Everybody here can observe who is professional and who is not.


No integrity. You're out!


This guy he refers to is c3po. Who has come back here under two different names. He has also posted under the names Gary Allan, Gary Allan Jr, demarpaint, and dnewton3 around the web.

So I find it strange that he takes the guy's word that he received "free product." Enough to, despite his own claim that it works, stop using it.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Mystic

The standard of proof you are asking for seems inconsistent to me.

However, you seem to have put some strict conditions on compression testing but at the same time say personal testimony, which could be anything and need not be measured in any way, is acceptable.


His own personal testimony is that ARX works. And for some reason, it's good enough for mmo/kreen. But he demands more from ARX.

My own personal testimony is it doesn't work. For some reason when i say that i have an agenda.
If not wanting to see fellow BITOG members get hosed like i honestly feel i did then okay i guess you could call that an agenda.

Sure i recommend some products that i have had good experiences with and pass it along but at the end of the day it doesn't benefit or matter to me if someone uses them or not.
Next up is the new CRC Top engine Cleaner, since GM original is getting real scarce and Chryslers is no longer the original i need to find something that works well.
If it works as advertised i will post about it, if it doesn't it doesn't its really that simple.

In either case i am positive that CRC or their fan club will not be on BITOG telling me i didn't use it right, i'm to stupid to follow directions of even more stupid for actually following them at all because it cant work unless you think out of the box, i didn't drive it like i stole it, yada, yada yada.
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[Mystic]

Good grief Trajan, how many times am I going to have to quote you?

You put down MMO and Kreen a lot now don't you? Here is what you said on 7/16/2005, in a post entitled 'Marvel Mystery Oil Trial:

'My V6 Camero (3.8) would ping on leaving a light/stop sign. Techron, Seafoam, and Regane didn't stop it. But MMO does. It also seems quieter.'

Do you remember Trajan? Anybody who checks my posts will find that I have been very consistent. It fact I readily admit that Auto-RX seemed to stop a seal leak on a car I used to own. I don't try to conceal from anybody that I used Auto-RX in the past. But you keep bringing that up. And every time you bring that up I am going to bring up that you used to be a supporter of MMO. A product that you now put down. But you sure don't mention that today, do you? That you used to use MMO and you stated that it worked for you. Anybody can check and find what you said in that 7/16/2005 post entitled 'Marvel Mystery Oil Trial.' So the next time you attack somebody who says he was able to get good results with MMO I am going to be there again to quote you.

And look at the behavior of the Auto-RX promoters here. They like to attack people. Everybody can observe the behavior of these people. I would never use Auto-RX again just because of the behavior of the Auto-RX promoters here. These promoters attack several people. Somebody tells a story about a positive experience with MMO or Kreen and they might well be attacked, with demands for scientific proof. But we are supposed to trust sprintman's compression testing of vehicles where Auto-RX was used with no information about the quality of the compression tester and no independent verification. I already told sprintman I am not a pushover customer.

If somebody wants to sell a product they have to treat the potential customers with respect. I think they probably cover that in Economics 101 class. How to treat potential customers is the first thing the Auto-RX promoters here need to learn.

Trav is a professional mechanic. Has been for a long time. He tried Auto-RX in several vehicles and it did not work. And then he could not get a refund. You can't attack him very easily, can you? You can't challenge his professional credentials.

You also cannot challenge demarpaint very easily because of his 40 years experience using MMO with positive results.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Trav
In either case i am positive that CRC or their fan club will not be on BITOG telling me i didn't use it right, i'm to stupid to follow directions of even more stupid for actually following them at all because it cant work unless you think out of the box, i didn't drive it like i stole it, yada, yada yada.


And it does get a bit old, eh?

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
There is an Auto-RX website. Frank, who owns Auto-RX, used to be a member here but is not a member now. If anybody here wants to learn more about Auto-RX perhaps they should visit the website for Auto-RX. I assume that all of the people who like to promote Auto-RX here are unofficial. So to get the official information about Auto-RX people should visit the website.


This and ditto it for MMO sinc MMO also has their own forum.

 

[Mystic]

I think this Oil Additives Section is for people to be able to discuss their experiences with engine cleaners and oil supplements. So when will it be possible for people here to once again be able to discuss engine cleaners and oil supplements such as MMO and Kreen and not experience attacks?

