Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[BMWTurboDzl]

I don’t you you’re even realizing that statistically speaking the hologram tech is much more plausible than actual alien ships.

So it fine to hypothesize all sorts of fantastic attributes/technology to aliens, but not something that we are at least theoretically capable of doing?

It's not theoretically possible. Here's why the plasma hologram theory fails on so many levels.

No 1 - Plasma beam needs something to hold it together like magnetism. Then you must project that beam tens of miles away. That is not going to happen.
No 2 - Requires a tremendous amount of energy to project great distances. - No large ships outside the USN were present.
No 3 - Needs to be projected from multiple angles in order to create the hologram. - No large ships outside the USN were present.
No 4 - Due to the curvature of the earth these multiple energy sources must all remain within visual contact of each other in order to move the hologram to the surface of the ocean. - No large ships outside the USN were present.
No 5 - Neither surface level moisture or the aircraft flying around the UAP must not interfere with any of these beams or the hologram is lost.

IMO there's zero chance that these multiple UAPS were holograms of any sort.

 

[KrisZ]

The hologram theory applies to the training even from the early 2000s, at least that was my understanding.

Now, if we go back to the 40s you will notice the shapes were different, most if not all were saucer shaped and weren’t reported to be dead quiet. As time went on the shapes changed, the noise emission changed as well.

I know many of you will say that’s aliens improving their tech, but let’s think for a moment with a logistical mind. How could an alien civilization send new craft so quickly over the vast distances of space?
Also, a space faring civilization would have to be at the very peak of their technological advancement, they would send their very best and long lasting designs out into the deep space exploration. There wouldn’t be any dramatic changes.

 

[KrisZ]

It's not theoretically possible. Here's why the plasma hologram theory fails on so many levels.

No 1 - Plasma beam needs something to hold it together like magnetism. Then you must project that beam tens of miles away. That is not going to happen.
No 2 - Requires a tremendous amount of energy to project great distances. - No large ships outside the USN were present.
No 3 - Needs to be projected from multiple angles in order to create the hologram. - No large ships outside the USN were present.
No 4 - Due to the curvature of the earth these multiple energy sources must all remain within visual contact of each other in order to move the hologram to the surface of the ocean. - No large ships outside the USN were present.
No 5 - Neither surface level moisture or the aircraft flying around the UAP must not interfere with any of these beams or the hologram is lost.

IMO there's zero chance that these multiple UAPS were holograms of any sort.

Yes, you’re absolutely right, zero chance of us being capable of producing a hologram.

Most alien skeptics don’t even use such absolute terms, but you sound so sure of yourself.

 

[buster]

It remains a mystery and outside of our understanding at this point in time. This is why NASA among other agencies are now looking into it. All of the hypotheses linked/posted so far are nothing new.

What I'm hoping for now is that the witnesses and information Grusch has that he presented to the IG is looked at further.

 

[alarmguy]

Apparently NASA set up a study panel in May of 2023 to also study UAP phenomena:

https://science.nasa.gov/uap

here is a partial list of the members on this panel, about 17 members. one of which is Scott Kelley some of the members are:

Does a panel or countless studies matter if we cant get the military and secret agencies to release the information that they have been accused of accumulating for the last 70 years or more?

Now that we have breaking news about it in the last 5 years once again, late in 2022 NASA creates another panel. What is to study if they cant get the information other than the stuff that everyone already knows?

Our own Congress has been stonewalled. There is a reason that we do not know and I dont expect if they cant get the information a NASA panel is not going to either. This is like throwing the dog a bone.

 

[buster]

Does a panel or countless studies matter if we cant get the military and secret agencies to release the information that they have been accused of accumulating for the last 70 years or more?

Now that we have breaking news about it in the last 5 years once again, late in 2022 NASA creates another panel. What is to study if they cant get the information other than the stuff that everyone already knows?

Our own Congress has been stonewalled. There is a reason that we do not know and I dont expect if they cant get the information a NASA panel is not going to either. This is like throwing the dog a bone.

One of the more eye-opening aspects to all of this is exactly what you have stated - not only is Congress unaware, but they also can't even get access to this information. Literally stonewalled.

 

[fisher83]

I was previously disinterested in the subject but this thread made me reconsider. Going to watch it today!

 

[buster]

• The personnel interviewed by Grusch shared extreme detail about the programs they are working on and Grusch found it credible.
• Grusch investigated this topic for 4 years before believing it is credible and 100% factual then submitted a report to DOD Oversight Director which in 2023 determined it as “Credible and urgent”. This has been forwarded to Congress.
• Grusch has known Kirkpatrick for eight years and has discussed the subject with him. Grusch is unsure why Kirkpatrick has not contacted Grusch on this matter or why key evidence has not been presented.
• Grusch says he will "Make myself available to Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, who was a recipient of my complaints - "I'm happy to further brief elected officials on the specific ecosystem of secrecy down to the fine details."
• AARO does not have the adequate security clearance (it has Title 10, needs Title 50) in order to actually investigate some of the operations that the crash retrieval program falls under - This has been also reported by Coulthart independently.
• The videos released by the pentagon in 2020 were “just the tip of the iceberg” and he claims that additional video (or other) evidence exists that are far more extraordinary. This also speaks to the fact that he has seen these pieces of video with his own eyes.
• Nukes are an ongoing concern to NHI.

