Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[Exhaustgases]

Even back in the early 2000's radar is so far advanced there is no fooling it with a hologram.
Besides those old smoking, clunking, riveted, and touchable UFO's were not a hologram.
Nor were the electromagnetic effects they caused to automobiles, airplanes, road signs, and such.
Holograms may have been used for someother very important event though.

 

[TiGeo]

This hologram business all sounds far more unlikely than if it was just aliens and certainly can't explain sightings way back when when this tech wouldn't have been around.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Holographic images are composed of say a cube of photons and these photons create a localized plasma.

Photons do not have a zero rest mass, but have an experimental limit of
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Photon and Graviton Mass Limits, Alfred Scharff Goldhaber∗,† and Michael Martin Nieto†∗C. N. Yang Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY Stony Brook, NY 11794-3840 USAand †Theoretical Division (MS B285), Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, NM 87545 USA, 2010.

If the photon has a mass, this plasma would behave differently, namely, there would be currents produced and the plasma would get accelerated.

These currents that are produced could very well produce Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) since plasmas are very noisy and produce a wide spectrum of RFI.

For example, the next time you go to a restaurant bring a portable pocket radio capable of AM reception with you and hold it near the "Open" sign. A neon sign is simply a low energy plasma generator.

Not enough mass to be recognized by radar. In any case holograms being projections must be orientated so that it is visible to the audience which means you would need multiple projectors set up to provide 360 viewing experience which means other ships in the vicinity as pads to mount these high powered projectors. In addition you can't just create a hologram and then move if around the sky like you would a laser pointer over an area that's hundreds of square miles which btw would be below the horizon. It's simply not possible.

 

[MolaKule]

Not enough mass to be recognized by radar.

Some interesting Plasma reads all available on-line:

A Computational Study: The Effect of Hypersonic Plasma Sheaths on Radar Cross Section for Over the Horizon Radar, Air Force Institute of Technology AFIT Scholar, 2017.

Fundamentals of Plasma Physics, J.A., Bittencourt.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Some interesting Plasma reads all available on-line:

A Computational Study: The Effect of Hypersonic Plasma Sheaths on Radar Cross Section for Over the Horizon Radar, Air Force Institute of Technology AFIT Scholar, 2017.

Fundamentals of Plasma Physics, J.A., Bittencourt.

The plasma sheath appears around a hypersonic body. Think Space Shuttle on re-entry. This isn't the the same thing as your suggested plasma projected hologram.

 

[Cujet]

So, it's YOUR opinion,,, I will politely state you are grossly uninformed...
Hundreds of credible videos and photos and witness testimony available

Correct, only my opinion. That's why I stated "I think".

While I am not a scientist, I do try to employ the scientific method to the limits of my ability. In the case of UFO's, something that defies physics would immediately get placed in the category of "needs more study". As every test we've run seems to validate both Newtonian physics and general relativity. The idea that an object can move through matter (air) an order magnitude faster than hypersonic speeds without displacing air, would seem to be worthy of skepticism. The "error bars" here (true v false, scientific error bar) seem to me, to be strongly skewed towards fiction.

But as always, something I don't understand, does not mean that it can't be done. That willingness to throw out bad data is critical to the scientific method.

LC, here is how I see it. In the 1500's, everything terrifying, from eclipses, to bad weather to disease was explained by witchcraft, with strong argument, women were burned. Along came science, the discovery of microbes, weather patterns, the atom, and physics, and over time, understanding dawned. That led to real knowledge that could predict eclipses 1000 years in the future, antibiotics to combat microbes and the ability to understand what gravity really is, inertia.

Again, IT IS MY OPINION the "error bars" seem to trend towards "belief" here and not science.

 

[Cujet]

I've never served in the military. Nor have I spent time around carriers and subs. It is my guess that this is why I've not seen any of these UFO's.

 

[Exhaustgases]

Issac Newton would be blown away by the physics of now. Just like he was in the dark (had zero idea) about our now publicly known physics, we all are in the dark about the advanced physics that now are used in secret.
Just listen to Greer's whistle blowers.
The reason no military interest in the subject is obvious, they know all about it and it is secret.

Displacing air to travel? They are moving in a different realm, the air is in our realm. Same goes for other physical effects on them or occupants. Our thinking is like Newton trying to think about light speed and the large atomic accelerators, all things he knew nothing about.

 

[Cujet]

Issac Newton would be blown away by the physics of now.

Displacing air to travel? They are moving in a different realm, the air is in our realm

Newtonian physics are better than 99.9% accurate. Einsteinian corrections for, say, ultra long distance and high speed spacecraft travel are quite minor with regard to percentage. Those "error bars" I spoke about above trend strongly towards truth, nearing 100% with Newtonian physics. Being off by only a tiny amount. About the chance of winning a major lottery.

