Auto-Rx & MMO
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Originally Posted By: c3po
MMO is even sold at Wal-Mart, they do not put something on the shelves to collect dust.
Are you seriously using this as a rationale on an oil discussion forum? Wal-Mart used to sell Slick 50 too, maybe still do.
MMO is even sold at Wal-Mart, they do not put something on the shelves to collect dust.
Are you seriously using this as a rationale on an oil discussion forum? Wal-Mart used to sell Slick 50 too, maybe still do.
Originally Posted By: TooManyWheels
Originally Posted By: c3po
MMO is even sold at Wal-Mart, they do not put something on the shelves to collect dust.
Are you seriously using this as a rationale on an oil discussion forum? Wal-Mart used to sell Slick 50 too, maybe still do.
I never remember seeing Slick50 at Wal-Mart, my only point is that MMO must be selling there at Wal-Mart, look at all of the oil's that come and go.
Originally Posted By: c3po
MMO is even sold at Wal-Mart, they do not put something on the shelves to collect dust.
Are you seriously using this as a rationale on an oil discussion forum? Wal-Mart used to sell Slick 50 too, maybe still do.
I never remember seeing Slick50 at Wal-Mart, my only point is that MMO must be selling there at Wal-Mart, look at all of the oil's that come and go.
My point is that some people will pour Teflon in their engine not because it provides benefits, but just because it is sold at WalMart.
That is not really an attribute, we don't know how many of the sales are due to marketing, habit and folklore, versus the actual results from the product. Presenting this as a selling point works against the strength of your credibility, your argument, and the board itself. I'm not contesting your position re MMO, in fact I find it interesting, but bringing marketing and sales arguments into a results oriented discussion just gives skeptics or critics an opening to go against you.
Actually, I should qualify my statement. I'm not against all sales based arguments, but I don't think Wal-Mart customers are a good gauge. If these were industrial customers, (i.e. like Schaeffers base of truckers and farmers, with high dollar assets that must be productive and long lived) I would find it more convincing.
That is not really an attribute, we don't know how many of the sales are due to marketing, habit and folklore, versus the actual results from the product. Presenting this as a selling point works against the strength of your credibility, your argument, and the board itself. I'm not contesting your position re MMO, in fact I find it interesting, but bringing marketing and sales arguments into a results oriented discussion just gives skeptics or critics an opening to go against you.
Actually, I should qualify my statement. I'm not against all sales based arguments, but I don't think Wal-Mart customers are a good gauge. If these were industrial customers, (i.e. like Schaeffers base of truckers and farmers, with high dollar assets that must be productive and long lived) I would find it more convincing.
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The one "official" use of MMO was (iirc) sanctioned, AT ONE TIME, by the FAA for use in piston aircraft engines. The other common use of it was with NG or other stationary gas power plants with the Inverse Oiler. Both of these uses were as an UCL. This is where I believe it produces the most benefit. Most other suggested uses were for adapting in the midst of cold conditions with inferior lubricants. At one time they recommended using 10% kerosene to oil to improve pumpability. OCI's were not nearly as long as they are now and the basic formula has been mostly unchanged from its creation. I think that they dropped o-Dichlorobenzene as minor component that was in the
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The sanctioned use of this has been bypassed by evolutions in technology and lubrication. Much like the Frantz filter is harder to get benefit out of with today's oil over typical usage profiles. That's not to say that one can't still have conditions that need remedy and that MMO won't provide the desired results.
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The sanctioned use of this has been bypassed by evolutions in technology and lubrication. Much like the Frantz filter is harder to get benefit out of with today's oil over typical usage profiles. That's not to say that one can't still have conditions that need remedy and that MMO won't provide the desired results.
Originally Posted By: Rick20
demarpaint,
The ability to stop a leak with ARX has only to do with cleaning contaminants off of the metal journal, or the polymer seal. ARX does nothing at all to the polymer seal material. It does not swell the seal.
I do not doubt that MMO helps very cold starts. Thinning out the oil is what it does. I live in Tampa, should I be concerned with the thinning of the oil in high heat conditions?
Thanks you all for pointing out my spelling errors. I did 20 push ups, before this post.
I am a bit confused. MMO which I really like in the fuel side of things, creates better fuel economy? I would say yes run in the gas occasionally. However, I have got to believe that it has very poor comustibility properties. Mineral spirits, Napthlenic oil, and Chlorinated hydrocarbons do not sound like elements to increase my bang for the buck. Used occasionally, I can understand that some upper end lubrication and some injector cleaning and lube. I just don't think it is intended for use with each fill up.
I hope the 20 push-ups got you motivated into a good exercise program Rick, even though I didn't call you out on spelling
Not sure what A-Rx did to stop the oil leak but it stopped, it could be a coincidence too. As far as MMO helping with fuel economy a few of our members did testing with and with out MMO added to the gas. They found fuel economy drops w/o the MMO, and have repeated the results. It is in the fuel additive section.
I understand your A-Rx position, and respect it, all I ask is you do the same with people posting about MMO. There are a lot of members I exchange PM's with that are growing tired of the bickering, and it is hurting A-Rx sales. I happen to like the product, and have stated that, however MMO works and works well, sorry.
