I can't imagine that being out of line. It's not like ARx is a sponsor or anything.
Auto-Rx & MMO
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Just use one at a time then there can't be a conflict
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Well once the A-rX people get into work on Monday we may hear something to the contrary. Anyone want to bet? IMO the A-rX people hate MMO, why would they want the products mixed? Even if the end result is a cleaner engine.
AD
Mods if you feel this statement is out of line please remove this post. I am just stating my feelings based on reading through many threads here on Bitog.
I got a response from arx about what I posted and they said ARX will cancel out any other oil additive, I basically said show me the proof, I just got the same response back. I cannot go by what someone tells me without proof. On the MMO site someone asked if MMO would mix with other oil additives, and the answer was YES. I have been doing this arx and MMO mixing thing for 7000 miles and everything is fine.
I feel that by arx taking cheap shots at this post it only makes them look bad, on the MMO board they do not take cheap shots at other oil additives. It is not my problem that arx is upset that I am mixing another oil additive with there product, when you sell a product you have no control over what the person buying the product will do.
Saying that arx will cancel out MMO is like me saying to someone who has just added ketchup to their hamburger and then they want too add mustard that the ketchup is going to cancel out the taste of the mustard.
If I were making a response to this thread from arx's point of view this is what I would have said:
I am glad your experiment with mixing arx and MMO is working and I wish you the best of luck and success, but if there is a problem you cannot blame arx since we do not advise mixing our product with any other oil additive.
This statement lets arx share in the success of this experiment if it works out, and if it does not, it gets them off the hook, its a win win situation for arx, and a win maybe lose situation for MMO, no matter what happens arx does not look bad because this is the 1st product that I used.
Well once the A-rX people get into work on Monday we may hear something to the contrary. Anyone want to bet? IMO the A-rX people hate MMO, why would they want the products mixed? Even if the end result is a cleaner engine.
AD
Mods if you feel this statement is out of line please remove this post. I am just stating my feelings based on reading through many threads here on Bitog.
I got a response from arx about what I posted and they said ARX will cancel out any other oil additive, I basically said show me the proof, I just got the same response back. I cannot go by what someone tells me without proof. On the MMO site someone asked if MMO would mix with other oil additives, and the answer was YES. I have been doing this arx and MMO mixing thing for 7000 miles and everything is fine.
I feel that by arx taking cheap shots at this post it only makes them look bad, on the MMO board they do not take cheap shots at other oil additives. It is not my problem that arx is upset that I am mixing another oil additive with there product, when you sell a product you have no control over what the person buying the product will do.
Saying that arx will cancel out MMO is like me saying to someone who has just added ketchup to their hamburger and then they want too add mustard that the ketchup is going to cancel out the taste of the mustard.
If I were making a response to this thread from arx's point of view this is what I would have said:
I am glad your experiment with mixing arx and MMO is working and I wish you the best of luck and success, but if there is a problem you cannot blame arx since we do not advise mixing our product with any other oil additive.
This statement lets arx share in the success of this experiment if it works out, and if it does not, it gets them off the hook, its a win win situation for arx, and a win maybe lose situation for MMO, no matter what happens arx does not look bad because this is the 1st product that I used.
There may be potential for the oil of wintergreen and the Auto RX to not get along too well.
Oil of wintergreen is an ester. Auto RX shouldn't be combined with other esters.
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Oil of wintergreen is an ester. Auto RX shouldn't be combined with other esters.
The only time auto-rx should not be combined with an ester is during the Clean and Rinse Phases, I am well past those phases.
Oil of wintergreen is an ester. Auto RX shouldn't be combined with other esters.
The only time auto-rx should not be combined with an ester is during the Clean and Rinse Phases, I am well past those phases.
Would someone who has posting privileges on bitog put this up with my compliments on there string Auto-Rx & MMO they are so afraid of Auto-Rx they now have attacked a very respected member of both boards (there and ours) because he won't knuckle under.
First it was Terry Dyson than myself. Now R.E. it is never going to stop when you have "so many others fabricating the latest rumor as fact"
Detergents And Solvents
Many of the older, better-known oil treatments on the market do
not make claims nearly so lavish as the new upstarts. Old standbys
like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil, instead offer things
like "quieter lifters," "reduced oil burning" and a "cleaner
engine."
