Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[alarmguy]

I still can’t help but wonder based on some of the comments it is clear that not everybody watched the 2 1/2 hours of testimony.

 

[KrisZ]

Don’t put words in my mouth and generalize statements I did not make as you reference in the last paragraph.

The preponderance of actual sightings, imaging and testimony from very knowledgeable individuals is indisputable.
To deny their statements by calling for hard evidence to me, is that of a person with a closed mind. With that type of attitude, we would never discover anything or seek to discover anything, because we were determined ahead of time there’s no evidence.
There is evidence, the evidence is the thoughts of experts in the field, navy ships with sophisticated equipment, trained Air Force pilots, satellite imaging and more.
Then we have people in the intelligence community, who risk having their lives, destroyed, trying to expose it.

Above all else we have commercial airline pilots, we have ordinary citizens on the ground, including some in this very forum.

And to actually deny that mankind is not at its most advanced in history is just plain silly. except maybe lifeforms that were here before us.

Anyway, obviously, we are at the ends of the debate, but there’s no sense in continuing on since our positions are clear. I’d like this thread to stay open, so there’s no sense in repeating further.

There is evidence that a lot of people, professionals etc. saw things that cannot be explained. Where exactly did I say they were all liars?

But you guys take it all as evidence of extraterrestrial beings. Now, for that you have absolute no proof and neither do the people that testified.

 

[leadcounsel]

To deny their statements by calling for hard evidence to me, is that of a person with a closed mind. With that type of attitude, we would never discover anything or seek to discover anything, because we were determined ahead of time there’s no evidence.

100% agree here. Humans have for centuries not had the testing equipment but have been able to determine with "best guess" and "process of elimination" or other "Kentucky windage" practices in all manner of the evolving sciences: Long before DNA was understood, humans understood genes were passed down through casual and causal observations and breeding. Long before germs were observable, germs were understood due to casual and causal relationships and cause and effect, etc. And so forth. In such instances we understood the general principles but had to develop the science to fully grasp the underlying info.

Here it is a similar but more complex situation because the .gov has been thrwarting efforts to gain this information for nearly a century. This is where transparency is needed. Open the vaults, show us the crafts and creatures. Show us the autopsies, the pictures, the tests... It's really that simple and all will be answered.

 

[alarmguy]

There is evidence that a lot of people, professionals etc. saw things that cannot be explained. Where exactly did I say they were all liars?

But you guys take it all as evidence of extraterrestrial beings. Now, for that you have absolute no proof and neither do the people that testified.

They testified that they saw things that defied physics as we know it.
They testified the way these objects maneuvered no human being could survive the movement.
They testified to the best of my recollection evasive maneuvers, radar jamming, movements, so fast they would disappear at the snap of a finger, much of the testimony did not focus on alien lifeforms other than when questioned would they consider this unworldly, and they all agreed, meaning unknown to this world as we know it was my interpretation.
You keep wanting to see alien lifeforms or some kind of proof, from crashed vehicles or maybe you need to go back and look at the beginning testimony from the congressman.
Well, maybe one day you’ll have it maybe you want to go back and watch the beginning problems our elected representatives are in getting information. It’s freaking scary to me.
To deny they’re being stonewalled well I can’t help you, I think I made my position clear, and at this point now we’re just repeating and regurgitating what were both saying to each other

 

[buster]

Grusch testified under oath that he provided names of people, program names, and locations of buildings where UAP's are hidden. All of this to the senate intel committee and the IGIC. If he lied about that, I suppose they could go after him for perjury. He really did provide the proof to back his claims to the people with the appropriate classification levels.

Grusch is just the first to go through the (new) legal channels to get to this point. With evidence that was good enough for the ICIG to give the green light. His lawyer is the former ICIG. All this lends credence to his claims/evidence. Grusch is saying that there is illegal activity regarding the coverup of whatever this is they found. The activity is multifarious and includes murder.

 

[KrisZ]

It seems you're taking an analogy far far to literal.

I cannot speak for others, but my interpretation of the ant analogy is that it is a casual analogy, not a literal one, in which we humans, while we believe we are sophisticated, are as irrelevant or easy to control or outmatch, and the vastness in our abilities to ants is akin to interstellar or interdimensional species, as ants are to humans. Note, as humans we study ants. Ants are unlikely to reverse engineer our technology, granted. But such an analogy falls short inasmuch as we humans can learn from and try to reverse engineer alien tech because we have a baseline grasp of science and tech, somewhat advanced learning abilities, etc. whereas ants lack any of this type of critical thinking, etc.