I don't have a problem with anybody discussing whatever engine cleaner or oil supplement they want to discuss. If somebody wants to talk about MMO, Kreen, Auto-RX Plus, whatever. It should be okay. That is what the Oil Additives Section is for, correct? And we expect for there to be back and forth discussion. But there is a difference between back and forth discussion and somebody being attacked because they tried MMO or Kreen.

Certain people will soon show up and demand scientific proof. We are not going to get scientific proof for any of these products unless they are sold by a major oil company. People who test these products might have other information like compression testing or before and after photographs and that is all okay.

Now if it is not going to be possible for people to discuss MMO or Kreen and if it is not going to be possible to discuss Auto-RX Plus without a lot of problems maybe discussion of these products needs to be banned. That will probably solve the problems. I think that would stop a lot of the problems here. No more discussion about MMO, Kreen, or Auto-RX.

 

[kschachn]

Heh, your inflated post count supports my notion that you think pretty highly of yourself, eh?

Originally Posted By: sprintman
No integrity. You're out!

 

[Mystic]

And sprintman was gone for a while also kschachn. For quite a while. He did come here sooner then me but I have only about 60% as many posts as him. And I have been here over ten years. He has insulted lots of people here. If you do a little research you will find him saying a lot of stuff about various people he disagrees with.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
And sprintman was gone for a while also kschachn. For quite a while. He did come here sooner then me but I have only about 60% as many posts as him. And I have been here over ten years. He has insulted lots of people here. If you do a little research you will find him saying a lot of stuff about various people he disagrees with.


This leads to a vacation as many here can attest...

 

[Mystic]

What do you think of the idea of banning any discussions about Auto-RX, MMO, or Kreen? Most of the problems here seem to come about when these products are discussed.

We could make a suggestion to Helen and if she agreed and discussions about these three products was banned it would eliminate a lot of the problems here.

 

[Trajan]

It does work. Try as they might, they can't refute the evidence provided by dnewton3 or the late Gary Allan.

My advice, from one who has used it, is run it for the entire OCI.

And while you can use synthetic oil, it will work better with conventional oil. The esters in ARX can conflict with esters in the syn oil. Which means it will take longer.

Take a compression test both before and after. That will be the best way to determine if it worked or not.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
What do you think of the idea of banning any discussions about Auto-RX, MMO, or Kreen? Most of the problems here seem to come about when these products are discussed.

We could make a suggestion to Helen and if she agreed and discussions about these three products was banned it would eliminate a lot of the problems here.


I don't believe in banned topics. I do believe in rules for discussions.

I moderate at a forum and we let a lot go on that never is allowed here, but we can play hardball if we need to.

I say let them talk, it's a discussion forum and they have as much right to speak as we do.

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: Mystic
There is an Auto-RX website. Frank, who owns Auto-RX, used to be a member here but is not a member now. If anybody here wants to learn more about Auto-RX perhaps they should visit the website for Auto-RX. I assume that all of the people who like to promote Auto-RX here are unofficial. So to get the official information about Auto-RX people should visit the website.


This and ditto it for MMO sinc MMO also has their own forum.


So what is being said? That ARX can't be discussed here? But yet, nothing about all the unofficial promoting of mmo/kreen?

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Heh, your inflated post count supports my notion that you think pretty highly of yourself, eh?

Originally Posted By: sprintman
No integrity. You're out!


Founding member. Get over yourself!

 

[sprintman]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Mystic
And sprintman was gone for a while also kschachn. For quite a while. He did come here sooner then me but I have only about 60% as many posts as him. And I have been here over ten years. He has insulted lots of people here. If you do a little research you will find him saying a lot of stuff about various people he disagrees with.


This leads to a vacation as many here can attest...


You can't actually be banned on any forum, at least not if you understand IT basics.

 

[Mystic]

Trajan, can you understand what is said in posts and replies? I said that Auto-RX, MMO, and Kreen discussion all be banned. Read my posts.

 

[Mystic]

sprintman: 'You can't actually be banned on any forum, at least not if you understand IT basics.'

So sprintman, if you get banned here you would keep coming back with a new user name like Mori (Tom)? Mori is a troubled individual.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Trajan, can you understand what is said in posts and replies? I said that Auto-RX, MMO, and Kreen discussion all be banned. Read my posts.



Good idea, with no exceptions, no test results, no pictures, no compression readings, no new product information, nothing. I have a feeling one of the three company owners might not be happy, but for the sake of fairness ban discussion of all three products. Refer members to the website of each company to ask questions or discuss the products. Honestly everything that can be said about all three products has been said, and should remain in the archives to view. My 2¢.