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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
Sooooo..... why didn't Obama ban bump stocks? I mean the dems care so much right?


Well the reason was because congress was controlled by the republicans and Obama couldn't get anything passed. Obamacare needed some tweeks but once the democrats lost their majority in congress, nothing was passed.

The ATF originally had the opinion that legally they didn't have the authority by themselves to ban them. Now that they're reversed course, someone will probably sue them based on their original theory that they don't have the authority to ban them.


when they had the super majority why didn't they get anything done?...?.... ? ? ?
 
Issue is the "conversation" liberals want to have are only taking rights away. They never want to consider the other side such as unrestricting gun free zones for concealed carry holders or expanding concealed carry. Such as national reciprocity for concealed carry permits. The considerations are always "what can we take", or you must not care about the kids if you don't let us take those rights away. Everyone is for fixing the mental health system, etc. But liberals want to restrict rights or nothing else.

Until it is truly a conversation, i'm done debating. I will not go to anyones house to confiscate any firearms regardless of what laws are passed. Nor will I allow any of mine be taken from me by anyone.
 
Originally Posted By: mikered30
Who is funding all the marches?

exactly
Reasonably civil discussion.
 
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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: gman2304
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
Sooooo..... why didn't Obama ban bump stocks? I mean the dems care so much right?


Well the reason was because congress was controlled by the republicans and Obama couldn't get anything passed. Obamacare needed some tweeks but once the democrats lost their majority in congress, nothing was passed.

The ATF originally had the opinion that legally they didn't have the authority by themselves to ban them. Now that they're reversed course, someone will probably sue them based on their original theory that they don't have the authority to ban them.
Wrong! Obama and the Dems had majority control of both houses from 2010 through 2012. Why didn’t they ban bump stocks then?
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They didn't become legal til 2010. The answer is that it wasn't a priority. Same as most legislation, reactionary instead of proactively.

Also it's not that easy to get things done in congress. The president and congress are both republican now but couldn't repeal Obamacare.
Thanks, I didn’t realize bump stocks became legal under Obama and the majority Dems.
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Protesting to demand that rights and freedoms be taken away. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mau and all the rest are proud of you.
 
I think more effective and faster results to lower school shooting would be a) Don't saturate all media with constant coverage, and never release details of the shooter. b) these students that are trying to make change could do a lot more by trying to include the outsiders at school, rather than isolating them for not fitting in. c) take social media posts seriously, especially since school kids see that stuff first.
 
Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Being a gun owner and avid hunter I still believe we need some realistic gun control fair to all parties.


Realistic gun control is using both hands!
 
Guns are at the bottom of what went wrong at Parkland. In order of priority of things to fix:

1. School administration controls of how they handle students like Cruz / mental illness, etc. ...
2. Creating proper safety in school zones (access, training, etc.). They didn't exist in Parkland.
3. Failure of local police - firing of management and proper retraining of officers
4. Failure of state and federal govt's to investigate and follow through.
5. Parental control of their kids. Cruz's original parents, step parents, and guardians all failed. His peers at school failed him.

and lastly

6. proper gun control/access/background checks/etc....though only after 1-5 are addressed.

There was no failure of #6 as Cruz got the guns legally. Students should be marching for the huge failure on #1,2,3,4,5 and how to fix them.

Today's March fixes nothing on #1-5. The "March" is all about getting votes in November and trying to take away all guns.

Only take away #6 and Parkland still likely would have happened...though maybe only with pistols, knives, bombs, or automobile. Cruz could have gotten his guns at age 21 if the age is raised to that number. Fire the Broward Country Sheriff, school superintendent, and start fixing the root causes. If you can't get that done...don't blame guns.

Address the ROOT CAUSES....not the symptoms or side issues. Why didn't the same kids vehemently "protest" Cruz being able to get back on campus? They knew he was a potential school shooter....some actually expected it. They knew he had guns. If only these same kids put as much effort into making their school safe after Sandy Hook and other school shootings than marching to ban guns. Start with getting the $95 security bars that keep class room doors sealed tight even under gun fire. They can make them in shop class. Nice to see Parkland is "hardening" their school with clear back packs...lol.
 
Got a chuckle today hearing that one of the top Parkland activist students (Hogge) was upset that the school board was requiring see-through back packs at school. He calls that infringement of his constitutional rights. Yet, he's stumping for turning in guns. Talk about lack of vision.

