Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[alarmguy]

But why would “aliens” think/behave like us? Also, just how much “studying” do they need? If you believe the Sumerian texts, they have been at it for thousands of years.
And if their tech is so advanced, then their surveys would be expected to be short, no?

These are questions that a lower life form might ask of a superior intelligence thinking that superior intelligence "think/behave" like us. Meaning the questions humans make ask might be so stupid elementary that the questions themselves are meaningless.
Surveys? maybe they have lived here longer than we have. We might be the ants crawling all over a patio to them, granted they must think we are smart ants.
See what I am saying you're asking the same questions in your reply to someone expecting answers about a being that we assume would "think behave" like us. But they may not, most likely do not so they are questions you would never have an answer too.

(btw *LOL* im not calling your a lower life form, Im talking the human race)
Dont bother replying, I know my post is not making much sense.

 

[KrisZ]

These are questions that a lower life form might ask of a superior intelligence thinking that superior intelligence "think/behave" like us. Meaning the questions humans make ask might be so stupid elementary that the questions themselves are meaningless.
Surveys? maybe they have lived here longer than we have. We might be the ants crawling all over a patio to them, granted they must think we are smart ants.
See what I am saying you're asking the same questions in your reply to someone expecting answers about a being that we assume would "think behave" like us. But they may not, most likely do not so they are questions you would never have an answer too.

(btw *LOL* im not calling your a lower life form, Im talking the human race)
Dont bother replying, I know my post is not making much sense.

I’m simply trying to point out that using an argument that we study other life forms so therefore that could be the reason aliens are here, is flawed because it assumes they think like us.

And it’s especially flawed if we are to assume your point of view (which I don’t agree with) that we are like ants to them.

The need for resources is the only common denominator that bounds all beings IMO. So if they are here, they came for resources.

 

[MolaKule]

In complete open-minded fairness, merely 100 years ago sand was just sand, used in glass blowing and little more, and gold was a store of wealth and used in art. Today, gold and sand (silica) are used in super computing unimaginable just a century ago. About 150 years ago, petroleum was a nuisance and whale blubber was used to heat oil lamps. Yet today, the modern world runs on petroleum for lubrication, fuel, plastics, fertilizer, concrete, etc. My, what a little tech, time, and perspective does, huh?

Okay, but we only have this "I interviewed Lazar and Lazar said so and so..." I.e., I don't believe the Lazar story has any factual standing.

In the vast multi-billion year old universe(s), Is it really so difficult to believe the infinite universe(s) might have life that got a head start (even 1000 years) on humans and have developed technology beyond OUR imagination? I think it's fully in the real of highly likely. Humans just 100 years ago would find our modern world unbelievable with communications, travel, computing, science, medicine, etc. Imagine a civilization that has a 100, 1000, or 10000 year head start on humans....

Historical Science cannot scientifically determine the age of the universe. There are no past documentaries or DVDs that shows the unfolding or establishment of the Universe. We can speculate, we can formulate General Relativity metrics, we can run simulations, and we can conjecture, but that is it.

Element 115? Can you accept it might be - and likely is - beyond our CURRENT ability to understand its use in super tech (much like gold and sand, or petroleum, examples above)?

No, I think we have a good grasp of Nuclear Physics.

We need not speculate, really.

Actually, wild speculation is all that is really going on until we see some definitive proof and a thorough scientific analysis of all of these occurrences. whether they be observational or instrumental.

So far No one seems to have Considered this: If this technology is so far advanced beyond of what we currently know, how can we possibly reverse engineer or copy it? If I want to reverse engineer a lubricant, I have to have the proper instrumentation and the necessary (prior) knowledge to interpret all of the instrument's results.

Is Grusch the only one who has innate knowledge of UAP's? If congress or others really want to have a full disclosure of this phenomenon then a scientific panel of top scientists needs to be formed to investigate and disclose to the public to determine if these phenomenon present a commercial airline traffic safety risk or a national security risk.

If we really do want a scientific panel established to investigate this phenomenon then contact your government reps and insist that a panel be established. I know I have already.

 

[leadcounsel]

No, I think we have a good grasp of Nuclear Physics.