See, I understand the analogy quite well. I think you simply don’t realize just how extremely difficult it is to reverse engineer something.
Like I mentioned earlier, we cannot reverse engineer some of the ancient building techniques.

Now, if you apply such a vast gap in knowledge like an ant vs human, and how a lot of you describe aliens as these god like beings, there is now way we would even know where to begin the reverse engineering process.

That would be like asking a caveman to reverse engineer a smartphone. And that’s nowhere close to the ant vs human analogy you guys keep using.

 

[leadcounsel]

They testified that they saw things that defied physics as we know it.
They testified the way these objects maneuvered no human being could survive the movement.
They testified to the best of my recollection evasive maneuvers, radar jamming, movements, so fast they would disappear at the snap of a finger, much of the testimony did not focus on alien lifeforms other than when questioned would they consider this unworldly, and they all agreed, meaning unknown to this world as we know it was my interpretation.
You keep wanting to see alien lifeforms or some kind of proof, from crashed vehicles or maybe you need to go back and look at the beginning testimony from the congressman.
Well, maybe one day you’ll have it maybe you want to go back and watch the beginning problems our electrd representatives are in getting information. To deny they’re being stonewalled well I can’t help you, I think I made my position clear, and at this point now we’re just repeating and regurgitating what were both saying to each other

Nah, those Navy pilots with $10,000,000 in training flying the most advanced fighter jets known to mankind, are just confused lemmings. All Sailors on the Nimitz and other top shelf Naval ships, with the most advanced equipment known to man, are all just confused. Or lying. All those unclassified videos (which we are told is the tip of the iceberg) are all fabricated for entertainment. It's all a big hoax.

And those WWII pilots who saw the same types of crafts that could do the same maneuvers, called "Foo Fighters."

And the hundreds of civilian airline pilots too. Risking their careers and ridicule.

Been going on for decades. Yeah, those pilots were also in on the hoax. Apparently it's a ongoing con for pilots to fabricate what they see in the sky and call it in sometimes too.

 

[leadcounsel]

See, I understand the analogy quite well. I think you simply don’t realize just how extremely difficult it is to reverse engineer something.
Like I mentioned earlier, we cannot reverse engineer some of the ancient building techniques.

Now, if you apply such a vast gap in knowledge like an ant vs human, and how a lot of you describe aliens as these god like beings, there is now way we would even know where to begin the reverse engineering process.

That would be like asking a caveman to reverse engineer a smartphone. And that’s nowhere close to the ant vs human analogy you guys keep using.

You're grossly missing the plot here. What does our ability to reverse engineer alien craft, or our inability to do so, have any relevance to the answer to the much, much larger question at hand? It has no bearing on the existence of ETs. This is a simple logic equation....

 

[leadcounsel]

I'm done on this one. Not spending my evening attempting to educate people on open source information, including very compelling videos from governments and military that are CLEARLY many generations beyond human science and technology and flight ability.

The truth will come out, and hopefully very very soon.

 

[KrisZ]

You're grossly missing the plot here. What does our ability to reverse engineer alien craft, or our inability to do so, have any relevance to the answer to the much, much larger question at hand? It has no bearing on the existence of ETs. This is a simple logic equation....

Well it does. You brought up that our recent and rapid advancements in technology, like a microchip are a result of this reverse engineering. It’s simply illogical, you have realized that and now you’re trying to dismiss it.

 

[KrisZ]

They testified that they saw things that defied physics as we know it.
They testified the way these objects maneuvered no human being could survive the movement.
They testified to the best of my recollection evasive maneuvers, radar jamming, movements, so fast they would disappear at the snap of a finger, much of the testimony did not focus on alien lifeforms other than when questioned would they consider this unworldly, and they all agreed…

Anyone that says something broke or defied the laws of physics I will question their expertise right away, especially if they then proceed to describe object movements.
Scientifically speaking, the only object that we suspect brakes the laws of physics is the center of a black hole.

