2008 Royal Enfield (India)
2006 Ural Patrol (Russia)
1977 HD XLCR (USA)
1972 Triumph Bonneville (UK)
2006 Ural Patrol (Russia)
1977 HD XLCR (USA)
1972 Triumph Bonneville (UK)
Anyone own an American or European bike?
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Originally Posted By: boraticus
"MADE IN THE USA" = American made.
By the way, I've got five Japanese motorcycles that are 38 to 34 years old. All of them running very well and parts are readily available.
So, the claim that Japanese machines are throw away bikes is completely unfounded. By the way, those little 350 and 400 cc machines will out-perform all but the V-Rod in the Harley line up. They kicked HD butt way back then and they can still do it now. That's almost 40 year old technology folks!
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+1 IT DOESNT EVEN TAKE A 350 ! with a little clutch work off the line my (little) 250 ninja shames just about all HD other than the V-rod.. and the funny thing is most HD loyalist look at the V-rod like a red headed step child.. go figure
"MADE IN THE USA" = American made.
By the way, I've got five Japanese motorcycles that are 38 to 34 years old. All of them running very well and parts are readily available.
So, the claim that Japanese machines are throw away bikes is completely unfounded. By the way, those little 350 and 400 cc machines will out-perform all but the V-Rod in the Harley line up. They kicked HD butt way back then and they can still do it now. That's almost 40 year old technology folks!
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+1 IT DOESNT EVEN TAKE A 350 ! with a little clutch work off the line my (little) 250 ninja shames just about all HD other than the V-rod.. and the funny thing is most HD loyalist look at the V-rod like a red headed step child.. go figure
Originally Posted By: boraticus
"MADE IN THE USA" = American made.
By the way, I've got five Japanese motorcycles that are 38 to 34 years old. All of them running very well and parts are readily available.
So, the claim that Japanese machines are throw away bikes is completely unfounded. By the way, those little 350 and 400 cc machines will out-perform all but the V-Rod in the Harley line up. They kicked HD butt way back then and they can still do it now. That's almost 40 year old technology folks!
Where not talking about "American-Made". We're talking about American.. as in American-Brand.
"MADE IN THE USA" = American made.
By the way, I've got five Japanese motorcycles that are 38 to 34 years old. All of them running very well and parts are readily available.
So, the claim that Japanese machines are throw away bikes is completely unfounded. By the way, those little 350 and 400 cc machines will out-perform all but the V-Rod in the Harley line up. They kicked HD butt way back then and they can still do it now. That's almost 40 year old technology folks!
Where not talking about "American-Made". We're talking about American.. as in American-Brand.
Just out of curiosity, what's the "significance" of an American brand?
Fifty years ago, it would have been a symbol of American quality and pride of craftsmanship. Unfortunately, that's no longer the case. Anyone who still has the mindset that built in the USA = a superior product, is pretty much out of touch with reality.
We live in a globally homogeneous manufacturing market. There is very little that we purchase of any significance nowadays that is exclusively manufactured with every component made within any country's borders.
North American industry have learned some very painful lessons over the last three decades. Many years ago, foreign countries proved that they could build just about anything better than us. Our manufacturers in their hubris and denial, refused to see the writing on the wall and continued down the road of mediocrity providing consumers with substandard products until their markets dissipated to the point of failure or near failure.
I don't see that as anything to be particularly proud of.
Hopefully, we've learned our lesson.
Something tells me however that corporate greed and the willingness to compromise quality for easy short sighted profits will not be going away any time soon. If that's the case, we're leaving the door open for more foreign influx.
Fifty years ago, it would have been a symbol of American quality and pride of craftsmanship. Unfortunately, that's no longer the case. Anyone who still has the mindset that built in the USA = a superior product, is pretty much out of touch with reality.
We live in a globally homogeneous manufacturing market. There is very little that we purchase of any significance nowadays that is exclusively manufactured with every component made within any country's borders.
North American industry have learned some very painful lessons over the last three decades. Many years ago, foreign countries proved that they could build just about anything better than us. Our manufacturers in their hubris and denial, refused to see the writing on the wall and continued down the road of mediocrity providing consumers with substandard products until their markets dissipated to the point of failure or near failure.
I don't see that as anything to be particularly proud of.
Hopefully, we've learned our lesson.
Something tells me however that corporate greed and the willingness to compromise quality for easy short sighted profits will not be going away any time soon. If that's the case, we're leaving the door open for more foreign influx.
How about some examples of canandian products that are superior?
All I can say is that many of you would be quite surprised how many parts for Honda motorcycles are actually American made. At least when the Marysville plant was still open. Replacement parts as well.
Originally Posted By: Popinski
Why can't people realize that the origin of the brand name is the country it's from. When someone says that they want an American car.. they're referring to brands like the Big 3
Simply because it isn't true anymore.
I can buy a set of Craftsman wrenches from Sears... that have 'CHINA' cast into them. Are those American wrenches? Of course not.
According to cars.com's survey, 5 of the top 10 'American Made' cars are from Japanese companies. Would you rather buy a more 'American made' car from a Japanese company or a car with zero US content from an American company (Chevy Aveo, aka Daewoo Kalos from Bupyong, South Korea)? What about the myriad of vehicles that are built in Canada or Mexico for the Big Three? Fiat owns 20% of Chrysler, does it mean their cars are 80% American?
It isn't cut and dried to say that a vehicle made by an 'American' company is an 'American car' anymore. Global trade has made this very complicated and not just for cars. American assembled seems to be the way most things are made today if there's any domestic involvement.
And since when did 'American' solely mean 'United States'? Last I checked, there were MANY countries in North & South America.
Why can't people realize that the origin of the brand name is the country it's from. When someone says that they want an American car.. they're referring to brands like the Big 3
Simply because it isn't true anymore.
I can buy a set of Craftsman wrenches from Sears... that have 'CHINA' cast into them. Are those American wrenches? Of course not.
According to cars.com's survey, 5 of the top 10 'American Made' cars are from Japanese companies. Would you rather buy a more 'American made' car from a Japanese company or a car with zero US content from an American company (Chevy Aveo, aka Daewoo Kalos from Bupyong, South Korea)? What about the myriad of vehicles that are built in Canada or Mexico for the Big Three? Fiat owns 20% of Chrysler, does it mean their cars are 80% American?
It isn't cut and dried to say that a vehicle made by an 'American' company is an 'American car' anymore. Global trade has made this very complicated and not just for cars. American assembled seems to be the way most things are made today if there's any domestic involvement.
And since when did 'American' solely mean 'United States'? Last I checked, there were MANY countries in North & South America.
Well I can see that we can not keep the topic on the subject matter so it ends.
A few mod notifies and one member with some "vacation time".
Time for the lock.
Any comments PM me.
Bill
A few mod notifies and one member with some "vacation time".
Time for the lock.
Any comments PM me.
Bill
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