The spin-on oil filters used on 99% of todays automotive engines are full-flow units designed to filter out large particles of debris that might flake off the rather crudely made engine parts. After the first few oil changes, they do very little...There is just not that much "stuff" floating around for them to trap. In 10 or 15 years, your heap is going through the shredder anyway. Don't worry about the brand of oil filter you used...
Are SuperTech filters good enough?
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Haha!! Very true... but for the time being I think Im going to stick what I think I would be getting most for my money.. Ive been using AC-Delco oil filters for my 2002 Envoy ( i figured OEM oil filter would be good, but...!) I am going to start using SuperTech oil filters. That way instead of going to Wal-mart for my oil (cos its always cheaper) and going to my parts store for the oil filter (10 minutes away from walmart), I will just go to walmart and get my oil and oil filter now
"...Your basic Fram filter for a Honda at Walley World and your Fram OEM are different animals. Take each one apart and you can see the Fram made to Honda's specs is a better quality filter with internal components and filter media.
Honda builds everything from lawn mower engines to Jet Aircraft engines. "They didn't get to that status by engineering inferor products". ...
Yes, yes and yes. I believe I acknowledged that Fram OEM's this filter to Honda specifications. However, to me the question still remains: how statistically significant is the difference say over 250,000 miles?
One item further. Honda 5w20 oil at 4-7 dollars per qt over the counter at your local Honda dealer is (also) oem to Honda specifications by ExxonMobil. Their labeled brand is ExxonMobil Superflo 5w20 at 1 dollar per qt. Again,to me the question still remains: how statistically significant is the difference say over 250,000 miles?
[ January 02, 2005, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: ruking77 ]
Honda builds everything from lawn mower engines to Jet Aircraft engines. "They didn't get to that status by engineering inferor products". ...
Yes, yes and yes. I believe I acknowledged that Fram OEM's this filter to Honda specifications. However, to me the question still remains: how statistically significant is the difference say over 250,000 miles?
One item further. Honda 5w20 oil at 4-7 dollars per qt over the counter at your local Honda dealer is (also) oem to Honda specifications by ExxonMobil. Their labeled brand is ExxonMobil Superflo 5w20 at 1 dollar per qt. Again,to me the question still remains: how statistically significant is the difference say over 250,000 miles?
[ January 02, 2005, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: ruking77 ]
You don't have to buy Honda OEM Oil to maintain your warranty. You can use brand X,Y,or Z as long as it meets the manufacturers specifications. I'm sure Exxon Mobil Superflow will work just fine as long as it meets Honda's requirements for maintaining vehicle warranty and you change it per their guidelines.
"You must compare apples to apples when justifing price. Your Honda Fram at Walley world is not of the same construction as you OEM at the Honda dealers.. Why did the Honda engineers spec different design and construction materials for their filters? Maybe the off the shelf filter and Wally World didn't meet the criteria for their engine design. There must have been statistically significant engineering data for the Honda design team to request a specific filter design over a generic.
[ January 02, 2005, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: goldwing ]
Caddyman your going to love this site.
I wish I had your $$$ and could afford to trade vehicles every five years. I presently own a 1990 Ford F150 117,000 miles, 1993 Volvo 240 daily commuter, 60 miles round trip to work 5 days a week, total of 168,000 miles, 1995 Ford Windstar 104,000 miles and a 1999 Acura TL 60,000 miles. All these vehicles are well maintained and are still in excellent condition.
As you can see I like to maximize my capital expense to its fullest potential. "Vehicles don't appreciate overtime. They are not good 401K investment opportunities. "Based on your doctrine most of my vehicles should be in the scrap shredder. "Based on my math I have saved thousands of dollars by maximizing vehicle depreciation, paying low property taxes, and low insurance rates." I'm driving something I own, Not something the BANK owns. The Bank pays me Interest on SAVINGS.
If your trading vehicles as soon as the warranty is out maintenance is not too important. If your going for maximium depreciation "following a maintenance program is money in the bank."
Hi,
I'm using the Supertech in my 2005 Corolla with excellent results. It's been right around zero and no problems.
I'll have a UOA in the next month...
Take care, Bill
I'm using the Supertech in my 2005 Corolla with excellent results. It's been right around zero and no problems.
I'll have a UOA in the next month...
Take care, Bill
..."You don't have to buy Honda OEM Oil to maintain your warranty. You can use brand X,Y,or Z as long as it meets the manufacturers specifications. I'm sure Exxon Mobil Superflow will work just fine as long as it meets Honda's requirements for maintaining vehicle warranty and you change it per their guidelines. "...
