Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[BMWTurboDzl]

Where did NASA say any of this?

From your post,

"Joshua Semeter of NASA's UAP independent study team and professor of electrical and computer engineering with Boston University's College of Engineering concludes that "without data or material evidence, we are at an impasse on evaluating these claims" and that, "in the long history of claims of extraterrestrial visitors, it is this level of specificity that always seems to be missing".[24][25]"

Historically speaking it's not NASA who conducted interviews on sightings. Of the stories I've read none of the subjects reported that they were interviewed by NASA employees. It was always some unknown governmental agency.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

So far, Element 115 or moscovium doesn't have a practical use outside of scientific study.

It decays in 20/1000 of a second.

He Lazar said that he'd personally worked with element 115, which was used to pilot alien spacecraft.

It is "impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth. ... The substance has to come from a place where superheavy elements could have been produced naturally," Lazar said.

It has been synthesized here on earth.

Lazar said that he'd seen evidence of anti-gravity propulsion technologies, and nine alien spacecraft stored in a hangar at Area 51. Those spaceships ostensibly used some sort of propulsion system that harnessed the inherent power of gravity, and thus utilized the characteristics of element 115 to work their technological wizardry.

What connection does fast decaying elements have to do with propulsion? systems?

Didn't he make that claim decades ago? At the time it wasn't possible correct?

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

If you watch the actual YouTube testimony you will find out what you are mistakenly responding to as "these phenomena" are people associated with our government and or contractors.
Everyone commenting would help if they watched the entire testimony.

I did watch the entire testimony and yet have no idea what your hangup is with what I said (which was tongue-in-cheek, btw). The testifiers have nearly said as much, that the capabilities are far beyond any known human technology.

 

[alarmguy]

Miraculous evidence for aerial phenomena.

Zero evidence of extraterrestrial origin.

The testimony so far has been conjecture on the nature and origin of these phenomena.

I would agree and would that not be a reasonable assumption for something tracked, photographed and seen not behaving in any manner that knowledge of current technology can explain?
Example, testimony of one who has seen it saying a human body would not endure the maneuvers the craft were seen doing.
Statement of standstill to accelerate to Mach 1 or 2 at the snap of a finger up to and past the jet fighters.

It's easy to say no evidence until there is. There was no evidence at one time that the world was round. The truthful "conjecture" as you say (not me) hopefully will open the door to demands by our elected officials to release the information they seek as they have been verifiable stonewalled as the committee has disclosed..

Im not so sure your statement that the word extraterrestrial was used. Maybe the words unworldly as we know it was used in a question. The fact is UFOs are real, now hopefully one day we will have an explanation. There is no denying it, it's just a matter of what.
This committee was about national security and what are these flying objects and why the stonewalling and threats to people.
Would not anyone disagree that it is good to know who is in our airspace instead of discounting everything?

 

[PWMDMD]

What would it take for me buy into extraterrestrial origins? An official statement from the US government with independent verification. It’s a high bar but it’s my bar.

 

[leadcounsel]

A few general comments directed at the skeptics, who seem to have not sincerely researched this issue.

How do you skeptics explain the videos unclassified and released, regarding the various "fast movers" or "tic tacs?" Those are accompanied by numerous high ranking top fighter pilots who are best situated to know but have no idea what these are. And, before the usual uninformed "new human advanced technology" answers are provided, consider these same or similar objects have been documented, observed, and some photographed going back to the early 1900s. WWII fighter pilots around the world observed and called these "tic tacs" and "orbs" "FOO FIGHTERS." Now, don't you think if some humans on any side of WWII would have had such advanced technology, they'd have employed it to win the war? There are countless, easily thousands and probably millions of credible eye witnesses to these and other unexplainable craft (myself included). The reality is that this tech that we cannot explain in 2023, has been around and observed for at least 80 years. And if you look at ancient artwork, similar UFOs have been painted or drawn hundreds or thousands of years ago. What is the explanation?

I doubt any witness has made any money on such claims, I know I have not. Bob Lazar has stated recently he has never profited from his testimonies and such. No, we just endure ridicule and stupid jokes. Lazar has been right about many things including Element 151 and area S4 (which the general public was not aware of), and he has proven he worked there yet the .gov has denied it. Who is lying, who benefits?

Lazy or informed people demand evidence. There is ample evidence.