Most of these products are made up of solvents and detergents
designed to dissolve sludge and carbon deposits inside your engine so
they can be flushed or burned out. Wynn's Friction Proofing Oil, for
example, is 83 percent kerosene. Other brands use naphthalene,
xylene, acetone and isopropanol. Usually, these ingredients will be
found in a base of standard mineral oil.
In general, these products are designed to do just the opposite
of what the PTFE and zinc phosphate additives claim to do. Instead of
leaving behind a "coating" or a "plating" on your engine surfaces,
they are designed to strip away such things.
All of these products will strip sludge and deposits out and
clean up your engine, particularly if it is an older, abused one. The
problem is, unless you have some way of determining just how much is
needed to remove your deposits without going any further, such
solvents also can strip away the boundary lubrication layer provided
by your oil. Overuse of solvents is an easy trap to fall into, and
one which can promote harmful metal-to-metal contact within your
engine.
As a general rule of thumb these products had their place and
were at least moderately useful on older automobile and motorcycle
engines of the Fifties and Sixties, but are basically unneeded on the
First it was Terry Dyson than myself. Now R.E. it is never going to stop when you have "so many others fabricating the latest rumor as fact"
Detergents And Solvents
Many of the older, better-known oil treatments on the market do
not make claims nearly so lavish as the new upstarts. Old standbys
like Bardahl, Rislone and Marvel Mystery Oil, instead offer things
like "quieter lifters," "reduced oil burning" and a "cleaner
engine."
Most of these products are made up of solvents and detergents
designed to dissolve sludge and carbon deposits inside your engine so
they can be flushed or burned out. Wynn's Friction Proofing Oil, for
example, is 83 percent kerosene. Other brands use naphthalene,
xylene, acetone and isopropanol. Usually, these ingredients will be
found in a base of standard mineral oil.
In general, these products are designed to do just the opposite
of what the PTFE and zinc phosphate additives claim to do. Instead of
leaving behind a "coating" or a "plating" on your engine surfaces,
they are designed to strip away such things.
All of these products will strip sludge and deposits out and
clean up your engine, particularly if it is an older, abused one. The
problem is, unless you have some way of determining just how much is
needed to remove your deposits without going any further, such
solvents also can strip away the boundary lubrication layer provided
by your oil. Overuse of solvents is an easy trap to fall into, and
one which can promote harmful metal-to-metal contact within your
engine.
As a general rule of thumb these products had their place and
were at least moderately useful on older automobile and motorcycle
engines of the Fifties and Sixties, but are basically unneeded on the
What?
I have read the above statement and all I ask are where are the TESTS that arx has done that prove these products are harmful too today's engines.
My observations have shown that not only does MMO have some cleaning properties but they also have some lubricating properties as well.
Before using MMO in the fuel and oil on my car I was getting 19 m.p.g. Now I am getting between 21.5 and 22 m.p.g. The car starts right up, does not smoke on startup, meaning a puff of smoke when starting the car. This car is also flat out more responsive.
I really feel many of us are getting tired of hearing about how bad all of these other oil additives are without any proof, just because someone over at arx says something are we supposed to take that statement as a concrete fact when you have obviously done no tests too prove your point.
I have had so many arx user's who have had 150,000 miles or less do 3 Clean and Rinses and there issues have not been resolved. Anytine someone claims that arx is not working the official arx response is that the person is doing something wrong.
This product was designed to clean Printing Presses that run on hydraulic oil, these printing presses are in a closed environment and since these machines are not like a car engine, there is no air introduced, when you introduce air into an engine you are bringing in dirt. It is my observation that the junk in car engines is much more complex and probably harder than the deposits in a printing press.
I believe this product was 1st tested on an automatic transmission, which is basically a closed system and uses some kind of hydraulic oil.
Auto-Rx worked wonders on my:
1) Transmission
2) Powersteering
3) Differential
These are all closed systems, and many members on here have raved about how well arx has cleaned there transmissions.
Many members have also responded that arx did not clean up the varnish in there valvetrain, if arx does not clean something like varnish or discolorization then the arx response is that it does not matter, I take that as a foolish statement.
If arx is the only product too clean our engines then why were so many people adding:
1) MMO
2) Neutra
3) Schaeffer's 132
They were adding these products towards the end of there oil change, usually 500 miles before there oil change, many people were doing this exact thing before I started doing this, I got this idea from an auto-rx user.