Some key highlights.

 

[SaberOne]

This is an update to my post #34 where I missplaced the reference video.

”Bob Lazar Explains How UFO Crafts Works And Physics Behind Them”

 

[MolaKule]

Does a panel or countless studies matter if we cant get the military and secret agencies to release the information that they have been accused of accumulating for the last 70 years or more?

If you read my prior comments, my proposed solution is to empanel a widely diverse group of scientists and engineers with subpoena powers to gather, categorize, and then analyze any and all available data.

This panel would have funding from Congress but would have the same type of relationship as the inspector's generals (IG's).

Without subpoena powers you will most likely get nowhere.

 

[buster]

Lazar is interesting. Unfortunately, this topic is loaded with garbage from hoaxes, charlatans and everything in between. It's one of the reasons why scientists have historically stayed away from it. Guys like Greer etc ... that just make things worse.

While Lazar has some red flags that show up, he does come across very believable.

 

[MolaKule]

The claims made by David Grusch is that the U.S. government has vehicles of non-human origin that it has retrieved over several decades and that efforts are attempting to reverse engineer the vehicles. Mr. Grusch shares that he has never personally seen the vehicles and that he bases his claims on a combination of reports and accounts from colleagues.

 

[buster]

The claims made by David Grusch is that the U.S. government has vehicles of non-human origin that it has retrieved over several decades and that efforts are attempting to reverse engineer the vehicles. Mr. Grusch shares that he has never personally seen the vehicles and that he bases his claims on a combination of reports and accounts from colleagues.

Correct - 4 years with 40 witnesses, photographic evidence and exact locations of where these things are allegedly located. Let's get to the bottom of this to confirm. He was under oath and appears highly credible. I want confirmation as much as anyone else.

 

[MolaKule]

I nominate Travis Taylor of Skinwalker Ranch fame, to head up any investigations.

 

[alarmguy]

If you read my prior comments, my proposed solution is to empanel a widely diverse group of scientists and engineers with subpoena powers to gather, categorize, and then analyze any and all available data.

This panel would have funding from Congress but would have the same type of relationship as the inspector's generals (IG's).

Without subpoena powers you will most likely get nowhere.

Its hard to keep track of 14 pages of posts
If so you would know I feel the same as well as others and was the purpose of this congressional committee. To open the doors from our intelligence agencies that work for us and give us the information that we pay for. (pretty much what the commission says)

Thing is, if the doors are ever opened, I dont think anything will need to be left to the imagination. They are hiding information.
Subpoena powers sound great but one has to know where to look and without knowing where to look much can still be hidden.
Im more for a commitment by our leaders to open the doors to congress, filter what maybe we dont want our adversaries to know (which maybe the problem to begin with)

 

[TiGeo]

I nominate Travis Taylor of Skinwalker Ranch fame, to head up any investigations.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Yes, you’re absolutely right, zero chance of us being capable of producing a hologram.

Most alien skeptics don’t even use such absolute terms, but you sound so sure of yourself.

I'm speaking specifically with regards to a plasma hologram. Holograms are easy to make. I can buy one off amazon or make a crude one via YT videos. The problem with the plasma hologram theory is scaling it and putting the pieces in place. If we were talking about of the skies of a major city then ya maybe some highly technical shenanigan but that's different than the vast open ocean with nothing else around.

The UAPs observed by the Navy were solid objects with reflective surfaces. I'm of course open to better suggestions as to what they were.

 

[Redhawk454]

ive said this quite a bit on other forums but my opinion....

the whole ufo disclosure thing by the pentagon, cia, nsa etc. is a disinformation campaign designed to distract the masses from more mundane matters..

you know whats in front of you? a collapsing southern border, high inflation, threats of ww3..

you know whats not above our heads? Ufos...

my reasoning? They government has, in the past 6 years, been leading the masses to believe to ufos are real, flying around our skies with impunity... but they never rly disclose anything. They will show that black and white footage of a goose from 2004 and claim its a ufo..

 

[Redhawk454]

You talking about Stephen Greers pet project?

If so yes, but Im not really a fan of Greer.

the dude is a profit agent

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

The hologram theory applies to the training even from the early 2000s, at least that was my understanding.

Now, if we go back to the 40s you will notice the shapes were different, most if not all were saucer shaped and weren’t reported to be dead quiet. As time went on the shapes changed, the noise emission changed as well.

I know many of you will say that’s aliens improving their tech, but let’s think for a moment with a logistical mind. How could an alien civilization send new craft so quickly over the vast distances of space?
Also, a space faring civilization would have to be at the very peak of their technological advancement, they would send their very best and long lasting designs out into the deep space exploration. There wouldn’t be any dramatic changes.

We don't know what we don't know. The current theory is that all civilizations eventually implode and it happens so quickly, in terms of space time, that it's extremely unlikely that you'd have two civilizations maturing at the same time within a distance that could be traveled based on our current understanding of space/time. However, what is the probability of civilizations passing on technology and is there something about astrophysics that these civilizations have mastered which enables them to workaround the space/time problem?

Based on the congressional testimony there is evidence of something which is tangible.