A field of study that is what, less than 100 years old? We barely just discovered the atom in the timeline of mankind. A topic we didn't really start getting deep into maybe 5+ decades ago... I'd say we have an infant's understanding of Nuclear Physics. IOW, we have not even scratched the surface of nuclear physics understanding. If you believe otherwise, you're saying that humans have nothing left to learn on the topic? We've come to or nearing the end of the road of our understandings and applications? I think that would be a far fetched belief system. It then logically stands to reason that intelligent life with, say, a 100 or 1000 or 10000 year head start would know a lot more than we do on the topic and application, would you not agree?

So far No one seems to have Considered this: If this technology is so far advanced beyond of what we currently know, how can we possibly reverse engineer or copy it? If I want to reverse engineer a lubricant, I have to have the proper instrumentation and necessary knowledge to interpret all of the instrument's results.

Many people have, indeed, fully considered it and discussed it. Many individuals have spoken on record about the tremendous difficulties attempting to reverse engineer and study these craft, and the "dead ends" in trying to do so. IOW the inability to power them, fly them, etc. Others have spoken to, correctly or incorrectly, the fact many of our modern advances which have occurred so rapidly, having come from incremental reverse engineering strides (monofiliments, fiber optics, microchips, and so forth). Humans have gone from horse and buggy to Mars landings in 1 century, with the bulk of our advances being in the last few decades.... That is a REMARKABLE transition for a species. It would be akin to primate apes developing human technology such as written language, basic flight, and the combustion engines on sua sponte in the next decade. An observer would expect and "outside influence" to prompt such advances.

Going back further, I subscribe to the idea that alien species have influenced human kind for centuries as attributed by the great pyramids that exist on 3 continents by 3 different civilizations (Incas, Mayans, and Egyptians) without explanation of how they were built. Amazing coincidence, requiring a bewildering amount of manpower labor, with no good explanation as to how they were built with such precision. Other examples too numerous for this thread exist.

I believe fully, supported by massive evidence that mounts by the day, that it is the skeptics who are going to be eating their hats and proven wrong ultimately. I do not see nor understand how a skeptic can maintain such a limited view of this topic.

 

[MolaKule]

A field of study that is what, less than 100 years old? We barely just discovered the atom in the timeline of mankind. A topic we didn't really start getting deep into maybe 5+ decades ago... I'd say we have an infant's understanding of Nuclear Physics. IOW, we have not even scratched the surface of nuclear physics understanding. If you believe otherwise, you're saying that humans have nothing left to learn on the topic?

No, this is an incorrect assumption on your part. Science is all about the continuance of learning and making new discoveries.

We've come to or nearing the end of the road of our understandings and applications? I think that would be a far fetched belief system. It then logically stands to reason that intelligent life with, say, a 100 or 1000 or 10000 year head start would know a lot more than we do on the topic and application, would you not agree?

What evidence do you have that there are other civilizations far advanced of ours? You are speculating and while it is fun, it is not proof.

Many people have, indeed, fully considered it and discussed it. Many individuals have spoken on record about the tremendous difficulties attempting to reverse engineer and study these craft, and the "dead ends" in trying to do so. IOW the inability to power them, fly them, etc. Others have spoken to, correctly or incorrectly, the fact many of our modern advances which have occurred so rapidly, having come from incremental reverse engineering strides (monofiliments, fiber optics, microchips, and so forth).

You just proved my previous statement: If this technology is so far advanced beyond of what we currently know, how can we possibly reverse engineer or copy it? But recent reverse engineering has been derived from known physical entities such as spiders, etc., or from say analyzing bioesters and synthesizing them, for example as in synthesizing Whale Blubber. You lost me on microchips.

Humans have gone from horse and buggy to Mars landings in 1 century, with the bulk of our advances being in the last few decades.... That is a REMARKABLE transition for a species. It would be akin to primate apes developing human technology such as written language, basic flight, and the combustion engines on sua sponte in the next decade. An observer would expect and "outside influence" to prompt such advances.

So says Alien Astronauts, a comedy show full of unscientific conjectures and no proof.

Going back further, I subscribe to the idea that alien species have influenced human kind for centuries as attributed by the great pyramids that exist on 3 continents by 3 different civilizations (Incas, Mayans, and Egyptians) without explanation of how they were built. Amazing coincidence, requiring a bewildering amount of manpower labor, with no good explanation as to how they were built with such precision. Other examples too numerous for this thread exist.

