Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

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As someone posted much earlier.... "Soft Disclosure". That's what I believe is happening and HAS been happening now for quite some time.

Everything associated with this disclosure must be examined through a critical lens and there is a cornucopia of disinformation out there. Who has time for that??

I have personally seen things that defy logic and I cannot relate these sightings to even close friends. It's human nature to be skeptical. What I do know it that once a person experiences something such as this topic, it changes the way you look at things. It's much too easy to discount and not address the phenomenon.

Weeding through all the BS.... That's well... brain damage. At this point, I'm happy about the whistleblowers and congressional reviews... But.... It feels like most people have bigger "fish" to fry when dealing with everyday life.
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07...explain-why-well-never-contact-aliens/8731806
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leadcounsel said:
How should I "take" being told I don't know what I saw and I confused a hovering, nearly invisible, massive triangle with a zeppelin weather balloon? BTW nobody in my area at that time would have had big balloons like that nor flying them at midnight.

This is the frustration eye-witnesses like myself experience. The peanut gallery telling us we saw something other than what we saw. In simple parlance, telling us we're delusional, crazy, or liars. How do you react when BASELESSLY accused of such things?

The issue with the skeptics is they refuse to believe unless THEY PERSONALLY see it. Until then, everyone else has an agenda, all photos/videos are false, etc.
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I never told you what you saw, I merely have given an example since you asked for one. But since it was at night, you yourself cannot tell us with 100% certainty what you saw. Triangles and lights don't make a spaceship.
 
leadcounsel said:
How should I "take" being told I don't know what I saw and I confused a hovering, nearly invisible, massive triangle with a zeppelin weather balloon? BTW nobody in my area at that time would have had big balloons like that nor flying them at midnight.

This is the frustration eye-witnesses like myself experience. The peanut gallery telling us we saw something other than what we saw. In simple parlance, telling us we're delusional, crazy, or liars. How do you react when BASELESSLY accused of such things?

The issue with the skeptics is they refuse to believe unless THEY PERSONALLY see it. Until then, everyone else has an agenda, all photos/videos are false, etc.
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All I know is how I would I take someone on BITOG saying the same thing. Listen, BITOG is an interesting mix ranging from absolutely clueless human beings to some really smart people, some people I find interesting to some people where I can’t stand to read a single comment they post, and everything in between. A real slice of Americana that I dip my toes into to get out of my bubble of real friends who tend to be like-minded and to hear other views when I’m bored to help me develop my own ideas and opinions. I will fully admit I probably get more out of BITOG than it gets out me. I’m sure many can’t stand me and I’m fine with that because I don’t really care what anyone on here thinks of me. I don’t know any of you. If I’m busting someone’s balls it’s nothing personal and I don’t take it personally when some breaks my balls. I may at times get heated in the middle of debate but I don’t let BITOG ruin my day. So no, I wouldn’t take anything anyone says here personally. Don’t believe me? Ok. Don’t agree with my ideology? Cool. Think I’m a jackass? You’re not the first and you won’t be the last. No one here owes me anything other some basic civility which everyone has graciously extended to me and I try to do the same.

#makingfriends
 
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buster said:
Not a fan of Mick West.
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Mick gets very selective about what he brings forward and what he doesn't.

14:00 -AARO arent seeing the UFO's -
Actually they have hundreds of cases and there has been an explosion of them since the first AARO report.
AARO choose what they wish to report. Last report they reported two events, one still open, one solved.

Mick -- "It's just balloons" - let's look at what the report says.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-red/s3fs-public/atoms/files/Sean Kirkpatrick - 1100am to 1130am.pdf

Note: "typical performance" of said balloons is stationary -mach2.

Cant recall if it was Graves or Fravor that claimed it was stationary in category 4 hurricane level wind?

With Mick you never get the full story - only what he wishes to front.
 
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leadcounsel said:
And this thread is tainted now with the ridicule folks who come forward with their experiences suffer.

All witnesses are lying or ignorant to their own eyeball observations, even the most sophisticated and credible of witnesses like Navy fighter pilots. All videos, photos, etc. are illusions. But the government which has been caught in endless lies and coverups, claiming nonsense explanations in the case of UFOs, is credible. LOL. Some world that skeptics exist in.

Those who cannot debate the facts, go on to attack the credibility or character of witnesses. It's a timeless story. Lazar has thoroughly explained how his identity was attacked by the government agencies, he was harassed, threatened, erased, etc. Yet he had very intimate insider knowledge of Area S4, other exceptionally detailed information like the hand screening device, element 115, etc. that a commoner would not have known, way back in the 1980s. He has provided sufficient proof of his employment there to include a internal phonebook listing him and other details I've forgotten. He's a very compelling individual in spite of Wikipedia entries and character attacks against him.
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Not me, I've had experiences myself but think they probably can be explained but unsure of what exactly I saw. I do believe there is something going on, but there are a lot of snake oil purveyors trying to hock books and whatnot.

As far as interesting guys with integrity but perhaps some flaws, I've always found Stanton Friedman compelling. Also look into Gary Mckinnon who hacked into Pentagon computers (easily) and found terms like "Non-Terrestrial Officers" and the like.
 
All of this is v. interesting to me. The Navy videos are 100% proof something is flying around we don't understand. Clearly physics beyond our common understanding is at play with these UAPs. Now we have all this whistle-blower testimony indicating non-human. Sure...could all be real but until we get the full-bore physical evidence it's still just speculation. I've never understood the issue here with "societal breakdown" thing. Why would this change my day? I suppose for someone who has a devout faith that doesn't include other life out there...ok? They'll get over being wrong.
 