Would a see-through back-pack policy have stopped Cruz? Probably not. What would he care? Will it stop a student or other person from entering school grounds with a pistol concealed in their clothes or wrapped around their leg? Nope. How about a rifle being carried in a box or a trumbone case? See-through trombone cases and see-through cars are probably next...???
 
Do these children even know what they're "marching" for? I'm more than sure they're "marching" for what their parents told them to "march" for. If over 16,they'd be doing society more good by getting a job and being a productive member of society.
 
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Guns are at the bottom of what went wrong at Parkland. In order of priority of things to fix:

1. School administration controls of how they handle students like Cruz / mental illness, etc. ...
2. Creating proper safety in school zones (access, training, etc.). They didn't exist in Parkland.
3. Failure of local police - firing of management and proper retraining of officers
4. Failure of state and federal govt's to investigate and follow through.
5. Parental control of their kids. Cruz's original parents, step parents, and guardians all failed. His peers at school failed him.

and lastly

6. proper gun control/access/background checks/etc....though only after 1-5 are addressed.

There was no failure of #6 as Cruz got the guns legally. Students should be marching for the huge failure on #1,2,3,4,5 and how to fix them.

Today's March fixes nothing on #1-5. The "March" is all about getting votes in November and trying to take away all guns.

Only take away #6 and Parkland still likely would have happened...though maybe only with pistols, knives, bomb or automobile. Cruz could have gotten his guns at age 21 if the age is raised to that number.

Address the ROOT CAUSES....not the symptoms or side issues. Why didn't the same kids vehemently "protest" Cruz being able to get back on campus? They knew he was a potential school shooter....some actually expected it. They knew he had guns. If only these same kids put as much effort into making their school safe after Sandy Hook and other school shootings. Start with getting the $95 security bars that keep class room doors sealed tight even under gun fire. They can make them in shop class.


x1000. I was literally in the process of typing a long response but 69GTX beat me to it. We can have a sensible discussion about guns. It's prudent of our society to do so. But we cant discuss #6 in a manner that pretends issues #s 1-5 will magically fix themselves or go away.
 
Q: What good is it to have an NCIC databse if you cannot put people like Cruze into the database?

Answer: violent students can't be entered into the NCIC database due the Obama/Holder Injustice System in which Sheriff Israel took part.

Anytime you hear people or the Government talking about Gun Control, remember whose interests they are protecting.

Group Think can be dangerous to an open society.

School shootings and bombings are a "People" problem, not a method or a material problem.
 
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Originally Posted By: nickaluch
... I feel the change. ...


changing to what? Let me guess; More regulations, less liberty, bigger (Central) government and a smidge of some sort of fees.

You know what they say, "Don't worry, I'm from the government, I'm here to help"

(Of course the regulations, limitations, restrictions and fees won't apply to any of his majestys government agencies.

Originally Posted By: nickaluch
... Proud of these kids...


Exactly Kids. Not cool they are being used as pawns and frontmen for others agendas
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Q: What good is it to have an NCIC databse if you cannot put people like Cruze into the database?

Answer: violent students can't be entered into the NCIC database due the Obama/Holder Injustice System in which Sheriff Israel took part.

Anytime you hear people or the Government talking about Gun Control, remember whose interests they are protecting.

Group Think can be dangerous to an open society.

School shootings and bombings are a "People" problem, not a method or a material problem.


This.
I suspect Sheriff Israel et al know this, and know which demographic is the most vulnerable to taking causes ready to sacrifice up their good intentions- the youth. Something about setting people up on hobby horses and harnessing their 'passion' to feed policies etc etc
 
Originally Posted By: 69GTX
Got a chuckle today hearing that one of the top Parkland activist students (Hogge) was upset that the school board was requiring see-through back packs at school. He calls that infringement of his constitutional rights. Yet, he's stumping for turning in guns. Talk about lack of vision.

Would a see-through back-pack policy have stopped Cruz? Probably not. What would he care? Will it stop a student or other person from entering school grounds with a pistol concealed in their clothes or wrapped around their leg? Nope. How about a rifle being carried in a box or a trumbone case? See-through trombone cases and see-through cars are probably next...???


Something aint right with that kid. Somebody is pulling his strings.
 
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted By: nickaluch
Being a gun owner and avid hunter I still believe we need some realistic gun control fair to all parties.


Realistic gun control is using both hands!


Very good!
 
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