I'd like to try and get down to buying just one of these filters if possible. Is the XG7317 just slightly larger?
Thank you for the insight of this group.
Thank you for the insight of this group.
Are XG7317 and XG6607 interchangeable?
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The 7317 is approximately 1/2" taller than the 6607 (3.5" vs 3.0"). Otherwise the two bodies are identical. Some vehicles don't have room for the taller 7317 so they specify the 6607. My Nissan Frontier with the 2.5 liter engine is an example of that. The V6 engine fits the 7317 while the 2.5 liter I4 engine fits the 6607 because the 4 cylinder engine places the filter too close to a suspension component.
The 7317 is also wider than the 6607. I used them interchangeably on my wife's former vehicle, a Mitshbishi Outlander, but when I tried to put a 7317 clone on my sister in law's Honda Pilot, it was almost too big for the engine side of the filter base. Any wider and the gasket would have been over the edge. The 6607 is a better choice for a Pilot.
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i would only use a 7317 in place of a 6607, not the other way around.
The A02 is a Fram 7317
Is Honda finally using a different oil filter? For the longest time, Honda has been using the same filter on every car.
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I checked Fram's site and found this data from each filter's page:
| SKU PH7317
More Information | SKU PH6607
More Information |
So, the two cans are different in diameter by 2 thousandths of an inch, 0.002 in. That amounts to nothing.
The gaskets' inner and outer diameters each differ by less than 0.05 in, and the annular thickness (subtract the inner diameter from the outer diameter) only differs by a thousandth of an inch. Again, nothing.
The thickness shown on the table, the height/depth of the gasket, is the biggest difference besides the size of the cans themselves. That difference while less than 8 hundredths of an inch, is large relative to the thickness itself (20 vs 28 hundredths of an inch). I don't know why Fram would use a thinner gasket on the shorty
But even the thinner gasket is OK if you don't overtorque it.
I've never seen a 6607 application where a 7317 won't fit. Most 6607 applications are former 7317 applications that got back-spec'd
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On Nissans, it seemed like on all "cars", they spec'd the 6607 and for trucks, SUVs, etc they spec'd the 7317. My G35 calls for a 6607 but I've used a 7317-size filter for as long as I've owned it (mostly because our Hondas use a 7317 so I just buy one size for all).
I've seen this with shops, quick-lubes, etc as it's one less filter they need to stock. Even Supertech eliminated the 7317 from their oil filter line-up, which I was disappointed about. If you use their look-up tool for a Civic, for example, they'll tell you to use a 6607. I'm sure there's zero issue as well.
What vehicle ? Well, unless it's one of the few I'm familiar with, the answer might not help. Is there plenty of room where the oil filter sits ? Even "plenty" of room is probably overkill. Very good chance a 7317 will fit. The critical dimensions being the threads and o-ring ID and OD are a match though.
I've installed many 7317 filters and mostly removed some 6607 and 'never' noticed the former to be "wider" than the latter.' All my comparisons and filter specs show same OD with similar/same gasket dimensions. It reads like you may be confusing the 7317 application with the 9688 used on older pre-2001 Hondas. The 9688 is shorter but wider than the 7317, and will NOT fit many/most Honda now because or engine block or oil pan restriction.
Not sure what year Pilot, but current with 3.5L engine, filter sits directly above a cross member and makes using a cap wrench a no go. No room. "Maybe' if you use a 6607, cap wrench might work but I wouldn't recommend using the 6607. The spec is the 7317 (A02) and that's what I'd use. Means using another type filter wrench to remove filter. Lousy location.
As for topic, yeah with some exceptions for access, 7317 and 6607 interchangeable. Many quick lubes consolidate to the shorty 6607 as SOP. As long as room permits, 'I' always default to the longer 7317. Even with Nissan, all of them I've worked on that recommend 6607 easily fit the 7317. But one would need check to make sure that room permits the slightly longer 7317. So, YMMV
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Wow you guys went above and beyond, thanks for the great analysis. I maintain a Honda Civic and a Infiniti G35 & Mazda 3 which are where the requests come from. Id live to buy 1 filter for all three.
Cheers,
Cheers,
A small increase in the height of the filter can make a big difference in the amount of media the filter has. For example, the Supertech MP7317 has over 70% more media than the MP6607 (95 in^2 vs 55 in^2).
All else being equal, the 7317 would have a much higher holding capacity and better bypass resistance. The efficiency should even be a bit better due to lower flow velocity and less dirt loading. I would always use the 7317 if there's enough room.
All else being equal, the 7317 would have a much higher holding capacity and better bypass resistance. The efficiency should even be a bit better due to lower flow velocity and less dirt loading. I would always use the 7317 if there's enough room.
I have 2 of the 3 same models. Buy 7317-size filters.
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If you go to the Castrol oil finder, you can find out how much more oil a 7317 holds versus a 6607.
I think it's 0.15 quarts or something like that.... compare a car spec-ed for 7317 (honda accord) versus a car spec-ed for 6607 (almost every Mazda)
https://www.castrol.com/en_us/unite...y=motorcycles-scooters-mopeds-quads-atv&year=
I think it's 0.15 quarts or something like that.... compare a car spec-ed for 7317 (honda accord) versus a car spec-ed for 6607 (almost every Mazda)
https://www.castrol.com/en_us/unite...y=motorcycles-scooters-mopeds-quads-atv&year=
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Had a car that specced 6607. I ran 7317 without issues. Then I upsized that to a 3593A and/or 9688, also no issues.
The quickie lubes love the 6607-they use them on everything that specs a 7317, even the 3593A & 9688. They also like to use the "four deuces", AKA the 2222, on everything GM, or even Ford FL-910S specs. Cheaper, but usually not an issue if not pushed too far.
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Years ago an old friend of mine worked at a quick lube. He told me whatever filter fit is what you got.
LOL That sounds like what someone working at a quick lube might say. And in the case two topic applications, most likely the 6607 is what they got, and will be used for the spec 7317. I've even seen several ql anecdotes posted here where 6607 used for spec 9688.
Yes-my first & last trip to Jiffy Lube with the company Transit got a jobber 2222 in place of the FL910S size it should have gotten. Maybe 2/3 the size.
Thanks again everybody. I picked up 10 XG7317 filters so I will proceed to burn through these.
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