Nothing in physics even hints at the ability to move a significant mass through matter without interaction. The "error bars" here tend strongly towards "false", but not zero.

Nor is there a way to offset inertia. We can and do counter the acceleration of gravity, that's never been in question. Astronauts do it daily. But the effects of inertia are fundamental.

 

[Exhaustgases]

Newtonian physics is a discovery, you mean there can be no more discovery's?
The physics we know, maybe different in different realms or conditions.
The way I see it is there is no true material (mass) what so ever, in the end it is all just energy.
We are no longer is the 1700's.

 

[TiGeo]

Staggering to think that we have a handle on it all at this point....

 

[Cujet]

Staggering to think that we have a handle on it all at this point....

I make no such claim, clearly we fall short.

We must make a distinction between belief and science. Science gets things right with a high degree of certainty, and accepts error correction.

For the nerds among us, I suggest a book called "Einstein's Fridge" by Paul Sen. The audible version is fantastic.

It is easy to read and understand, a narrative history and physics lesson, told with enthusiasm. The strong point of the book is how it ties all of the information together towards the end. Even knowing much of what was contained, I came away with a clarity I had not possessed before.

https://www.amazon.com/Einsteins-Fridge-Difference-Explains-Universe/dp/1501181300

 

[TiGeo]

I make no such claim, clearly we fall short.

We must make a distinction between belief and science. Science gets things right with a high degree of certainty, and accepts error correction.

For the nerds among us, I suggest a book called "Einstein's Fridge" by Paul Sen. The audible version is fantastic.

It is easy to read and understand, a narrative history and physics lesson, told with enthusiasm. The strong point of the book is how it ties all of the information together towards the end. Even knowing much of what was contained, I came away with a clarity I had not possessed before.

https://www.amazon.com/Einsteins-Fridge-Difference-Explains-Universe/dp/1501181300

I'm a scientist - I understand how that part of it works w/r to belief and science. To think that we have all mastered our universe w/r to how the known physics can be applied is...as I said..staggering.

 

[KrisZ]

Playing "what if" is very easy. But we have yet to encounter any verifiable examples of "broken physics". Well, we sort of did.

Can you guys give an example outside of the UFO phenomenon?

 

[MolaKule]

Apparently NASA set up a study panel in May of 2023 to also study UAP phenomena:

https://science.nasa.gov/uap

here is a partial list of the members on this panel, about 17 members. one of which is Scott Kelley some of the members are:

• David Spergel was selected to chair NASA’s independent study on unidentified anomalous phenomena. He is the president of the Simons Foundation where he was the founding director of its Flatiron Institute for Computational Astrophysics. His interests range from the search for planets and nearby stars to the shape of the universe. He has measured the age, shape and composition of the universe and played a key role in establishing the standard model of cosmology. A MacArthur “Genius” Fellow, Spergel has been cited in publications more than 100,000 times.

• Scott Kelly is a former NASA astronaut, test pilot, fighter pilot, and retired U.S. Navy captain. He commanded the International Space Station Expeditions 26, 45, and 46. He was also the pilot of Space Shuttle Discovery for the third Hubble Servicing Mission. He was selected for a year-long mission to the space station where he set the record at the time for the total accumulated number of days spent in space. Prior to NASA, Kelly was the first pilot to fly the F-14 with a new digital flight control system. He flew the F-14 Tomcat in fighter squadron VF-143 aboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower. He is a two-time New York Times bestselling author and was recognized by Time magazine in 2015 as one of the most influential people in the world.

• Paula Bontempi has been a biological oceanographer for more than 25 years. She is the sixth dean and the second woman to lead the Graduate School of Oceanography at the University of Rhode Island (URI). She is also a professor of oceanography at URI. She spent eighteen years at NASA and was appointed acting deputy director of NASA’s Earth Science Division for the Science Mission Directorate. She also led NASA’s research on ocean biology, biogeochemistry, the carbon cycle and ecosystems, as well as many NASA Earth observing satellite missions in marine science. She is a fellow of The Oceanography Society.

• David Grinspoon is a senior scientist at the Planetary Science Institute in Tuscon, Arizona, and serves as a frequent advisor to NASA on space exploration. He is on science teams for several interplanetary spacecraft missions including the DAVINCI mission to Venus. He is the former inaugural Baruch S. Blumberg NASA/Library of Congress Chair in Astrobiology. His research focuses on comparative planetology especially regarding climate evolution and the implications of habitability on earth-like planets. He was awarded the Carl Sagan Medal by the American Astronomical Society and he is an elected Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He is also an adjunct professor of Astrophysical and Planetary Science at the University of Colorado in Boulder, Colorado, as well as Georgetown University in Washington.