Before using MMO I asked my Dad's friend who was a mechanic for UPS from 1960 to 1995, I said are there any problems with MMO, he said NO, as long as you follow the directions, he has been using MMO since 1955.
My thread has been meant to show that another oil additive will work with auto-rx and if you read what I wrote when I started this thread I did not attack auto-rx in any way shape or form, but the arx people seem to think because we are talking about MMO that we are attacking arx.
ARX has its own forum, but it just does not get much traffic, I have tried in previous posts to get people who are interested in the product to visit the site.
I was reading the thread about MMO for a full OCI, and arx comes over and tries to put there 2 cents in there, I think many of us are tired of arx's bullying tactics, jumping into threads that have nothing too do with arx.
This thread is about both arx and MMO, it is not about which one is better. I do not see anyone who uses MMO attacking arx, that's because MMO can stand on its own.
My observations have shown that not only does MMO have some cleaning properties but they also have some lubricating properties as well.
Before using MMO in the fuel and oil on my car I was getting 19 m.p.g. Now I am getting between 21.5 and 22 m.p.g. The car starts right up, does not smoke on startup, meaning a puff of smoke when starting the car. This car is also flat out more responsive.
I really feel many of us are getting tired of hearing about how bad all of these other oil additives are without any proof, just because someone over at arx says something are we supposed to take that statement as a concrete fact when you have obviously done no tests too prove your point.
I have had so many arx user's who have had 150,000 miles or less do 3 Clean and Rinses and there issues have not been resolved. Anytine someone claims that arx is not working the official arx response is that the person is doing something wrong.
This product was designed to clean Printing Presses that run on hydraulic oil, these printing presses are in a closed environment and since these machines are not like a car engine, there is no air introduced, when you introduce air into an engine you are bringing in dirt. It is my observation that the junk in car engines is much more complex and probably harder than the deposits in a printing press.
I believe this product was 1st tested on an automatic transmission, which is basically a closed system and uses some kind of hydraulic oil.
Auto-Rx worked wonders on my:
1) Transmission
2) Powersteering
3) Differential
These are all closed systems, and many members on here have raved about how well arx has cleaned there transmissions.
Many members have also responded that arx did not clean up the varnish in there valvetrain, if arx does not clean something like varnish or discolorization then the arx response is that it does not matter, I take that as a foolish statement.
If arx is the only product too clean our engines then why were so many people adding:
1) MMO
2) Neutra
3) Schaeffer's 132
They were adding these products towards the end of there oil change, usually 500 miles before there oil change, many people were doing this exact thing before I started doing this, I got this idea from an auto-rx user.
Before using MMO I asked my Dad's friend who was a mechanic for UPS from 1960 to 1995, I said are there any problems with MMO, he said NO, as long as you follow the directions, he has been using MMO since 1955.
My thread has been meant to show that another oil additive will work with auto-rx and if you read what I wrote when I started this thread I did not attack auto-rx in any way shape or form, but the arx people seem to think because we are talking about MMO that we are attacking arx.
ARX has its own forum, but it just does not get much traffic, I have tried in previous posts to get people who are interested in the product to visit the site.
I was reading the thread about MMO for a full OCI, and arx comes over and tries to put there 2 cents in there, I think many of us are tired of arx's bullying tactics, jumping into threads that have nothing too do with arx.
This thread is about both arx and MMO, it is not about which one is better. I do not see anyone who uses MMO attacking arx, that's because MMO can stand on its own.
Originally Posted By: dbdeland
Would someone who has posting privileges on bitog put this up with my compliments on there string Auto-Rx & MMO they are so afraid of Auto-Rx they now have attacked a very respected member of both boards (there and ours) because he won't knuckle under.
I'd say it is the exact opposite and hypocritical as [censored].
Anytime MMO, LC20, (insert your another oil additive here), was mentioned Frank and his minions would come into threads UNRELATED to AutoRx and start [censored] all over the competing product. Frank and his minions would send unsolicited, derogatory PMs to forum members (I being the recipient of some) because we dared ask the forum community about MMO, LC20, (insert another oil additive here).
I'd say that this board, as a whole, has great respect for AutoRx (the product itself). We've had great success with it. But guess what.....it's not the only product on the market. AutoRx is not the end-all, be-all. Us BITOGers are experimenters and if we can find another product that gives us VERIFIABLE and SAFE results for a great price.....so be it. This community is richer from the knowledge that is shared.