Again,
So says Alien Astronauts, a comedy show full of unscientific conjectures and no proof.

I believe fully, supported by massive evidence that mounts by the day, that it is the skeptics who are going to be eating their hats and proven wrong ultimately. I do not see nor understand how a skeptic can maintain such a limited view of this topic.

But let's go back to science. Science is all about being skeptical and questioning a hypothesis until laboratory or observational data can verify that hypothesis.

It is very healthy to have a skeptical attitude in science. Without skepticism and questioning, there would be no scientific advancement.

 

[leadcounsel]

Okay, but we only have this "I interviewed Lazar and Lazar said so and so..." I.e., I don't believe the Lazar story has any factual standing.

So, what is your view of Lazar? Do you think, without any profit motives in mind, in the 1980s he fabricated this entire story? To what end? He never (until recently) received any significant fame or income from this apparent scheme dating back 4 decades ago. Heck of a long-game play for Lazar in that case...

Lazar has given extraordinary details about A51 and S4, with many of his then-new information that only an insider would know, proving later to be correct. He has proven through W2 forms admitted into court records, that he was in fact employed by Navy Intelligence, which the Navy apparently has denied. He has proven he worked there based on his name being in the internal phone book and other details...

So is Lazar lying, and to what end? There was no obvious motives for him to do so. And how did he get so much insider information?

Or is the .gov lying? Has the .gov lied about other important stuff? Coverups? Remember when the government told us they recovered a flying saucer at Roswell, only to backtrack it the next day and state it was a "weather balloon with test dummies." That's a heck of a mis-identification and major secrecy for a weather balloon. Dozen(s) of witnesses have over the years said it was not a weather balloon or test dummies.

I think that answer, as to credibility, is becoming more apparent every day with the ongoing hearings and more, and more, and more evidence, videos, photos, and whistle blowers coming forward.

 

[MolaKule]

So, what is your view of Lazar?...

I have already expressed my views on Lazar so I see no need to revisit the Lazar story.

What's this microchip reverse engineering that you speak of?

Elephant Hurling accomplishes nothing.

 

[leadcounsel]

No, this is an incorrect assumption on your part. Science is all about the continuance of learning and making new discoveries.

That's not my assumption, I'm extrapolating on what you stated about our level of knowledge on nuclear physics. I believe we have an infant's understanding on the grand scheme with mountains more to learn. IOW in 1000 years humans (if we exist) will have exponentially more understanding than humans today. So I'm reading that we are largely in agreement that we know essentially nothing about nuclear physics.

I extrapolate that in the vastness of the universe(s) the Drake equation suggests other species exist and are probably far more advanced than us. Given our relative infancy as human species, it stands to reason all other intelligent life would be far more ancient than humans, perhaps thousands, millions, or billions of years more advanced. Do you doubt the Drake equation?

What evidence do you have that there are other civilizations far advanced of ours? You are speculating and while it is fun, it is not proof.

What would you accept as "proof?" Apparently mountains of eye witnesses - many under oath before Congress now facing penalties of perjury but also others dating back a century, photos, also dating back a century, videos, physical items with non-earth origin, manufactured objects of non-human origin, (folks who often gained nothing but ridicule) are insufficient proof?

Also factor, there are world governments who are very powerful and actively preventing proof from being accessed under armed guards and threats of prosecution, etc. Pretty difficult to get to the "proof" some require when up against such obstacles. Would you not agree?

But let's go back to science. Science is all about being skeptical and questioning a hypothesis until laboratory or observational data verify that hypothesis.

It is very healthy to have a skeptical attitude in science. Without skepticism and questioning, there would be no scientific advancement.

Yet, it seems the skepticism is directed only in 1 direction as a sword to attack witnesses and evidence, and a shield to defend when convenient.

This is not so much science when a large part of the equation is blocked or tainted by a massive ultra powerful entity that prohibits or prevents the very testing you seem to demand. What we are left with is mountains of credible witnesses going back nearly a century, many accompanied by photos, videos, and even non-earthly or non-human physical or other evidence (such as the doctor who has removed embedded objects that emit radio signals, or trace evidence of extra-terrestrial medical procedures, or deep space radio signals, and so forth).