I take it from your above quote that you agree with what I was saying. So that we are talking apples to apples, ExxonMobil not only makes Honda OEM oil, In additions to Fords 5w20 standard (which some on this board say is a more stringent standard than Honda's They also meet the Honda certifications, specifically for their "Superflo" brand. Honda Oem guidelines are 5k severe.10k normal with every other oil change, change of filter or 10k/20k. Life is good! Sure beats the good old days where 1500-3,000 miles was the "rule".
Since we are talking about oil filters, Supertech (7317) meets the Honda oem's requirements in case of warranty.
I take it from your above quote that you agree with what I was saying. So that we are talking apples to apples, ExxonMobil not only makes Honda OEM oil, In additions to Fords 5w20 standard (which some on this board say is a more stringent standard than Honda's They also meet the Honda certifications, specifically for their "Superflo" brand. Honda Oem guidelines are 5k severe.10k normal with every other oil change, change of filter or 10k/20k. Life is good! Sure beats the good old days where 1500-3,000 miles was the "rule".
Since we are talking about oil filters, Supertech (7317) meets the Honda oem's requirements in case of warranty.
While I believe that STP filters are OK, the NTPOG oil filter study guys sure have changed their minds. In the original study: http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml the author praises the STP/Supertech and Bosch filters. In the latest version: http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml the author claims that they are now cheaply made, and to stay away from them. Just thought I would point this out. -Joe
Interesting reading.
All the ones I have bought for my Toyota, Chev, my Dads Honda and PT crusier all of the STech filters (incl the new style for the PT Crusier) are made and stamped on the filter "made in USA".
Wonder if they are switching all the production to
out of the USA?
I like the filters and so far I've been real pleased. No problems with startup noises, the UOAs look good.
Take care! Bill
I cut apart my Honda OEM filter last week and took some pics to post here, but I don't have a web site to post them on and link them here. The filter may be made better. I don't really know because I have never cut apart a FRAM. But the OEM filter still used carboard end caps.
I LOVE FRAM I LOVE FRAM I LOVE FRAM
Prove me wrong? I want YOUR stories no your friend or neighbor!
Prove me wrong? I want YOUR stories no your friend or neighbor!
My story: I have a 13 year old Fram in my garage I refuse to use. I purched several SuperTech filters instead.
I have to get a decent cutting tool to take some pics of this old filter one of these days...
I have to get a decent cutting tool to take some pics of this old filter one of these days...
I used to use Frams religiously...I started reading here and learning about oil and filters.
I used to hear a morning startup rattle on cold mornings and thought it was normal cold engine start noises (valvetrain..). I read about Frams causing that noise. I went outside and changed my Fram filter to an AC filter (did not change oil just the filter..) next morning, NO NOISE.
I have used several other brands of filters since then...noise has never come back. I have never used Fram since.
Fram is still living on old credentials, most folks don't look at details like the folks here at BITOG do, many of us here at BITOG have started cutting up filters to really check them out...
It is simple, you will do better on the test if you do your homework.
Rando
I used to hear a morning startup rattle on cold mornings and thought it was normal cold engine start noises (valvetrain..). I read about Frams causing that noise. I went outside and changed my Fram filter to an AC filter (did not change oil just the filter..) next morning, NO NOISE.
I have used several other brands of filters since then...noise has never come back. I have never used Fram since.
Fram is still living on old credentials, most folks don't look at details like the folks here at BITOG do, many of us here at BITOG have started cutting up filters to really check them out...
It is simple, you will do better on the test if you do your homework.
Rando
Well, if you want to see my Honda OEM filter, go to this site. If you want more detailed pics, just ask. But it goes out with the trash next week.
Honda OEM filter, just click pics.
Honda OEM filter, just click pics.
As I said on another thread, the case against Fram is weak. The case for Fram is non existant.
"the case against Fram is weak" ??????
I guess we have a pretty big difference in opinion on that part...
The only thing Fram has going for them is good marketing (both to the individual buying public and the retailers). They are making the cheapest product possible and relying on old brand recognition to sell it. Yeah, sure, they may not be car killers, but they sure don't match up to any of the competition- cheap or expensive.
I would probably give them part credit in the old stereotype of vehicles being lucky to go past 100k miles....
Sorry Labman, I normally agree with you, but on this case against Fram....it's pretty strong to me.
I guess we have a pretty big difference in opinion on that part...
The only thing Fram has going for them is good marketing (both to the individual buying public and the retailers). They are making the cheapest product possible and relying on old brand recognition to sell it. Yeah, sure, they may not be car killers, but they sure don't match up to any of the competition- cheap or expensive.
I would probably give them part credit in the old stereotype of vehicles being lucky to go past 100k miles....
Sorry Labman, I normally agree with you, but on this case against Fram....it's pretty strong to me.
weak > non-existant
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