Everyone needs to stop acting like they just got their lunch money stolen.
Would someone who has posting privileges on bitog put this up with my compliments on there string Auto-Rx & MMO they are so afraid of Auto-Rx they now have attacked a very respected member of both boards (there and ours) because he won't knuckle under.
I'd say it is the exact opposite and hypocritical as [censored].
Anytime MMO, LC20, (insert your another oil additive here), was mentioned Frank and his minions would come into threads UNRELATED to AutoRx and start [censored] all over the competing product. Frank and his minions would send unsolicited, derogatory PMs to forum members (I being the recipient of some) because we dared ask the forum community about MMO, LC20, (insert another oil additive here).
I'd say that this board, as a whole, has great respect for AutoRx (the product itself). We've had great success with it. But guess what.....it's not the only product on the market. AutoRx is not the end-all, be-all. Us BITOGers are experimenters and if we can find another product that gives us VERIFIABLE and SAFE results for a great price.....so be it. This community is richer from the knowledge that is shared.
Everyone needs to stop acting like they just got their lunch money stolen.
Nicely put Greggy D. No one ever contacted me as they did you, but A-rX is always defended and anytime another cleaning additive is mentioned it is quickly attacked. That is getting old, and fast!
I've communicated with members, made friends with one who had positive results with A-rX, as well as MMO. Seems both work. Old technology or not MMO works, this isn't rocket science. I tell stories of my dad adding it to oil as well as gas, add him to the list of never having a problem with the stuff, or an engine damaged by it.
The board is about sharing knowledge, and as you said if something that sells for under $5/qt works more power to it!
AD
I've communicated with members, made friends with one who had positive results with A-rX, as well as MMO. Seems both work. Old technology or not MMO works, this isn't rocket science. I tell stories of my dad adding it to oil as well as gas, add him to the list of never having a problem with the stuff, or an engine damaged by it.
The board is about sharing knowledge, and as you said if something that sells for under $5/qt works more power to it!
AD
Originally Posted By: c3po
I have read the above statement and all I ask are where are the TESTS that arx has done that prove these products are harmful too today's engines.
My observations have shown that not only does MMO have some cleaning properties but they also have some lubricating properties as well.
Before using MMO in the fuel and oil on my car I was getting 19 m.p.g. Now I am getting between 21.5 and 22 m.p.g. The car starts right up, does not smoke on startup, meaning a puff of smoke when starting the car. This car is also flat out more responsive.
I really feel many of us are getting tired of hearing about how bad all of these other oil additives are without any proof, just because someone over at arx says something are we supposed to take that statement as a concrete fact when you have obviously done no tests too prove your point.
I have had so many arx user's who have had 150,000 miles or less do 3 Clean and Rinses and there issues have not been resolved. Anytine someone claims that arx is not working the official arx response is that the person is doing something wrong.
This product was designed to clean Printing Presses that run on hydraulic oil, these printing presses are in a closed environment and since these machines are not like a car engine, there is no air introduced, when you introduce air into an engine you are bringing in dirt. It is my observation that the junk in car engines is much more complex and probably harder than the deposits in a printing press.
I believe this product was 1st tested on an automatic transmission, which is basically a closed system and uses some kind of hydraulic oil.
Auto-Rx worked wonders on my:
1) Transmission
2) Powersteering
3) Differential
These are all closed systems, and many members on here have raved about how well arx has cleaned there transmissions.
Many members have also responded that arx did not clean up the varnish in there valvetrain, if arx does not clean something like varnish or discolorization then the arx response is that it does not matter, I take that as a foolish statement.
If arx is the only product too clean our engines then why were so many people adding:
1) MMO
2) Neutra
3) Schaeffer's 132
They were adding these products towards the end of there oil change, usually 500 miles before there oil change, many people were doing this exact thing before I started doing this, I got this idea from an auto-rx user.
Before using MMO I asked my Dad's friend who was a mechanic for UPS from 1960 to 1995, I said are there any problems with MMO, he said NO, as long as you follow the directions, he has been using MMO since 1955.
My thread has been meant to show that another oil additive will work with auto-rx and if you read what I wrote when I started this thread I did not attack auto-rx in any way shape or form, but the arx people seem to think because we are talking about MMO that we are attacking arx.
