Anyone own an American or European bike?
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Originally Posted By: Moose016
I've got an Aprilia. I know what you mean, I only like one [censored] brand, but they are what is available at the dealerships. BMWs are nice, if I were to buy a bike today I would buy the S1000RR. Beyond that it BMWs are mostly touring bikes. Now that Buell is dead and if you hate harley like me you basically have Indian which has a tiny market share and are expensive and Fischer which has American components and a Hyosung engine. If I could grab a good deal on an MV Agusta I would, but with those part prices I might never ride it.
+1 Im not a Harley hater (more of a disliker) and im with you on the MV, but if were going there lets just cut to the chase and look at Bimoto'S
I've got an Aprilia. I know what you mean, I only like one [censored] brand, but they are what is available at the dealerships. BMWs are nice, if I were to buy a bike today I would buy the S1000RR. Beyond that it BMWs are mostly touring bikes. Now that Buell is dead and if you hate harley like me you basically have Indian which has a tiny market share and are expensive and Fischer which has American components and a Hyosung engine. If I could grab a good deal on an MV Agusta I would, but with those part prices I might never ride it.
+1 Im not a Harley hater (more of a disliker) and im with you on the MV, but if were going there lets just cut to the chase and look at Bimoto'S
I have never owned an American or European brand of motorcycle. All mine that I have owned plus my current two are Japanese. One's a Yamaha the other a 75 Honda CB 500 twin. Nice vintage machine.
I have owned a Goldwing....nice for trips but not an around town machine. The shear size and weight intimidated me in town on that thing so any big, heavy bike is out of the question for me.
I would love to own a Harley just for the sake of saying that I have owned one. Hopefully one day I can. If not, I haven't lost anything.
Knowing what my friends went through with Triumphs and BSAs back in the 60s and 70s was enough to turn me against most European brands of motorcycles.
I have owned a Goldwing....nice for trips but not an around town machine. The shear size and weight intimidated me in town on that thing so any big, heavy bike is out of the question for me.
I would love to own a Harley just for the sake of saying that I have owned one. Hopefully one day I can. If not, I haven't lost anything.
Knowing what my friends went through with Triumphs and BSAs back in the 60s and 70s was enough to turn me against most European brands of motorcycles.
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I own an American bike... a 2002 Honda Goldwing, born in Marysville, Ohio.
It's a fantastic ride.
No offense intended. I'm sure it's a great ride, but it is not an American bike. Assembled in America is not the same as American designed, R&D, and built. The Gold Wing is Japanese, with parts sourced from Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and China. And I'm not sure of the final date, but the Maryville plant is closed due to assembly costs. New Wings are all imported. http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/honda-closes-goldwing-plant/ http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/30/goodbye-goldwing-honda-officially-ends-u-s-motorcycle-producti/
I own an American bike... a 2002 Honda Goldwing, born in Marysville, Ohio.
It's a fantastic ride.
No offense intended. I'm sure it's a great ride, but it is not an American bike. Assembled in America is not the same as American designed, R&D, and built. The Gold Wing is Japanese, with parts sourced from Taiwan, Japan, Korea, and China. And I'm not sure of the final date, but the Maryville plant is closed due to assembly costs. New Wings are all imported. http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/honda-closes-goldwing-plant/ http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/30/goodbye-goldwing-honda-officially-ends-u-s-motorcycle-producti/
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Calling it an American bike won't change the fact it was just assembled here, with parts from who knows where?. Anyway they don't make it anymore Hmmm, I wonder why?.
Originally Posted By: boraticus
I wonder why as well? After all, they were the best bikes ever built in the USA.
Too much sophistication for the market probably.
Always good to have a good belly laugh on a Friday.
I wonder why as well? After all, they were the best bikes ever built in the USA.
Too much sophistication for the market probably.
Always good to have a good belly laugh on a Friday.
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Calling it an American bike won't change the fact it was just assembled here, with parts from who knows where?. Anyway they don't make it anymore Hmmm, I wonder why?.
Well start calling a lot of Harleys not American since they are assembled here with an increasingly larger amount of foreign made parts and designed in conjunction with foreign firms.
I guess its all how you define "build". I see no difference between building and assembling something.
Calling it an American bike won't change the fact it was just assembled here, with parts from who knows where?. Anyway they don't make it anymore Hmmm, I wonder why?.
Well start calling a lot of Harleys not American since they are assembled here with an increasingly larger amount of foreign made parts and designed in conjunction with foreign firms.
I guess its all how you define "build". I see no difference between building and assembling something.
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Calling it an American bike won't change the fact it was just assembled here, with parts from who knows where?. Anyway they don't make it anymore Hmmm, I wonder why?.
Well start calling a lot of Harleys not American since they are assembled here with an increasingly larger amount of foreign made parts and designed in conjunction with foreign firms.
I guess its all how you define "build". I see no difference between building and assembling something.
That's logical, unbiased thinking and likely the view of 90% of motorcyclists.