• Matt Mountain is the president of The Association of Universities for Research and Astronomy, known as AURA. At AURA, Mountain oversees a consortium of 44 universities nationwide and four international affiliates who help NASA and the National Science Foundation build and operate observatories including NASA’s Hubble Telescope and James Webb Space Telescope. He also serves as a telescope scientist for Webb and is a member of its Science Working Group. He is the former director of The Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, and the International Gemini Observatory in Hilo, Hawaii.

• Joshua Semeter is a professor of electrical and computer engineering as well as the director of the Center for Space Physics at Boston University. At Boston University, he researches interactions between Earth’s ionosphere and the space environment. Activities in Semeter’s lab include the development of optical and magnetic sensor technologies, radar experiment design and signal processing, and the application of tomographic and other inversion techniques to the analysis of distributed, multi-mode measurements of the space environment.

• Shelley Wright is an associate professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego’s Center for Astrophysics and Space Studies. She specializes in galaxies, supermassive black holes and building optical and infrared instruments for telescopes using adaptive optics such as integral field spectrographs. She is a Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) researcher and instrumentalist. She is also the principal investigator for the UC San Diego Optical Infrared Laboratory. Previously, she was an assistant professor at the University of Toronto’s Dunlap Institute.

• The full list can be seen here: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-announces-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-study-team-members/

 

[MolaKule]

Response From a Senator:

"In recent years, there have been increased documented cases of UAP by the Department of Defense (DOD), which means the equipment is not a known aircraft or drone. Often times, the UAP is also not detected by radar as a device that is in the United States airspace.

On June 25, 2021, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) provided a report to Congress regarding a preliminary assessment on UAP following the enactment of the Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) for fiscal year 2021, which directed the DNI to submit a report to Congress within 180 days. You can find the preliminary assessment on UAP at https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

Further, the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for fiscal year 2022 directed the Director of National Intelligence and Secretary of Defense to submit an annual report to Congress about UAP. The FY22 NDAA also required establishing an office in the DOD to work with DNI on UAP. Therefore, the DNI renamed the Airborne Object Identification and Management Group (AOIMSG) to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), and the DOD and DNI announced the new AARO in July 2022. You can read more about the AARO at https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3100053/dod-announces-the-establishment-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office/ "

You can also read the 2022 annual report on UAP at https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2023/item/2354-2022-annual-report-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena

 

[MolaKule]

The plasma sheath appears around a hypersonic body. Think Space Shuttle on re-entry. This isn't the the same thing as your suggested plasma projected hologram.

The context of the various papers and text is to show that a Plasma has a radar cross section regardless of whether the plasma is a result of electrical energy or thermal (frictional heating) energy.

Some of the reports said that there were radar contacts with the some of these UAP's.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

The context of the various papers and text is to show that a Plasma has a radar cross section regardless of whether the plasma is a result of electrical energy or thermal (frictional heating) energy.

Some of the reports said that there were radar contacts with the some of these UAP's.

Again, You're hypothesizing that there's a plasma hologram which can be projected tens of miles into the sky and moved around like a dot on the wall with a laser pointer. You're also suggesting that the point sources (You need more than 1) for this hologram are located outside the operational theatre below the horizon yet this alleged hologram can travel down to the surface.

Also we're talking multiple contacts which were being detected for over the week prior to the carrier arriving on station. It wasn't until the carrier arrived that the USN could get visuals.

 

[KrisZ]

Again, You're hypothesizing that there's a plasma hologram which can be projected tens of miles into the sky and moved around like a dot on the wall with a laser pointer. You're also suggesting that the point sources (You need more than 1) for this hologram are located outside the operational theatre below the horizon yet this alleged hologram can travel down to the surface.

Also we're talking multiple contacts which were being detected for over the week prior to the carrier arriving on station. It wasn't until the carrier arrived that the USN could get visuals.

I don’t you you’re even realizing that statistically speaking the hologram tech is much more plausible than actual alien ships.

So it fine to hypothesize all sorts of fantastic attributes/technology to aliens, but not something that we are at least theoretically capable of doing?

 

[buster]

Hologram technology didn't exist as it does now from the 1940's through late 70's. Holograms are not a plausible explanation IMO. They would have to be all over the world, at different locations, at different times. They could be an explanation for "some" cases, but the size and scope we're talking about goes beyond hologram explanation. It's been discussed and disputed for quite some time now.

Orbs are something I don't know much about. However, I do not attribute them to atmospheric phenomena. They exhibit very unusual behavior at lower levels of the atmosphere that are nowhere near the jet stream.