ARX has its own forum, but it just does not get much traffic, I have tried in previous posts to get people who are interested in the product to visit the site.
I was reading the thread about MMO for a full OCI, and arx comes over and tries to put there 2 cents in there, I think many of us are tired of arx's bullying tactics, jumping into threads that have nothing too do with arx.
This thread is about both arx and MMO, it is not about which one is better. I do not see anyone who uses MMO attacking arx, that's because MMO can stand on its own.
Well said C3PO and very informative.
There is room enough in BITOG land for many products. There are other products beyond ARX that work well in automotive applications.
Thanks!
I have read the above statement and all I ask are where are the TESTS that arx has done that prove these products are harmful too today's engines.
My observations have shown that not only does MMO have some cleaning properties but they also have some lubricating properties as well.
Before using MMO in the fuel and oil on my car I was getting 19 m.p.g. Now I am getting between 21.5 and 22 m.p.g. The car starts right up, does not smoke on startup, meaning a puff of smoke when starting the car. This car is also flat out more responsive.
I really feel many of us are getting tired of hearing about how bad all of these other oil additives are without any proof, just because someone over at arx says something are we supposed to take that statement as a concrete fact when you have obviously done no tests too prove your point.
I have had so many arx user's who have had 150,000 miles or less do 3 Clean and Rinses and there issues have not been resolved. Anytine someone claims that arx is not working the official arx response is that the person is doing something wrong.
This product was designed to clean Printing Presses that run on hydraulic oil, these printing presses are in a closed environment and since these machines are not like a car engine, there is no air introduced, when you introduce air into an engine you are bringing in dirt. It is my observation that the junk in car engines is much more complex and probably harder than the deposits in a printing press.
I believe this product was 1st tested on an automatic transmission, which is basically a closed system and uses some kind of hydraulic oil.
Auto-Rx worked wonders on my:
1) Transmission
2) Powersteering
3) Differential
These are all closed systems, and many members on here have raved about how well arx has cleaned there transmissions.
Many members have also responded that arx did not clean up the varnish in there valvetrain, if arx does not clean something like varnish or discolorization then the arx response is that it does not matter, I take that as a foolish statement.
If arx is the only product too clean our engines then why were so many people adding:
1) MMO
2) Neutra
3) Schaeffer's 132
They were adding these products towards the end of there oil change, usually 500 miles before there oil change, many people were doing this exact thing before I started doing this, I got this idea from an auto-rx user.
Before using MMO I asked my Dad's friend who was a mechanic for UPS from 1960 to 1995, I said are there any problems with MMO, he said NO, as long as you follow the directions, he has been using MMO since 1955.
My thread has been meant to show that another oil additive will work with auto-rx and if you read what I wrote when I started this thread I did not attack auto-rx in any way shape or form, but the arx people seem to think because we are talking about MMO that we are attacking arx.
ARX has its own forum, but it just does not get much traffic, I have tried in previous posts to get people who are interested in the product to visit the site.
I was reading the thread about MMO for a full OCI, and arx comes over and tries to put there 2 cents in there, I think many of us are tired of arx's bullying tactics, jumping into threads that have nothing too do with arx.
This thread is about both arx and MMO, it is not about which one is better. I do not see anyone who uses MMO attacking arx, that's because MMO can stand on its own.
Well said C3PO and very informative.
There is room enough in BITOG land for many products. There are other products beyond ARX that work well in automotive applications.
Thanks!
c3po,
How about this post you did on the ARX Discussion Board. what can we believe ?
We all want too get fast results with auto-rx, the problem is that this may take sometime and miles. Many people have used cars that they have bought so the maintenance history may be unknown.
Realistically a person who buys a new car and holds onto it for a few years and then sells it may not take car of the car as well as someone who buys a new car and holds onto it for a long time.
I started auto-rx in my El Camino at 343,000 miles and I now have 372,000 miles. I have done 3 Clean and Rinses and I am now doing the Maintenance Dose at each oil change. I would have to say that in the last 5000 miles that this car has been running fantastic.
It is realistic that if you have contaniments in your engine that it will take some miles to clean everything up, I have been doing the auto-rx thing for 29,000 miles.
I would say that a realistic scenario is to take your current mileage on your car and divide it by ten.
In my case 343,000 miles divided by ten would be 34,000 miles.
If you have 100,000 miles then it may take 10,000 miles to clean everything up.