Personally, it really doesn't matter to me where the Valkyrie was built. I know what it is. I know what it can do and I've yet to see anything else that's American made and mass produced that comes close to equaling it. The new Victory's probably have the power and handling to rival it in some aspects. However, that 100 h.p. flat six is an awesome engine and the Valkyrie is an outstanding handling bike and a very comfortable ride.
The fact that it was made in the U.S.A. is more of a novelty than a matter of any significance.
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Calling it an American bike won't change the fact it was just assembled here, with parts from who knows where?. Anyway they don't make it anymore Hmmm, I wonder why?.
Well start calling a lot of Harleys not American since they are assembled here with an increasingly larger amount of foreign made parts and designed in conjunction with foreign firms.
I guess its all how you define "build". I see no difference between building and assembling something.
That's logical, unbiased thinking and likely the view of 90% of motorcyclists.
Personally, it really doesn't matter to me where the Valkyrie was built. I know what it is. I know what it can do and I've yet to see anything else that's American made and mass produced that comes close to equaling it. The new Victory's probably have the power and handling to rival it in some aspects. However, that 100 h.p. flat six is an awesome engine and the Valkyrie is an outstanding handling bike and a very comfortable ride.
The fact that it was made in the U.S.A. is more of a novelty than a matter of any significance.
Correction: Assembled in the U.S.A..They do that so the uninformed believe they are buying an American motorcycle.If you follow the paper trail as to who owns the parent company, where the parts are made,and find none are actually produced in the U.S.A, maybe the cardboard box it's shipped in, you will realize without question, it's a Japanese motorcycle assembled in the U.S.A. You can paint an orange blue,or in this case red white and blue, but it's still an orange.,,
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
I own an American bike... a 2002 Honda Goldwing, born in Marysville, Ohio.
It's a fantastic ride.
Great pic, your at one of my favorit playgrounds.. first time at the Gap i got schooled by a yellow goldwing (totally killed my ego) his call sign "Yellow Wolf" good dude and a killer on that wing. Im going back at the end of this month for my bi-annual visit.. i hear the rockslide has been cleared.
Back on topic, and i really dont want to turn this into a Bashing thread.. but im making a observation thats sorta in conjuction with this topic.
For all the die hard HD folk out there hating on anything not HD or American, it burns me that they dropped Eric Buel, a American motorcycle company. So what Eric and his team had to go with Rotax to be competitive in the AMA, heck they won last year (awesome) HD dropped American company (BUEL).. but they havent dropped MV Agusta wich they are i believe the largest share holder now.. last time i checked MV was across the pond.. Im not hating on HD, There just another Buisness. But it proves even for might HD, its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I own an American bike... a 2002 Honda Goldwing, born in Marysville, Ohio.
It's a fantastic ride.
Great pic, your at one of my favorit playgrounds.. first time at the Gap i got schooled by a yellow goldwing (totally killed my ego) his call sign "Yellow Wolf" good dude and a killer on that wing. Im going back at the end of this month for my bi-annual visit.. i hear the rockslide has been cleared.
Back on topic, and i really dont want to turn this into a Bashing thread.. but im making a observation thats sorta in conjuction with this topic.
For all the die hard HD folk out there hating on anything not HD or American, it burns me that they dropped Eric Buel, a American motorcycle company. So what Eric and his team had to go with Rotax to be competitive in the AMA, heck they won last year (awesome) HD dropped American company (BUEL).. but they havent dropped MV Agusta wich they are i believe the largest share holder now.. last time i checked MV was across the pond.. Im not hating on HD, There just another Buisness. But it proves even for might HD, its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Originally Posted By: BigCahuna
Correction: Assembled in the U.S.A..They do that so the uninformed believe they are buying an American motorcycle.If you follow the paper trail as to who owns the parent company, where the parts are made,and find none are actually produced in the U.S.A, maybe the cardboard box it's shipped in, you will realize without question, it's a Japanese motorcycle assembled in the U.S.A. You can paint an orange blue,or in this case red white and blue, but it's still an orange.,,
Well if you build a house made from imported Canadian timber, is it built in Canada and only assembled in the USA?
Correction: Assembled in the U.S.A..They do that so the uninformed believe they are buying an American motorcycle.If you follow the paper trail as to who owns the parent company, where the parts are made,and find none are actually produced in the U.S.A, maybe the cardboard box it's shipped in, you will realize without question, it's a Japanese motorcycle assembled in the U.S.A. You can paint an orange blue,or in this case red white and blue, but it's still an orange.,,
Well if you build a house made from imported Canadian timber, is it built in Canada and only assembled in the USA?
"So what Eric and his team had to go with Rotax to be competitive in the AMA"
Considering that Buell had to use a non HD engine to be competitive, that would have made HD appear to be what they always have been in most modern racing venues, uncompetitive. One has to wonder it that's why HD dropped Buell.