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Gold has 37 different isotopes, only one of them is stable. E115 doesn't naturally occur here, the 100 atoms of it are all man made, nothing to say there isn't a stable isotope we haven't yet found.
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The question remains: What connection does fast decaying elements have to do with propulsion systems?

In designing nuclear propulsion systems, the physics say you need an isotope with a half-life of at least 50 years. 20 millisecond half life isotopes won't cut it.

And no, Lazar didn't use it or predict it.
 
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PWMDMD said:
I will fully admit I probably get more out of BITOG than it gets out me. I’m sure many can’t stand me and I’m fine with that because I don’t really care what anyone on here thinks of me.
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Just the opposite, I find your comments insightful and authoritative.
 
I just hope this thread stays open. It is such an important topic, and there is so much more to it than thought.
Every thing posted here is interesting and helps ward off Alzheimer's by keeping the gray matter going.
 
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The question remains: What connection does fast decaying elements have to do with propulsion systems?

In designing nuclear propulsion systems, the physics say you need an isotope with a half-life of at least 50 years. 20 millisecond half life isotopes won't cut it.

And no, Lazar didn't use it or predict it.
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In complete open-minded fairness, merely 100 years ago sand was just sand, used in glass blowing and little more, and gold was a store of wealth and used in art. Today, gold and sand (silica) are used in super computing unimaginable just a century ago. About 150 years ago, petroleum was a nuisance and whale blubber was used to heat oil lamps. Yet today, the modern world runs on petroleum for lubrication, fuel, plastics, fertilizer, concrete, etc. My, what a little tech, time, and perspective does, huh?

In the vast multi-billion year old universe(s), Is it really so difficult to believe the infinite universe(s) might have life that got a head start (even 1000 years) on humans and have developed technology beyond OUR imagination? I think it's fully in the real of highly likely. Humans just 100 years ago would find our modern world unbelievable with communications, travel, computing, science, medicine, etc. Imagine a civilization that has a 100, 1000, or 10000 year head start on humans....

Element 115? Can you accept it might be - and likely is - beyond our CURRENT ability to understand its use in super tech (much like gold and sand, or petroleum, examples above)? We need not speculate, really. Lazar also said he replaced the guy who died in his job, unsuccessfully attempting to power up a vehicle. In fact he stated, with clarity, these science teams were really struggling to figure out how to use Element 115, how to power up and fly these captured machines. Again this was 4 decades ago, and VERY consistent to what is now leaking thru Congress. All of these recent leaks and hearings fully supports what Lazar was saying 4 decades ago. Or I guess to some Lazar made all this stuff up for no profit for decades... good grief. Any critical review would conclude he has the receipts to back up his statements and he did all that with no profit motive.

As to element 115, Bob Lazar was openly speaking of this in the 1980s. That's 4 decades ago. Yet element 115 wasn't successfully synthesized until 2003, about 15 or so years after Lazar spoke of it. Believing Lazar was a nobody, is simply silliness. How would Lazar have known of element 115, if he was never employed at S4 or even if he was but as a lowly janitor?

In other words, is there a SINGLE forum member who has spoken of an unknown element 15 years before it was put on the periodic tables? Have you? Has anyone here? Was he really "just a janitor?" Or a nobody, not employed there? I think before condemning the man, smearing him, perhaps we can learn something.
 
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In the NewsNation interview, Leslie Kean mentioned that retired Army Colonel Karl E. Nell was one of the many sources that Mr.Grusch was talking to.

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Reporter> David Grusch said in his testimony that he talked to 40 people over 4 years, all of whom had information on a secret military program that has non-human craft and remains. Is it surprising to you that none of those 40 people has spoken out?

Leslie Keane> It is. It actually is a little bit. I some of them have.. one of them actually was in our article in the debrief a former army Colonel Karl Nell.

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"Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.""

“His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence,” said Karl Nell, the retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force.
 
TiGeo said:
To think that we know it all w/r to physics and the universe is quite shocking for a species that has had tech for such a short period of time.
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You are correct, it's almost perverted in this sense to think otherwise, read your last couple posts, well said. I couldn't not agree more strongly as to why we think we are so advanced. I think we are primitive compared to the universe but I can see how others living in our world think they are supreme above all else because in our little fish tank earth we command and control the other lifeforms, but how can that be in our universe that is over billions and billions of years old, heck we dont even know what is out in space past our solar system. Modern man (if you can call it that) only been around 100+ years on earth.
 
I laugh when I see big mouth science populists like Neil D Tyson say things like "why would aliens come here?" Gee I don't know, why do we put every species on this planet under a microscope to study? Why do we send probes to Mars?

How much can you really research if you're constantly flying and in wardrobe for a media plug? Lost all respect for him after I saw him on Joe Rogan. He overtalks and constantly interrupts people. His ego is waaay too big.
 
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buster said:
I laugh when I see big mouth science populists like Neil D Tyson say things like "why would aliens come here?" Gee I don't know, why do we put every species on this planet under a microscope to study? Why do we send probes to Mars?

How much can you really research if you're constantly flying and in wardrobe for a media plug? Lost all respect for him after I saw him on Joe Rogan. He overtalks and constantly interrupts people. His ego is waaay too big.
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But why would “aliens” think/behave like us? Also, just how much “studying” do they need? If you believe the Sumerian texts, they have been at it for thousands of years.
And if their tech is so advanced, then their surveys would be expected to be short, no?
 
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