If you have 200,000 miles then it may take 20,000 miles to clean everything up.
If auto-rx can clean a small block chevy with a carburetor up then it will be no problem cleaning up a newer car that has fuel injection.
Before auto-rx I had seriously considered a new engine for my El Camino but now I plan on just keeping this engine on the car since it runs better now than it did before auto-rx.
I do not know of any small block chevy's out there that have 372,000 miles. This engine does not smoke on startup or leak and consume any oil. I have read of many small block chevy's that have had these problems at about 200,000 miles or less.
My engine was doing these things before auto-rx, since auto-rx these problems have gone away. I remember before auto-rx having to hit the accelerator hard to get the car up to 40 to 50 miles per hour, if I do that now the car is almost up to 65 miles per hour. Basically I have to take it easy on the gas peddle now.
Follow the application instructions for the Clean and Rinse Phases and then go onto the Maintenance Dose and you will not be dissapointed.
How about this post you did on the ARX Discussion Board. what can we believe ?
We all want too get fast results with auto-rx, the problem is that this may take sometime and miles. Many people have used cars that they have bought so the maintenance history may be unknown.
Realistically a person who buys a new car and holds onto it for a few years and then sells it may not take car of the car as well as someone who buys a new car and holds onto it for a long time.
I started auto-rx in my El Camino at 343,000 miles and I now have 372,000 miles. I have done 3 Clean and Rinses and I am now doing the Maintenance Dose at each oil change. I would have to say that in the last 5000 miles that this car has been running fantastic.
It is realistic that if you have contaniments in your engine that it will take some miles to clean everything up, I have been doing the auto-rx thing for 29,000 miles.
I would say that a realistic scenario is to take your current mileage on your car and divide it by ten.
In my case 343,000 miles divided by ten would be 34,000 miles.
If you have 100,000 miles then it may take 10,000 miles to clean everything up.
If you have 200,000 miles then it may take 20,000 miles to clean everything up.
If auto-rx can clean a small block chevy with a carburetor up then it will be no problem cleaning up a newer car that has fuel injection.
Before auto-rx I had seriously considered a new engine for my El Camino but now I plan on just keeping this engine on the car since it runs better now than it did before auto-rx.
I do not know of any small block chevy's out there that have 372,000 miles. This engine does not smoke on startup or leak and consume any oil. I have read of many small block chevy's that have had these problems at about 200,000 miles or less.
My engine was doing these things before auto-rx, since auto-rx these problems have gone away. I remember before auto-rx having to hit the accelerator hard to get the car up to 40 to 50 miles per hour, if I do that now the car is almost up to 65 miles per hour. Basically I have to take it easy on the gas peddle now.
Follow the application instructions for the Clean and Rinse Phases and then go onto the Maintenance Dose and you will not be dissapointed.
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The car was running fantastic in the last 5000 miles because of the MMO added too the auto-rx, what did you guys think I was going to mention MMO on the auto-rx website, please.
I just thought it would be nice to give auto-rx credit since Frank was nice enough too give me a free case of arx, that's 24 bottles guys.
Of course I turned around and bought 24 bottles from Frank and he added in 6 more bottles, so you can see that with 30 free bottles of arx I made auto-rx sound good but I kind of left out the MMO part, gives Frank's hatred of MMO.
I would also like to make another post which is your reply to my doing this test.
I just thought it would be nice to give auto-rx credit since Frank was nice enough too give me a free case of arx, that's 24 bottles guys.
Of course I turned around and bought 24 bottles from Frank and he added in 6 more bottles, so you can see that with 30 free bottles of arx I made auto-rx sound good but I kind of left out the MMO part, gives Frank's hatred of MMO.
I would also like to make another post which is your reply to my doing this test.
Brent,
Frank read the post you did on BITOG in regards to mixing ARX and MMO he was very upset that he was not told about this he has always informed everyone that wants to mix additives with ARX that it will cancel out the additive. I am just relaying a message from Frank.