Frank D
demarpaint,
The ability to stop a leak with ARX has only to do with cleaning contaminants off of the metal journal, or the polymer seal. ARX does nothing at all to the polymer seal material. It does not swell the seal.
I do not doubt that MMO helps very cold starts. Thinning out the oil is what it does. I live in Tampa, should I be concerned with the thinning of the oil in high heat conditions?
Thanks you all for pointing out my spelling errors. I did 20 push ups, before this post.
I am a bit confused. MMO which I really like in the fuel side of things, creates better fuel economy? I would say yes run in the gas occasionally. However, I have got to believe that it has very poor comustibility properties. Mineral spirits, Napthlenic oil, and Chlorinated hydrocarbons do not sound like elements to increase my bang for the buck. Used occasionally, I can understand that some upper end lubrication and some injector cleaning and lube. I just don't think it is intended for use with each fill up.
I hope the 20 push-ups got you motivated into a good exercise program Rick, even though I didn't call you out on spelling
Not sure what A-Rx did to stop the oil leak but it stopped, it could be a coincidence too. As far as MMO helping with fuel economy a few of our members did testing with and with out MMO added to the gas. They found fuel economy drops w/o the MMO, and have repeated the results. It is in the fuel additive section. I understand your A-Rx position, and respect it, all I ask is you do the same with people posting about MMO. There are a lot of members I exchange PM's with that are growing tired of the bickering, and it is hurting A-Rx sales. I happen to like the product, and have stated that, however MMO works and works well, sorry.
Frank D
I just wanted too say that I have gotten PM's from many auto-rx user's who see absolutely no problem using MMO and auto-rx together. All of the Pm's have been positive and I have not gotten one PM from anybody who has thought this was a bad idea.
OK I'll play. I think it's a bad idea as I had a bad experience with RX and an oil with ester in it. Who knows how the chemistry of RX and MMO will react?
I won't go into it but it cost me a lot of money to fix. RX, esterised oil, old turbo.
IMO, from seeing what MMO is made up of, there in nothing in it that will react badly with ARX IMO and will only compliment the ARX cleaning, again, IMO.
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I think the A-Rx people will beg to differ. I see no problems either but again JMO.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
I won't go into it but it cost me a lot of money to fix. RX, esterised oil, old turbo.
I am sorry, but if you cannot show me any proof or you are saying I won't go into it, then I cannot buy a word you are saying.
I won't go into it but it cost me a lot of money to fix. RX, esterised oil, old turbo.
I am sorry, but if you cannot show me any proof or you are saying I won't go into it, then I cannot buy a word you are saying.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I think the A-Rx people will beg to differ. I see no problems either but again JMO.
That's probably because they are being paid off with free Auto-Rx to keep them promoting the product. I know who you are.
Auto-Rx is an excellent product and does work well, but it is far from the be-all-end-all will cure what ails your engine type additive that Frank and the Auto-RX Stand up guys would have you think.
Seeing the composition of MMO would be just fine with Auto-Rx IMO.
I think the A-Rx people will beg to differ. I see no problems either but again JMO.
That's probably because they are being paid off with free Auto-Rx to keep them promoting the product. I know who you are.
Auto-Rx is an excellent product and does work well, but it is far from the be-all-end-all will cure what ails your engine type additive that Frank and the Auto-RX Stand up guys would have you think.
Seeing the composition of MMO would be just fine with Auto-Rx IMO.
Stevie are you saying A-Rx and MMO will mix without issue?
Yup.
how do you know?
Originally Posted By: StevieC
IMO, from seeing what MMO is made up of, there in nothing in it that will react badly with ARX IMO and will only compliment the ARX cleaning, again, IMO.
I think what StevieC is doing here is basing his statement on an observation, which is fine.
I would think if MMO or these other oil additves did not mix with arx we would have heard about it by now. I have not seen or heard of any tests done that show arx does not mix with MMO. If there were a test done and it showed that arx did not mix with MMO or there was a bad reaction this test would have already been posted in this thread.
IMO, from seeing what MMO is made up of, there in nothing in it that will react badly with ARX IMO and will only compliment the ARX cleaning, again, IMO.
I think what StevieC is doing here is basing his statement on an observation, which is fine.
I would think if MMO or these other oil additves did not mix with arx we would have heard about it by now. I have not seen or heard of any tests done that show arx does not mix with MMO. If there were a test done and it showed that arx did not mix with MMO or there was a bad reaction this test would have already been posted in this thread.
Without knowing the chemical composition of both products the only thing you can do is guess what might happen if they were mixed. One is a trade secret and the other is a mystery. Some people know what one is made of, but no one person knows the precise composition of both. The purpose of both is to clean. If they are mixed and used in an engine and the result is cleaning, then it seems to me they are both working. Maybe separately, maybe with kind of synergy relationship, but no matter - the desired result is achieved.
This isn't like crossing the streams in ghost busters or something.
This isn't like crossing the streams in ghost busters or something.
Well once the A-rX people get into work on Monday we may hear something to the contrary. Anyone want to bet? IMO the A-rX people hate MMO, why would they want the products mixed? Even if the end result is a cleaner engine.
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