Skeptics seem to demand a personal visitation with aliens, photos with them, etc. But consider many things known to man today, are only known due to significant advances in other areas of understanding of the natural world or advances in science, such as the electron microscope, abilities to see DNA, massive telescopes to look deep into space, etc.

Right now it seems the major obstacles to our advances are being systematically taken down thru whistleblowers and heightened interests by the right parties.

I have already expressed my views on Lazar so I see no need to revisit the Lazar story.

I apparently only saw the cynical attacks on Lazar, but missed the explanation of how he has proof of his employment there (denied by the military), how he knew in the 1980s about Element 115 (over a decade before it became commonly known), how he was aware of S4 (before it was commonly known), how he could describe in detail the workplace, travel to/from, how he knew to take friends to watch testing from the mountains over Area 51 (witnesses have supported this FYI), how his name was in the employee phonebook if he never worked there, how he knew about the machine used for handprint analysis to access special areas, and so forth. I apparently didn't see your assessment of this information...

 

[leadcounsel]

Reports are many Congress officials who were briefed in the SCIF classified settings were intrigued and/or disturbed by the information they learned in those classified settings. On top of the open testimonies of UAP evidence, all very compelling that the US has aliens and spacecraft. I'm very curious about these new revelations and future information. I believe we are on the cusp of getting undeniable proof even the harden skeptics will be forced to accept.

Unless, one continues to hold onto the belief that all these people are now lying under oath to Congress, which is a federal offense...

 

[alarmguy]

I’m simply trying to point out that using an argument that we study other life forms so therefore that could be the reason aliens are here, is flawed because it assumes they think like us.

And it’s especially flawed if we are to assume your point of view (which I don’t agree with) that we are like ants to them.

The need for resources is the only common denominator that bounds all beings IMO. So if they are here, they came for resources.

Really?
I guess if you don’t believe in much of this, but for those that do, to think nobody is more technologically advanced than us than we have become over the last 50 years out of billions I think might be a stretch to deny.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

You just proved my previous statement: If this technology is so far advanced beyond of what we currently know, how can we possibly reverse engineer or copy it? But recent reverse engineering has been derived from known physical entities such as spiders, etc., or from say analyzing bioesters and synthesizing them, for example as in synthesizing Whale Blubber. You lost me on microchips.

There's the rub. We can't necessarily copy it if we haven't developed the technology to build it let alone the same materials. Imagine dropping a modern car onto the doorstep of Henry Ford in 1910 and ask him to copy it using 1910 era manufacturing techniques.

How long do you think it would take him to do it? Remember we're just talking a car not a spacecraft.

 

[hemioiler]

I'm extremely skeptical, and everybody in this thread should be too. These are claims of the wildest kind, and so they require much more evidence than just "trust me bro", doesn't matter how much credibility the person talking has.

But beyond that my mind can be changed, one question I have is how do these guys classifiy remains as "non human" or "not from earth"? How are they coming to that decision?

 

[MolaKule]

That's not my assumption, I'm extrapolating on what you stated about our level of knowledge on nuclear physics. I believe we have an infant's understanding on the grand scheme with mountains more to learn. IOW in 1000 years humans (if we exist) will have exponentially more understanding than humans today. So I'm reading that we are largely in agreement that we know essentially nothing about nuclear physics.

I extrapolate that in the vastness of the universe(s) the Drake equation suggests other species exist and are probably far more advanced than us. Given our relative infancy as human species, it stands to reason all other intelligent life would be far more ancient than humans, perhaps thousands, millions, or billions of years more advanced. Do you doubt the Drake equation?


What would you accept as "proof?" Apparently mountains of eye witnesses - many under oath before Congress now facing penalties of perjury but also others dating back a century, photos, also dating back a century, videos, physical items with non-earth origin, manufactured objects of non-human origin, (folks who often gained nothing but ridicule) are insufficient proof?

Also factor, there are world governments who are very powerful and actively preventing proof from being accessed under armed guards and threats of prosecution, etc. Pretty difficult to get to the "proof" some require when up against such obstacles. Would you not agree?



Yet, it seems the skepticism is directed only in 1 direction as a sword to attack witnesses and evidence, and a shield to defend when convenient.

