Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[MolaKule]

...I didn't realize I was obligated to answer questions here...

Agree, disagree, I really don't care. Nor do I care to argue these points in this discussion. I'm just answering questions presented to me...

If you post many will comment on your posts, question your responses, or ask you to clarify. This is the nature of a public forum and you have not been given immunity from questions or clarifications.

Yes we know you are in the legal profession; how could we forget as you have reminded us so many times, but most could care less. You must realize you are not in a courtroom.

Yet you have continually argued points in the discussion.

 

[mk378]

in about a 5 year period reflecting a tiny fraction of human existence, we had seemingly magical technologies at hand. I would add to that list to include radar, LEDs, Plasma light, X-rays, splitting atoms, sonar,

This has been more than a 100 year period. All of those are clearly based on incremental human discoveries and inventions building on top of previous human work.

The same with your previous example of the microchip. Once the transistor was invented, the idea of making multiple interconnected transistors on the same small piece of silicon was obvious. Over about 60 years of improvement to printing and processing technique we are where it is now. Examples of this gradual evolution are everywhere in junk piles and museums.

Technologies that have military application get priority for personnel and funding, especially during periods of war. Radar advanced quickly during WWII as a lot of people and money were dedicated to the task. The fundamental physics that allows radar to work was well known from experience with radio waves.

 

[KrisZ]

So why discredit their testimony under oath by calling it a political show or parade?
Have you ever seen this type of testimony regarding UFOs under oath?
Do you not think it’s important to have this as an official record to get the ball rolling and hopefully help lift the wall of secrecy (stone walling) requests for information by our intelligence services?

I discredit the notion that these hearings is some sort of proof of extraterrestrials or that they legitimize the claims of extraterrestrials.
We had Fauci under oath too, nothing happened after the show ended. To me these hearings have no legitimacy at all.

I agree that this may start the ball rolling, although I’m skeptical about that too. If these politicians find this thing doesn’t improve their ratings with the voters, they will likely drop the subject and move on to something that does improve their ratings.

What we need is what MolaKule mentioned, a scientific panel and methods.

For example, why not get professional forensic sketch artists involved to start sketching all of these objects? Then let the engineers and scientists examine them.

 

[mk378]

It's my understanding that no one appearing before the committee is claiming to have seen firsthand any captured alien being or object. If there are such beings or objects, firsthand witnesses would also exist.

 

[Kruse]

I'll put in my little jab on this subject before it's run the course and gets locked.
There may or may not be men or creatures for outer space, I really don't care or lose sleep over it.
But did you ever notice there's always some big hub-bub (like this) whenever the people in charge want a diversion from their or their own family indiscretions?
This subject will soon die away from the media and will be forgotten in a few months.

 

[alarmguy]

I discredit the notion that these hearings is some sort of proof of extraterrestrials or that they legitimize the claims of extraterrestrials.
We had Fauci under oath too, nothing happened after the show ended. To me these hearings have no legitimacy at all.

I agree that this may start the ball rolling, although I’m skeptical about that too. If these politicians find this thing doesn’t improve their ratings with the voters, they will likely drop the subject and move on to something that does improve their ratings.

What we need is what MolaKule mentioned, a scientific panel and methods.

For example, why not get professional forensic sketch artists involved to start sketching all of these objects? Then let the engineers and scientists examine them.

You can’t have a scientific panel if the scientists aren’t given the information.
That IS what this committee is about getting our government to allow us access.

Hello, they have been stonewalled and please don’t anyone deny that. Or there is no sense of a discussion here. In thst case I would suggest going back and watching the entire thing all over again.

Let’s stop with the extra terrestrial thing. It’s wearing thin. We have unidentified craft flying in our air space that defies all logic and it is a National Security interest to figure out where and what it’s coming from.

I know I said this before but I’ve said all I have to say about our conversations you’re entitled to your opinion and deny all you want.
Including valid testimony, given under oath, which, by the way, sometimes testimony alone is the evidence used in police enforcement actions that people end up in prison for so let’s not keep discounting that too easily either.
If you watch the video, the purpose of this commission is not to identify the flying objects it is to open the doors inside our government that we pay for and stop stonewalling the request for information.

This is so elementary, the full context of the congressional committee that you feel is well actually you have no faith in anything in our system.
I can’t help with that, and you’re certainly entitled to feel that way. I have been very impressed with the committee and its professionalism. Actually proud of the work that they have done on this.

