Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project
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I see nothing wrong with how MolaKule conducted himself in this thread. In fact I have not seen bad conduct from him in any thread I read.
Leadcounsel, you take it way too seriously and personally. Nobody here called you a liar, a cheat, insane, delusional or any other derogatory term for what you have seen.
I can’t speak for others but personally I believe you. I’m just not convinced this was not man made.
Like I mentioned earlier, if we at least got forensic sketch artists involved and got some sketches going from various witnesses, perhaps a pattern would emerge. Maybe a consistency in design, shape etc. A scientific approach.
Having hearings in front of self serving politicians that would probably have a hard time telling a microchip from a potato chip does not bring anything new to the table, nor does it legitimize the claims IMO.
Leadcounsel, you take it way too seriously and personally. Nobody here called you a liar, a cheat, insane, delusional or any other derogatory term for what you have seen.
I can’t speak for others but personally I believe you. I’m just not convinced this was not man made.
Like I mentioned earlier, if we at least got forensic sketch artists involved and got some sketches going from various witnesses, perhaps a pattern would emerge. Maybe a consistency in design, shape etc. A scientific approach.
Having hearings in front of self serving politicians that would probably have a hard time telling a microchip from a potato chip does not bring anything new to the table, nor does it legitimize the claims IMO.
To all the skeptics here...
For the 2004 F18 cam footage. What do you speculate these objects are? We have photos/video. We have eyewitness testimony both from highly credible Naval Aviators that flew with/against them and the radar folks on the ship that tracked them. Not sure how much more credible you can get. My dad was a Naval Aviator...he's as credible as they come...if he told me saw XYZ while flying, I would believe him.
Me?
1) Some sort of human tech/drones. I always think back to the 1950s/60s Lockheed Skunk Works...SR71. That was ~70 years ago. It's quite possible that we have developed technology that would seem to "defy the laws of physics"*.
2) Something non-human/space alien/time traveler/inter-dimensional.
I see no other options.
These (speaking only to the 2004 F18 footage) are not (not sure how they could be based on the physical evidence we have):
1) hallucinations
2) projected holograms
3) weather phenomena
4) other?
Note that list of 4 above is the likely source for many UAP/UFO reports over the years.
*you can't defy the laws of physics but what folks are trying to say when they say that phrase is that these objects are beyond our understanding of the laws of physics or how we can utilize them to propel vehicles.
Why would a government seek to cover up/hide this info? Should be easy to rationalize....here in 2004 you have something that out-gunned the U.S. Navy. Pretty important info for an adversary to have (either way human/alien/other). Also important to keep secret if you are using this tech to develop other tech ("reverse engineer").
It's interesting for sure!!!
For the 2004 F18 cam footage. What do you speculate these objects are? We have photos/video. We have eyewitness testimony both from highly credible Naval Aviators that flew with/against them and the radar folks on the ship that tracked them. Not sure how much more credible you can get. My dad was a Naval Aviator...he's as credible as they come...if he told me saw XYZ while flying, I would believe him.
Me?
1) Some sort of human tech/drones. I always think back to the 1950s/60s Lockheed Skunk Works...SR71. That was ~70 years ago. It's quite possible that we have developed technology that would seem to "defy the laws of physics"*.
2) Something non-human/space alien/time traveler/inter-dimensional.
I see no other options.
These (speaking only to the 2004 F18 footage) are not (not sure how they could be based on the physical evidence we have):
1) hallucinations
2) projected holograms
3) weather phenomena
4) other?
Note that list of 4 above is the likely source for many UAP/UFO reports over the years.
*you can't defy the laws of physics but what folks are trying to say when they say that phrase is that these objects are beyond our understanding of the laws of physics or how we can utilize them to propel vehicles.
Why would a government seek to cover up/hide this info? Should be easy to rationalize....here in 2004 you have something that out-gunned the U.S. Navy. Pretty important info for an adversary to have (either way human/alien/other). Also important to keep secret if you are using this tech to develop other tech ("reverse engineer").
It's interesting for sure!!!
Whatever these things are it is obviously not causing a major military reaction. Also these sightings are primarily happening to the US personnel, that in and of itself is super weird and suspect.
"I saw a craft that defies logic, and my credentials. That makes me, not you, a subject matter expert on this topic. I take **** from nobody, and have more power, wealth, and influence than you and your irrelevant forum. A person that explains motor oil, is a nobody in my book. I have worlds more, than you, to offer on this topic... "IDK..." "what oil should I use...."
These are all your words. Just rearranged to "appear to be juvenile and petty with nonsensical childish arbitrary idiocy."
"I laugh at it." I'm sure your aliens would be "embarrassed for you." Then again asphinchtersays....
What?
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I appreciate TiGeo's comments and I would offer the definition of Skeptic: "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations."
I take this to mean that with the proper evidence, even a skeptic can be convinced of something, so I suppose that puts me in the skeptic category, where I think scientists and others should have doubts and reservations about something until the proper evidence and testing can convince him otherwise.
In the meantime, I do understand some of the emotional feelings and radical thinking on this topic.
You may believe these objects are "other-worldly," i.e., from our own universe but outside Earth.
You may believe these objects are "extra-dimensional" or "inter-dimensional."
You may believe these objects are technologically advanced military craft.
And if anyone has read my prior comments, my proposed solution is to empanel a widely diverse group of scientists with subpoena powers to gather, categorize, and then analyze any and all available data. This panel would have funding from Congress but would have the same type of relationship as the inspector's generals (IG's).
I have proposed the above to all of the Senators and Reps in my state. If you have other solutions, then I encourage you to make them known as well.