 

[MolaKule]

I have no idea how you are coming to all of your wildly incorrect conclusions on what my positions are. But that is incorrect as well. I am a very clear communicator and stated that the starting point of transparency is simply for the government to show us what it has. That does not require a single scientist. It just requires a film crew access to the secret storage units where there are these alleged UFOs and alien beings. I think the lay person can fairly quickly determine if a 6' tic tac, propelled by gravity devices, and with a 300 s/f interior is of human or non-human origin. Sure further down the road we need some scientists to aid the layperson along but the starting point is to show us the cards.

My question was: Do you or do you not have direct knowledge of the SCIF info?

Instead of throwing out a bunch of chaff and obfuscation why not just say, "No I do not have direct knowledge of the SCIF info?"

In cross examination in court, you wouldn't get away with this tactic.

You never did answer the question from post #144 regarding microchip reverse engineering. From where did we obtain reverse engineer microchip technology?

As another poster commented, "An official statement from the US government with independent verification" would be a good first step.

 

[leadcounsel]

My question was: Do you or do you not have direct knowledge of the SCIF info?

Why, specifically, would you repeatedly ask me if I have direct knowledge of compartmentalized highly classified information, or "SCIF" info? I never said I did, and I said I "had" a TS clearance, as in past tense. I have no insider knowledge, which I think I've made clear in numerous posts referring to OPEN SOURCE reporting on the topic. Examples would include:

From July 12 2023, 2 weeks ago:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/congressman-has-grim-take-after-access-to-ufo-footage-we-cant-handle-it

"A Tennessee lawmaker issued a dire warning after claiming to have seen classified UFO footage that hasn't been released to the public. Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., speculated extraterrestrial life forms could have technology that humanity "can't handle" during an appearance on the "Event Horizon" podcast. "

And from 2020: https://www.foxnews.com/science/classified-ufo-briefings-senators-disturbed-expert

""I welcome this long-overdue development," Nick Pope, a former employee and UFO investigator for Britain's Ministry of Defense, said in an email to Fox News. "It suggests that those senators who received last year's classified briefing on UFOs were disturbed by it and weren't satisfied with the current DOD position, i.e. simply stating that the mystery objects encountered by naval aviators remain unidentified."
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As it pertains to current hearing and events, Grush provided open testimony eluding to or expressly stating that the US has known of alien life forms since the 1930s, has covert operations and coverups, has captured alien beings and craft it researches and technology it attempts to reverse engineer. If these bombshells are not enough, MORE SECRETIVE specifics are available; he stated in summary that he had far more secretive information he could only reveal in private, classified, SCIF like setting to select audience. And was seeking additional whistle blower protections. That testimony, is considered EVIDENCE.

That expressly states, reading between the lines, there are GREATER ADMISSIONS and EVIDENCE available and forthcoming, as opposed to LESSER information/evidence. So to answer the greater implied question about my "access to information in a SCIF," what we already learned is ground breaking EVIDENCE, and there is apparently more (not less) being revealed. That is all rather elementary.

Is Grush, and are the others, confused, lying, fabricating testimony under penalty of purjury, and to what end, what goals would each witness have? I don't follow the skeptics here. This is called evidence, presented by highly credible individuals. Such evidence generally is the basis of all human decision making to include deciding court cases, murder trials, trials where significant issues are resolved. Many are decided on credible sworn witness testimonies.

Instead of throwing out a bunch of chaff and obfuscation why not just say, "No I do not have direct knowledge of the SCIF info?"

I'm sorry if you believe I've thrown out "chaff and obfuscation." I never stated, implied, nor claimed I had any knowledge of SCIF info, and to the contrary I stated "open source" numerous times, so the question to me seem rhetorical or nonsensical considering the context.

In cross examination in court, you wouldn't get away with this tactic.

I'm a highly trained and experienced trial attorney. "cross examination...." "tactic..." Oy Vey....

You never did answer the question from post #144 regarding microchip reverse engineering. From where did we reverse engineer microchip technology?

I didn't realize I was obligated to answer questions here. I've read relatively plausible theories pertaining to radical leaps forward in human technology starting almost immediately after the alleged recovery of a few alien spacecraft in the 1940s, specifically. Possibly others earlier. These theories posit that these, admittedly overnight radical advances in technology, right after Roswell, were stimulated or directly taken from our minor successes at reverse engineering alien tech.

Such, seemingly overnight, advances include lasers, fiber optics, remote controls, use of titanium for aircraft, effective ballistic resistant super strong lightweight materials, night vision, transistors, and yes, the microchip.