This is not so much science when a large part of the equation is blocked or tainted by a massive ultra powerful entity that prohibits or prevents the very testing you seem to demand. What we are left with is mountains of credible witnesses going back nearly a century, many accompanied by photos, videos, and even non-earthly or non-human physical or other evidence (such as the doctor who has removed embedded objects that emit radio signals, or trace evidence of extra-terrestrial medical procedures, or deep space radio signals, and so forth).

Skeptics seem to demand a personal visitation with aliens, photos with them, etc. But consider many things known to man today, are only known due to significant advances in other areas of understanding of the natural world or advances in science, such as the electron microscope, abilities to see DNA, massive telescopes to look deep into space, etc.

Right now it seems the major obstacles to our advances are being systematically taken down thru whistleblowers and heightened interests by the right parties.


I apparently only saw the cynical attacks on Lazar, but missed the explanation of how he has proof of his employment there (denied by the military), how he knew in the 1980s about Element 115 (over a decade before it became commonly known), how he was aware of S4 (before it was commonly known), how he could describe in detail the workplace, travel to/from, how he knew to take friends to watch testing from the mountains over Area 51 (witnesses have supported this FYI), how his name was in the employee phonebook if he never worked there, how he knew about the machine used for handprint analysis to access special areas, and so forth. I apparently didn't see your assessment of this information...

1) Your extrapolations are incorrect and go beyond reason and logic.

2) Your whole thesis seems to hinge on conspiracy theories. I reject conspiracy theories because they muddy the waters of science and reason.

3) I do doubt the Drake equation. You may have forgotten that in science equations are descriptive, not causative.

4) The laws of Physics and Chemistry are purely descriptive and don't cause anything. The same with the Drake equation. It is a purely theoretical equation in which Drake thought he should write down an equation which describes the probability of the universe having other inhabitants according to certain factors.

But the Drake equation DOESN'T cause the universe to be populated.

None of your arguments really hold any water in the scientific community and I reject them as well; how's that for extrapolation?

What's this microchip reverse engineering that you speak of?

 

[simple_gifts]

The real mystery is if the aliens dumped their factory fill early.

 

[MolaKule]

Some information on the Drake equation which has surfaced a number of times in these types of discussions:

"The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to estimate the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way Galaxy.

The equation was formulated in 1961 by Frank Drake, not for purposes of quantifying the number of civilizations, but as a way to stimulate scientific dialogue at the first scientific meeting on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI).[4][5] The equation summarizes the main concepts which scientists must contemplate when considering the question of other radio-communicative life.[4] It is more properly thought of as an approximation than as a serious attempt to determine a precise number.

Criticism related to the Drake equation focuses not on the equation itself, but on the fact that the estimated values for several of its factors are highly conjectural, the combined multiplicative effect being that the uncertainty associated with any derived value is so large that the equation cannot be used to draw firm conclusions."

Please note that IF any one of the Factors is zero or indeterminate N goes to zero (N->0).

"The Drake equation is:[1]

where

N = the number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on the current past light cone);
and

Rs = the average rate of star formation in our Galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Please also note that SETI has produced zilch since its inception.

 

[KrisZ]

Really?
I guess if you don’t believe in much of this, but for those that do, to think nobody is more technologically advanced than us than we have become over the last 50 years out of billions I think might be a stretch to deny.

There is absolutely no proof there are any other beings in the universe except us, there is no proof there are any other planets with life on them. So yes it’s quite safe to say we are the most advanced beings in the universe for the time being.

In fact, we have little proof that our current civilization is the most advanced it’s ever been. We cannot reverse engineer many ancient buildings and building techniques. We don’t know what tools they used etc.
So how could we ever reverse engineer alien technology, even if we had access to it? Aren’t we like ants to them?
Your comparison not mine. But then you guys turn around and claim many modern tech comes from reverse engineering alien tech? It makes no logical sense.

 

[MolaKule]

Reports are many Congress officials who were briefed in the SCIF classified settings were intrigued and/or disturbed by the information they learned in those classified settings.

And what were those revelations and how were you privy to those revelations?

On top of the open testimonies of UAP evidence, all very compelling that the US has aliens and spacecraft. I'm very curious about these new revelations and future information.