The lumpy push-rod V twin design is barely adequate as a motorcycle engine when compared to what's available today. After all, there's only so much that can be done with 110 year old design. For me, the question is: Why didn't HD supply Buell with the V-Rod engine?
It their best engine by far and likely would have held it's own quite handily on the race track and would have made a great power plant for the Buell street bikes.
Considering that Buell had to use a non HD engine to be competitive, that would have made HD appear to be what they always have been in most modern racing venues, uncompetitive. One has to wonder it that's why HD dropped Buell.
The lumpy push-rod V twin design is barely adequate as a motorcycle engine when compared to what's available today. After all, there's only so much that can be done with 110 year old design. For me, the question is: Why didn't HD supply Buell with the V-Rod engine?
It their best engine by far and likely would have held it's own quite handily on the race track and would have made a great power plant for the Buell street bikes.
Originally Posted By: boraticus
"So what Eric and his team had to go with Rotax to be competitive in the AMA"
Considering that Buell had to use a non HD engine to be competitive, that would have made HD appear to be what they always have been in most modern racing venues, uncompetitive. One has to wonder it that's why HD dropped Buell.
The lumpy push-rod V twin design is barely adequate as a motorcycle engine when compared to what's available today. After all, there's only so much that can be done with 110 year old design. For me, the question is: Why didn't HD supply Buell with the V-Rod engine?
It their best engine by far and likely would have held it's own quite handily on the race track and would have made a great power plant for the Buell street bikes.
they tried the v-rod engine.. simply too heavy, and still not competitive.. buell started with the sporster motor, had access for racing purposes to the v-rod mill (when he could not be competitive), After all was said and done eric begged and pleaded with HD to let him go with Rotax.. almost instant success, HD was not happy.. Then with 30 days of winning in AMA, HD drops Eric, and liquidates all.. and refuses to let Eric carry on/buy out ect.. now Eric has "Eric Buel Racing" and is working on nothing but racing.. hopefully he upstarts another AMERICAN company.. becouse he's the real deal. P.S. HD is highly competitive in flat track "XR750" BUT.... many others are sneaking up NOW, and stealing HD's thunder in this racing.. and lets not forget drag racing.. HD is still in the hunt in the highly competitve world of 1/4 mile.. even though i dont think anything on them drag bikes is from HD.. my point earlier is HD sold Eric down the river (claiming the economy) but held on to MV ???? the ubber high end sportbike company ???? everytime i talk to a HD fan around here (wallet & chain type) i pass along this tidbit.. they dont believe me,, like there in denial HD would do such a thing or OWN a sportbike company on the other side of the planet.. i always tell em to look it up, its no secret.... its all about the $$$ (again) lol
"So what Eric and his team had to go with Rotax to be competitive in the AMA"
Considering that Buell had to use a non HD engine to be competitive, that would have made HD appear to be what they always have been in most modern racing venues, uncompetitive. One has to wonder it that's why HD dropped Buell.
The lumpy push-rod V twin design is barely adequate as a motorcycle engine when compared to what's available today. After all, there's only so much that can be done with 110 year old design. For me, the question is: Why didn't HD supply Buell with the V-Rod engine?
It their best engine by far and likely would have held it's own quite handily on the race track and would have made a great power plant for the Buell street bikes.
they tried the v-rod engine.. simply too heavy, and still not competitive.. buell started with the sporster motor, had access for racing purposes to the v-rod mill (when he could not be competitive), After all was said and done eric begged and pleaded with HD to let him go with Rotax.. almost instant success, HD was not happy.. Then with 30 days of winning in AMA, HD drops Eric, and liquidates all.. and refuses to let Eric carry on/buy out ect.. now Eric has "Eric Buel Racing" and is working on nothing but racing.. hopefully he upstarts another AMERICAN company.. becouse he's the real deal. P.S. HD is highly competitive in flat track "XR750" BUT.... many others are sneaking up NOW, and stealing HD's thunder in this racing.. and lets not forget drag racing.. HD is still in the hunt in the highly competitve world of 1/4 mile.. even though i dont think anything on them drag bikes is from HD.. my point earlier is HD sold Eric down the river (claiming the economy) but held on to MV ???? the ubber high end sportbike company ???? everytime i talk to a HD fan around here (wallet & chain type) i pass along this tidbit.. they dont believe me,, like there in denial HD would do such a thing or OWN a sportbike company on the other side of the planet.. i always tell em to look it up, its no secret.... its all about the $$$ (again) lol
I'm really getting tired of this. A Japanese brand that is made in America is still Japanese. A Ford that is made in Mexico is still an American car. An American made BMW is still a German car. A domestic machinery is still the Big 3... a foreign car is still considered a foreign brand.
Geez people. I don't care if a Honda is made here.. it's still Japanese!! Sushi that's made here is still considered Japanese food!
Geez people. I don't care if a Honda is made here.. it's still Japanese!! Sushi that's made here is still considered Japanese food!
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