Far fetched? Perhaps. I don't know if these are legitimate theories, but it sure is interesting how humans made practically no major advances for thousands of years, and seemingly overnight, in about a 5 year period reflecting a tiny fraction of human existence, we had seemingly magical technologies at hand. I would add to that list to include radar, LEDs, Plasma light, X-rays, splitting atoms, sonar, and a myriad of other seemingly magical technology that just "appeared" in the last 5-8 decades. Gosh we must have a lot of really smart scientists who grew up in the 1900s with horse and buggy and no indoor plumbing, to then invent fthe microchip, lasers, fiber optics, etc. The leap in technology, in just a few decades, does give me some logical pause. How did we get from the morse-code telegram in common use into the 1930s, to 50 years later, orbiting satelites beaming phone signals across the world in nearly instantaneous time delivering clear instant voice call to portable cellular phones containing highly sophisticated microchips? Is all of this really just human ingenuity...?

Or, we can believe in the 1950s, Jack Kirby and Robert Noyce just decided that melting some sand and running some conductive wires through it would somehow transmit or store massive amounts of data.

By analogy, if dogs are suddenly walking upright, reading highly technical science manuals, speaking in clear human dialect, using tools like humans, etc. within a very short span of time, the logical conclusion would be that there was an outside intervention to promote, stimulate, or cause these RADICAL changes....

That's merely my point which may, or may not, depending on your level of skepticism and demand for proof, support the notion that some of these technologies may have lead to or sparked the imagination of folks working on attempts to reverse engineer alien craft or components thereof.

Agree, disagree, I really don't care. Nor do I care to argue these points in this discussion. I'm just answering questions presented to me.

 

[KrisZ]

These theories posit that these, admittedly overnight radical advances in technology, right after Roswell, were stimulated or directly taken from our minor successes at reverse engineering alien tech.

Such, seemingly overnight, advances include lasers, fiber optics, remote controls, use of titanium for aircraft, effective ballistic resistant super strong lightweight materials, night vision, transistors, and yes, the microchip.

These theories seem to pray on people with little technical and historical knowledge. Or you are just cherry picking. Ever heard of logic solving circuits using only relays? Well, the transistor is a natural progression of that. What used to be a wall of relays on a factory floor, has become a microchip.


The Industrial Revolution made much greater leaps in technology and mass production then any advances after WW2.

Then WW1 and WW2 happened and we made huge leaps during that time. Many of the products that showed up after WW2 were most likely a product of that research effort, plus the Cold War efforts.

 

[KrisZ]

What I’m surprised the most is that people still put any credibility to the congressional hearings.
It’s nothing more than a show, a parade of self serving, egotistical politicians that want to appeal to their voter base.

Sure, they can ruin the lives of the people they are “interrogating” and one cannot simply refuse these hearings, which further proves they simply don’t care.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

What I’m surprised the most is that people still put any credibility to the congressional hearings.
It’s nothing more than a show, a parade of self serving, egotistical politicians that want to appeal to their voter base.

Sure, they can ruin the lives of the people they are “interrogating” and one cannot simply refuse these hearings, which further proves they simply don’t care.

Okay. What about the pilot(s)?

 

[KrisZ]

Okay. What about the pilot(s)?

They haven’t said anything new that was said before the hearings. I believe what they saw, just not the conclusion that’s it’s extraterrestrial. They themselves seem to be split on that as well.

 

[alarmguy]

What I’m surprised the most is that people still put any credibility to the congressional hearings.
It’s nothing more than a show, a parade of self serving, egotistical politicians that want to appeal to their voter base.

So you use your bias that is against our congress to dismiss the eyewitnesses account of one of the witnesses who testified?
Then also ignore others testifying under oath?
That would be like a jury ignoring witnesses because they didn’t like the investigators or prosecutors.

 

[KrisZ]

So you use your bias that is against our congress to dismiss the eyewitnesses of those who testified?
That would be like a jury ignoring witnesses because they didn’t like the investigators

I mentioned it several times in this thread that I do believe these pilots.
I stated that I believe @leadcounsel that he saw something extraordinary.

 

[alarmguy]

I mentioned it several times in this thread that I do believe these pilots.

So why discredit their testimony under oath by calling it a political show or parade?
Have you ever seen this type of testimony regarding UFOs under oath?
Do you not think it’s important to have this as an official record to get the ball rolling and hopefully help lift the wall of secrecy (stone walling) requests for information by our intelligence services?