What direct knowledge or evidence do you have of this? I still have a TS clearance and I have yet to see it. Where do I go to obtain this information?

I believe we are on the cusp of getting undeniable proof even the harden skeptics will be forced to accept.

People with scientific backgrounds are eagerly waiting to see those disclosures.

Unless, one continues to hold onto the belief that all these people are now lying under oath to Congress, which is a federal offense...

i don't know who is insinuating that those who were under oath are liars; again, you're projecting.

I think all who testified are clearly stating what they believe they saw, what they knew, what they experienced, and to the best of their abilities expressed those beliefs and experiences.

 

[buster]

"Aliens may be different in a way we can't even conceptualize. They may "live" in a reality that is totally different than ours, or explore the world in different dimensions than we do. The idea of alien civilization is so abstract that every possibility makes no sense or may be genius."

 

[leadcounsel]

And what were those revelations and how were you privy to those revelations?

The open source information is available for all to see. I believe the OP linked to the hearing. Please watch it.

What direct knowledge or evidence do you have of this? I still have a TS clearance and I have yet to see it. Where do I go to obtain this information?

I'll repeat, the open source information is widely available. As have been witness statements for decades. As have been photos and videos. Having a TS clearance is irrelevant as you would know this information would be highly compartimentalized well above TS and only on a need to know read in basis.

i don't know who is insinuating that those who were under oath are liars; again, you're projecting.

I work in logic and reason.

Science tells us that at times we use a process of elimination to make rational conclusions, does it not? We can rule out what these observed objects are not. They are not known animals. They are not known weather events. They are not known human space craft given they have been observed since before humans could fly or in our flight infancy, and they perform many generations beyond our best flying capabilities for humans or crafts using unknown propulsion, lift, aerodynamics, hydrodynamics, cloaking tools, etc. So what are they? We've ruled out humans and animals and weather. That leaves us with only a few options. Aliens, spiritual, time travel, dimensional travel....

If a witness under oath states, "I saw XYZ," and the skeptic retains the position that XYZ does not exist, there are finite scenarios. And, the skeptic's offering of a baseless opinion is outweighed by the presence of evidence, IOW the absence of evidence loses to the presence of evidence.

1. The witness is confused. A subset is that they believe what they are testifying but are mistaken. I would retort that the witnesses we are hearing from under oath, have relevant expert credentials and are not likely confused by human versus extra-terrestrial objects/beings. In addition to the current witnesses, I've seen interviews with expert/career/professional pilots, law enforcement, radar operators, etc. who detail objects that are beyond known human capabilities going back decades ago.

(Furthermore, even for those not under oath, who state what they saw. While not under oath, hard to get a entire city, including the then-Governor, to fabricate seeing the Phoenix lights and describing it as a UFO triangle, for instance).

2. The witnesses are lying. This seems extremely unlikely given the current caliber of individuals placed under oath, who would take serious career and criminal risks for lying.

(Subset here is what do people, like myself, have to gain by telling others what we saw? I've never profited a nickel yet the ridicule and frustration is often not worth the conversation. I be better off just laughing at the deniers when proven right.)

3. The witnesses are telling the truth.

Is there a plausible or reasonable 4th+ option?

If the best a skeptic can do is fold his arms and deny they exist, without offering any plausible alternate explanation, the skeptic IMO has unconvincingly failed to add anything to the dialogue by just stating an OPINION they don't exist. On the scales of evidence, that skeptic has provided literally nothing against the mountain of evidence to the contrary.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

I'm extremely skeptical, and everybody in this thread should be too. These are claims of the wildest kind, and so they require much more evidence than just "trust me bro", doesn't matter how much credibility the person talking has.

If you’re still skeptical that there’s some kind of real phenomena happening, then I suggest you review the evidence. There’s very little doubt at this point about that.

But beyond that my mind can be changed, one question I have is how do these guys classifiy remains as "non human" or "not from earth"? How are they coming to that decision?

There is testimonial and alleged classified evidence of “nonhuman.” It is not yet publicly substantiated, however the testimony seems credible and congress is taking the claims seriously.

There’s also no substantiated public evidence of “not from earth” yet. That is speculation and fodder for the asinine arguments lately in this thread.