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Mr. Kule - I would like to know...what is your thought on it though...what do you think the F18s saw? It's ok to have a hypothesis here and let us know. I get all the rest...
What is your hypothesis?
It would be quite normal to see what the videos show and have an emotional reaction (as the pilots in the video did!) when they see something that has no apparent propulsion system or flight control surfaces moving like this....much like a primitive group of folks on an isolated island would if we flew an F18 over them and landed it in front of them.
The U.S. Govt has, over time, done just that...had scientists (Dr. J. Allen Hynek) look at this and I am quite sure has many of them know doing the same.
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You're assumption is that the aircraft in such sightings had people sitting inside them. They could have been completely unmanned.
Or manipulate gravity in such a way that they can be inside...
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. For decades this was a topic that was highly ridiculed. What makes it more exciting now are the people coming forward that are highly trained professionals in multiple fields of study. I really like Mellon, Elizondo, Nolan, Gaves, Fravor and Grusch on this topic. None of them, to my knowledge, were ufo geeks before all this happened. I would highly recommend looking at those individuals on this topic. There are so many phonies out there.
2017 raised the interest bar many levels for me. At the very least let's investigate this much further. Last week was a good start.
2017 raised the interest bar many levels for me. At the very least let's investigate this much further. Last week was a good start.
Or manipulate time and space around the vehicle. To them i could be leisurely movement, to us incredible speed and G force appearance.
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Mr. Geo,
I think the pilots reported exactly what they observed.
I hypothesized (in earlier threads) that these were laser-projected, holographic images (well within our current technological capabilities) designed to test the reactions of pilots in a psychological sense, and to test the capabilities of our military sensor packages (hardware). I based this on the fact that most of these images seem to appear during training flights in which those aircraft were armed with only dummy weaponry at most. [As a side note, this may well change). This hypothesis of course can be falsified by any new discoveries.
As for many of the civilian sightings, I hypothesize these may be the result of ball lightning, sprites, proton arcs moved by high level jet streams or low level shear winds, phenomenon in which are part of the global "electric circuit" and other things we are just now discovering. This hypothesis of course can be falsified by any new discoveries.
If the above are not this phenomena, then I propose a rather esoteric explanation, another hypothesis: We have been studying Quantum Gravity and Quantum Field Theory, in both the theoretical and the applied sense, for the past 97 years. This study may have resulted in advanced craft in which this craft has its own internal gravitational field and also warps the external gravitational field so as to be able to move in unprecedented fashion.
A valid question then becomes: Why show this advanced capability for all the world to see? Possibly to demonstrate to our adversaries that we can be anywhere at any moment in time? Again, any of these hypothesis of course can be falsified by any new discoveries.
The F/A-18 pilot testified that the object was tracked by both F-18 aircraft, the USS Nimitz, and an E2C.
He also stated that when they approached it, it actively jammed the fighters radar.
This is interesting.
Thank you Mr. Kule. Appreciate the hypotheses.
The ships could've been on it and jamming as part of the exercise.
MolaKule
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It would be interesting to know if any of our non-training, armed aircraft on regular flight duty has seen or encountered any of these UAP's.
Right now, I am more concerned with Russia shooting down our UAV's and Chinese aircraft flying too close to Alaska's shores.
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If your a person that has followed this UFO or UAP topic for the last 60 or so years, and read the many old books on the topic.
Its seems there was a development process of UFO's along with a mix of the more modern types sighted as well.
I remember reading about saucers with rivets that where visible, some that were smoking and clanking, some sounded like diesel locomotives, some made no sound and on and on. To me the most significant UFO sightings are the war time LA incident, and the 1952 White house incidents, far more interesting than the Roswell incident.
Why are they a big secret? Because of what they can be used for?
Its seems there was a development process of UFO's along with a mix of the more modern types sighted as well.
I remember reading about saucers with rivets that where visible, some that were smoking and clanking, some sounded like diesel locomotives, some made no sound and on and on. To me the most significant UFO sightings are the war time LA incident, and the 1952 White house incidents, far more interesting than the Roswell incident.
Why are they a big secret? Because of what they can be used for?
Holographic images don't have mass.
MolaKule
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Holographic images are composed of say a cube of photons and these photons create a localized plasma.
Photons do not have a zero rest mass, but have an experimental limit of
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Photon and Graviton Mass Limits, Alfred Scharff Goldhaber∗,† and Michael Martin Nieto†∗C. N. Yang Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY Stony Brook, NY 11794-3840 USAand †Theoretical Division (MS B285), Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, NM 87545 USA, 2010.
If the photon has a mass, this plasma would behave differently, namely, there would be currents produced and the plasma would get accelerated.
These currents that are produced could very well produce Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) since plasmas are very noisy and produce a wide spectrum of RFI.
For example, the next time you go to a restaurant bring a portable pocket radio capable of AM reception with you and hold it near the "Open" sign. A neon sign is simply a low energy plasma generator.
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Back in 2020 or so I came across a good article on plasma laser hologram theory. It sounded like very impressive technology from what I read. I also think it's one of the best explanations for some UAP sightings. The more I read about it then the more plausible I thought it was. EM warfare technology. However there are limitations to that technology and UAPs predate it. It would also have to be available all over the world, which I guess could be possible.
“Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation”
If a country has the possibility to fool radar with anything non physical, at scale, all our missile defense systems would be ineffective. Would they have been developed then? (Iron dome/Nato).
Much more than the tic tac though.
“Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation”
If a country has the possibility to fool radar with anything non physical, at scale, all our missile defense systems would be ineffective. Would they have been developed then? (Iron dome/Nato).
Much more than the tic tac though.
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