 

[KrisZ]

This is so elementary, the full context of the congressional committee that you feel is well actually you have no faith in anything in our system.
I can’t help with that, and you’re certainly entitled to feel that way. I have been very impressed with the committee and its professionalism. Actually proud of the work that they have done on this.

We will find out soon enough just how much they do with this. My prediction, nothing at all.

I agree with @Kruse that it could be just another diversion to keep us occupied and talking about nonsense.

 

[alarmguy]

This was in the works well before anything related to laptops etc. It's been decades. This all escalated when Lou Elizondo came out in 2017 and said when he worked with the UAP task force this was a major concern. The idea that this was chosen this week to hide something is really a huge stretch.

Spot on and if one watches the committee, is a NON partisan committee from both sides.

 

[KrisZ]

How can this be such a major concern where the sightings by pilots go back all the way to WW2 with no known acts of aggression from these crafts?

It’s more theatrics IMO.

Or maybe the goal is to create another government agency and get funding to “investigate” something that can be perpetually investigated without any solid results? More cushy jobs.

 

[alarmguy]

How can this be such a major concern where the sightings by pilots go back all the way to WW2 with no known acts of aggression from these crafts?
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That was covered in the testimony too.
... and how does one determine what is a threat and what is not a threat to flying objects in our airspace that we can not identify?
It's the government job to protect us and why we pay taxes.
How do fighter pilots and radar and satellite know if a weapon that we do not know comes from China, N Korea, Iran, Russia is one of them or one of the others? So if UFOs have been around forever and we ignore everything how to we know if one of the mentioned countries comes up with something we dont know, do we then ignore that too?

Answer = you do not allow unidentified objects in your airspace without investigating and ready to defend if possible or threatened
Whos to say one wont be a tic toc shaped missile one day, do we just ignore it and say oh, that's one of those aliens and it turns out to be one of the mentioned countries bombs

Enough said on my part, its all in the testamony

 

[Kruse]

Back when Jimmy Carter was campaigning for president, he said that when he became president, he would open up any and all details about UFOs. Anybody here still waiting for that?
I haven't read all the posts here on this subject, but until they drag a real alien body into the hearings, what advantage is there to these hearings....unless there is an ulterior motive? You could have 1,000 top military brass believing in UFOs or outer space creatures, but until there is positive proof.....
BTW, I have a sister who lives in Roswell. I was there awhile back and that town LOVES the national hype and hysteria that is associated with all this. It brings in a lot of revenue.
Again, this subject will die down when it runs its course.

 

[JGmazda]

Back when Jimmy Carter was campaigning for president, he said that when he became president, he would open up any and all details about UFOs. Anybody here still waiting for that?
I haven't read all the posts here on this subject, but until they drag a real alien body into the hearings, what advantage is there to these hearings....unless there is an ulterior motive? You could have 1,000 top military brass believing in UFOs or outer space creatures, but until there is positive proof.....
BTW, I have a sister who lives in Roswell. I was there awhile back and that town LOVES the national hype and hysteria that is associated with all this. It brings in a lot of revenue.
Again, this subject will die down when it runs its course.

Yup... Until the next big event that takes the focus off of what's really happening "elsewhere"...

 

[andrewg]

House members suggest a "Select" committee to further investigate UAPs:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/group-house-members-want-select-184021379.html

 

[stormgol]

roswell is a cool place. i still have my alien t-shirts that i bought at the wal mart there. they had a special section with alien and ufo stuff.

 

[MolaKule]

"The select committee with the power to issue subpoenas — operating separate from a standing House committee — should be established to collect information from the Defense Department and other entities for the public's benefit and discharge Congress's constitutional, legislative and oversight roles."

Unless the subcommittee is to be staffed with independent scientists from every scientific field and discipline, and whose sole purpose is to investigate the full context of these phenomenon. we'll get nowhere and know very little.

"...As of the end of August 2022, there have been more than 500 UAP sightings over the last 17 years, according to a January report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and many were reported by U.S. Navy and Air Force aviators and operators..."

"...Sean Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO, which investigates UAP incidents, told a NASA study group in May that the office "has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics..."