Daryl
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Daryl, I have read too many posts on BITOG about people not getting results with arx for various reasons, it is obvious that arx is a mild cleaner, probably good at cleaning sludge but if you have hard carbon that has been in an engine a very long time arx may need some help, if you look at my post I did not say that MMO was better than arx, I feel they compliment one another. I had some guys who like MMO who wanted me too say that MMO was better, that is not something I will do. I talked with Helen and she told me too say look arx did a lot of cleaning and MMO is doing some cleaning too. Has Frank tested other additives too see if arx would cancel them out, where's the proof or is Frank just saying this. I have gotten over 50 pm's from guys on BITOG who really enjoyed my post, alot of people are sick of this notion that arx is the only product to use. I know Frank did not develop arx for automobiles, he developed it for printing presses that run on hydraulic fluid and these printing presses are inside a building under a controlled environment, air is not introduced like it is an automobile engine. Every time Rick20 posts it just makes the thread grow. You have some moderators who are doing the same thing that I am doing as well as many auto-rx users, they were doing this before I was doing what I am doing.
When I started arx Gary Allan told me that my engine would be clean in 10,000 miles, obviously this is not the case, I have stated in my post that I tried running the MMO by itself, and it did not run quite as well so I put in 4 ounces of arx. If you notice there is no one except Rick20 who has shot down what I am doing, that's probably because a lot of other people are doing the same thing, when Rick20 posts everyone knows or thinks he is posting through Frank and he is not giving his own opinion. I had too stop posting for Frank because one minute he would say I was not harsh enough and the next minute I was too harsh. We both know why Frank was kicked off BITOG, the board is growing every day, on a board like this you have to take the middle ground and not offend anyone. Gary Allan's posts in there are good, Rick 20's are a joke.
If I was Rick20 this is what my response would be:
I am glad your experiment is working but auto-rx does not condone mixing any other oil additives like MMO with our product, if it works great, but if it does not you cannot blame auto-rx since you have put in another oil additive. Good luck with your experiment and keep us posted with your results.
This statement gets auto-rx off the hook if there are any problems, and if everything turns out well then auto-rx shares in the results, the statement is a win win situation for arx. I cannot believe that you guys could not come up with a statement like this, or you should have PMed me before Rick20 stuck his foot in his mouth. The best thing to do is let this post take its course.
You have too also realize that Gary Allan takes the middle ground because he is an Amsoil Dealer trying too sell product, I put some MMO in my Marauder and it did nothing because it was already clean, but if your engine is really dirty or carboned up then MMO can help arx out since the product meaning arx was never designed to clean an engine.
Everytime Rick20 through Frank attacks another oil additive or takes cheap shots at it, this hurts arx, I have gotten PM's from people who will not buy arx becuase of Rick20's posting.
If Frank is upset that I am using MMO then he needs to be upset with a lot of other people, the reason I posted was because a few guys find out from the guy who turned me onto MMO that I was using it and they were going to post about why is C3PO ( Brent) using MMO while he is using arx.
I have quite a few people who were on the fence about arx tell me now they are going to give arx a try and then add some MMO, Frank will still be selling product and that is what matters.
The world does not operate the way Frank or myself would want it too, just realize on a board like BITOG there are alot of people experimenting.
Brent
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Brent,
you missed my point AUTO-RX will cancel out additives this is not my doing it is what Frank has said and he invented it.I reall do not care what you promote that is up to you.
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Daryl, show me the proof, this just sounds like something Frank is saying so no one will use another oil additive with arx. If my car is running better and the oil is coming out dirtier my observations prove this is not happening.
Brent
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Brent,
If you want the proof ask him his is the inventor case closed.
Daryl
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Frank read the post you did on BITOG in regards to mixing ARX and MMO he was very upset that he was not told about this he has always informed everyone that wants to mix additives with ARX that it will cancel out the additive. I am just relaying a message from Frank.
Daryl
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Daryl, I have read too many posts on BITOG about people not getting results with arx for various reasons, it is obvious that arx is a mild cleaner, probably good at cleaning sludge but if you have hard carbon that has been in an engine a very long time arx may need some help, if you look at my post I did not say that MMO was better than arx, I feel they compliment one another. I had some guys who like MMO who wanted me too say that MMO was better, that is not something I will do. I talked with Helen and she told me too say look arx did a lot of cleaning and MMO is doing some cleaning too. Has Frank tested other additives too see if arx would cancel them out, where's the proof or is Frank just saying this. I have gotten over 50 pm's from guys on BITOG who really enjoyed my post, alot of people are sick of this notion that arx is the only product to use. I know Frank did not develop arx for automobiles, he developed it for printing presses that run on hydraulic fluid and these printing presses are inside a building under a controlled environment, air is not introduced like it is an automobile engine. Every time Rick20 posts it just makes the thread grow. You have some moderators who are doing the same thing that I am doing as well as many auto-rx users, they were doing this before I was doing what I am doing.
When I started arx Gary Allan told me that my engine would be clean in 10,000 miles, obviously this is not the case, I have stated in my post that I tried running the MMO by itself, and it did not run quite as well so I put in 4 ounces of arx. If you notice there is no one except Rick20 who has shot down what I am doing, that's probably because a lot of other people are doing the same thing, when Rick20 posts everyone knows or thinks he is posting through Frank and he is not giving his own opinion. I had too stop posting for Frank because one minute he would say I was not harsh enough and the next minute I was too harsh. We both know why Frank was kicked off BITOG, the board is growing every day, on a board like this you have to take the middle ground and not offend anyone. Gary Allan's posts in there are good, Rick 20's are a joke.
If I was Rick20 this is what my response would be:
I am glad your experiment is working but auto-rx does not condone mixing any other oil additives like MMO with our product, if it works great, but if it does not you cannot blame auto-rx since you have put in another oil additive. Good luck with your experiment and keep us posted with your results.
This statement gets auto-rx off the hook if there are any problems, and if everything turns out well then auto-rx shares in the results, the statement is a win win situation for arx. I cannot believe that you guys could not come up with a statement like this, or you should have PMed me before Rick20 stuck his foot in his mouth. The best thing to do is let this post take its course.
You have too also realize that Gary Allan takes the middle ground because he is an Amsoil Dealer trying too sell product, I put some MMO in my Marauder and it did nothing because it was already clean, but if your engine is really dirty or carboned up then MMO can help arx out since the product meaning arx was never designed to clean an engine.
Everytime Rick20 through Frank attacks another oil additive or takes cheap shots at it, this hurts arx, I have gotten PM's from people who will not buy arx becuase of Rick20's posting.
If Frank is upset that I am using MMO then he needs to be upset with a lot of other people, the reason I posted was because a few guys find out from the guy who turned me onto MMO that I was using it and they were going to post about why is C3PO ( Brent) using MMO while he is using arx.
I have quite a few people who were on the fence about arx tell me now they are going to give arx a try and then add some MMO, Frank will still be selling product and that is what matters.
The world does not operate the way Frank or myself would want it too, just realize on a board like BITOG there are alot of people experimenting.
Brent
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Brent,
you missed my point AUTO-RX will cancel out additives this is not my doing it is what Frank has said and he invented it.I reall do not care what you promote that is up to you.
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Daryl, show me the proof, this just sounds like something Frank is saying so no one will use another oil additive with arx. If my car is running better and the oil is coming out dirtier my observations prove this is not happening.
Brent
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Brent,
If you want the proof ask him his is the inventor case closed.
Daryl
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Daryl, did not respond to my last PM where I told him I did not need any proof since I knew frank had not done any tests.
I want to say that yes I received free product from Frank, but I told him I would only post my observations, obviously since I did receive free product then everyone here has a right to object to any auto-rx post that I ever made on here, meaning you may question what I have said in any auto-rx post.
I hope everyone here can see that I am not an auto-rx robot or an auto-rx cheerleader, I am doing what is best for my car.
Frank did not have the guts to even PM me, he has to have someone else do his dirty work, I officially quit and resign from being a moderator on auto-rx, I am my own man and not one of Frank's puppets.
I want to say that yes I received free product from Frank, but I told him I would only post my observations, obviously since I did receive free product then everyone here has a right to object to any auto-rx post that I ever made on here, meaning you may question what I have said in any auto-rx post.
I hope everyone here can see that I am not an auto-rx robot or an auto-rx cheerleader, I am doing what is best for my car.
Frank did not have the guts to even PM me, he has to have someone else do his dirty work, I officially quit and resign from being a moderator on auto-rx, I am my own man and not one of Frank's puppets.
c3po, my golden protocol friend, thanks for bringing the ARX drama back to BITOG. It had cooled to almost nothing after you disappeared and now that you are back from a mission to Tatoonie in the Millennium Camino in the it's all fired up again.
OK, So here's the rules - no guns, no chains, no knives, no hits below the belt... Let's get ready to rumble.
SO WHO ELSE GOT BRIBED WITH FREE STUFF?
SO WHO ELSE GOT BRIBED WITH FREE STUFF?
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