 

[MolaKule]

BTW, here is some background on the AARO's establishment last year:

DoD Announces the Establishment of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office​

July 20, 2022 |

On July 15, 2022, Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, in coordination with the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), amended her original direction to the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security by renaming and expanding the scope of the Airborne Object Identification and Management Group (AOIMSG) to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), due to the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal 2022, which included a provision to establish an office, in coordination with DNI, with responsibilities that were broader than those originally assigned to the AOIMSG.

Today, USD(I&S) Hon. Ronald S. Moultrie informed the department of the establishment of AARO within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, and named Dr. Sean M. Kirkpatrick, most recently the chief scientist at the Defense Intelligence Agency's Missile and Space Intelligence Center, as the director of AARO.

The mission of the AARO will be to synchronize efforts across the Department of Defense, and with other U.S. federal departments and agencies, to detect, identify and attribute objects of interest in, on or near military installations, operating areas, training areas, special use airspace and other areas of interest, and, as necessary, to mitigate any associated threats to safety of operations and national security. This includes anomalous, unidentified space, airborne, submerged and transmedium objects.

The AARO Executive Council (AAROEXEC), led by Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security (USD(I&S)) Ronald Moultrie, will provide oversight and direction to the AARO along these primary lines of effort:
1. Surveillance, Collection and Reporting
2. System Capabilities and Design
3. Intelligence Operations and Analysis
4. Mitigation and Defeat
5. Governance
6. Science and Technology

See Deputy Secretary of Defense Hicks' AARO establishment memo here.
See USD(I&S) Moultrie's AARO establishment memo here.
Read Dr. Kirkpatrick's bio here.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releas...-of-the-all-domain-anomaly-resolution-office/

 

[Exhaustgases]

If you listen to some of the various witnesses, not just in the latest case, but the ones Greer had a month or so. And then the things people like Ben Rich have said. Our science and engineering has been said to be at least 50 years ahead of what we all think it is.
Just because we normal everyday car and airplane people don't know about it does not mean it does not exist.

 

[Cujet]

I have more time aloft than God himself. I've never seen any form of UAP. I am also an avid amateur astronomer, with years of observational experience.

I think this entire thing is/are A) Man made, B) Not real craft, C) laser projections based on ships, subs and other mil installations. D) location specific.

I do have to take issue with the "Billions of Light Years" comment by Senator Burlison, as it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of our galaxy. The star Proxima Centauri is 4.2 Light Years distant. In fact, there are a good number of stars within 12 light years, as in the pic below.

In fact, Earth could send small tough objects towards each and every one of these star's future predicted positions, and some might eventually arrive there, intact, be captured by a planet's gravity and crash there.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

They haven’t said anything new that was said before the hearings. I believe what they saw, just not the conclusion that’s it’s extraterrestrial. They themselves seem to be split on that as well.

No, not really. I don't recall a pilot ever saying his commanders built in safety protocols specifically to mitigate the dangers of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. We'll start there...

I was just an Army ground pounder, big and dumb. But if my commander said that when we go out into the field in the woods on bivouac, "make sure you are aware that there are these ape like creatures lurking in the trees and we have no idea what they are or their origin, but you need to avoid them and be careful". That might send up a giant red flag...

 

[leadcounsel]

I think this entire thing is/are A) Man made, B) Not real craft, C) laser projections based on ships, subs and other mil installations. D) location specific.

So, it's YOUR opinion that in the early 2000s, A) man made, or B) not real, or C) laser projections tricked the TOP SKILLED trained best US aircraft fighter pilots trained to defend the US against foreign attacks and tasked literally with the best offensive/defensive fighter pilot powers known to man.

I will politely state you are grossly uninformed. Your opinion is "pedestrian and uninformed." Signed: From a highly trained combat veteran, familiar with all aircraft into the early 2010s, who held a recent TS clearance. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I have more time aloft than God himself. I've never seen any form of UAP.

Okay. Yet I have. And millions of others. The utter dismissal and lack of ANY curiosity is alarming to be blunt. I'd be concerned about a pilot with utter non-interest in the most critical event in modern human history TBH.
You should be aware of the fact that aircraft that fly at speeds beyond human abilities, with 90 degree turns, instant acceleration, invisibility, no observable propulsion or lift, should be noteworthy. How can a "highly trained pilot" could ignore such defying tech. Seems fundamental to flight and safety, and general interest.

Hundreds of credible videos and photos and witness testimony abailable...