Evidence includes eye-witnesses. Of that, we have a mountain of highly credible people such as pilots, military, former military, law enforcement, etc. and others who tend to have good observation skills, a higher level of trustworthiness, security clearances, and professional careers open to ridicule. Many former military base commanders have testified UFOs visited their bases and shut off missile systems. Are they lying? These folks also tend to have nothing to gain from such statements. And when people subject themselves to ridicule and investigation yet have nothing to gain, that ADDS a level of credibility to their testimony.

Thousands of photos or videos that have no alternate explanations. That is evidence.

Audio recordings are evidence. A famous one was the base commander at Rendlesham Air Force base, with his Airmen, recording what they were seeing contemporaneously. Do you think this was a hoax, if you do you've never served in the military. They'd have been subjected to a Court Martial.

Radar signatures are evidence. There are dozens of cases where radar signatures have no human explanation dating back many decades.

The evidence is there but some people just refuse to acknowledge it.

Consider that Court Cases are universally decided on eye-witness testimony, audio, video, and photo evidence. Nobody would seriously argue that "no evidence" has been presented with the mountain of evidence that supports UAPs/UFOs.

To hold on to this skeptical notion, you'd have to believe 100% of the eye-witnesses are lying or misunderstood what they (I) observed, all the photos and videos are fabricated, etc. That's a amazing stretch of the mind. And what do all of these folks have to gain?

 

[alarmguy]

I did watch the entire testimony and yet have no idea what your hangup is with what I said (which was tongue-in-cheek, btw). The testifiers have nearly said as much, that the capabilities are far beyond any known human technology.

Well then you just answered your own question! Maybe some people did not see the "tongue-in-cheek"

 

[leadcounsel]

I do believe something is going on, but guys like Bob Lazaar are anything but legit. He's a conman that in the best case scenario worked briefly at Area 51, but installed alarms or did some IT and may have heard some rumors. He never had any real scientific background and most of his past history was deconstructed and debunked, he never had any record of attending MIT, and no the gov't couldn't just come in and erase his past as he claims. Guys like him are as much of an obstacle to getting to the "truth" as any real world "Smoking Man"..

Who has Lazar conned and to what gain?? That's a lot of work for no profit. Go research him in detail. He has presented significant evidence of legitimacy (including his insider knowledge of element 151, area S4, gravitational flight, etc.), and has proven he worked there but the government has erased him and denied his working there. No, he has not been debunked, sorry.

 

[PWMDMD]

Certainly do not disagree with you, why I keep saying, I honestly and truly do not think we are so advanced to understand anything because we dont and why I do not think for the tiny, tiny fraction of time we have been on this tiny little planet out of the whole universe as we know it and beyond that human beings know much of anything. We will be learning for hopefully 100s thousands more years.

I think you and have been down this road before with respect to what we as humans know. I contend we know quite a lot because we can explain most phenomena in our universe. There are still some mysteries left but we are in no way lost in the dark. Well, many humans are hopelessly lost in the dark but humanity is not as far as science.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Well then you just answered your own question! Maybe some people did not see the "tongue-in-cheek"

Even if it wasn’t, I still don’t get your issue with it. Or why you’d conclude I didn’t watch the testimony from it.

 

[KrisZ]

The chance of all of this UFO sightings being a misunderstanding, optical illusion/anomaly, human error, or even a secret advanced human built craft are an order of magnitude greater than another civilization finding us in the vastness of the universe. Add the capability for interstellar travel and the chances are almost 0.

 

[PWMDMD]

A few general comments directed at the skeptics, who seem to have not sincerely researched this issue.

How do you skeptics explain the videos unclassified and released, regarding the various "fast movers" or "tic tacs?" Those are accompanied by numerous high ranking top fighter pilots who are best situated to know but have no idea what these are. And, before the usual uninformed "new human advanced technology" answers are provided, consider these same or similar objects have been documented, observed, and some photographed going back to the early 1900s. WWII fighter pilots around the world observed and called these "tic tacs" and "orbs" "FOO FIGHTERS." Now, don't you think if some humans on any side of WWII would have had such advanced technology, they'd have employed it to win the war? There are countless, easily thousands and probably millions of credible eye witnesses to these and other unexplainable craft (myself included). The reality is that this tech that we cannot explain in 2023, has been around and observed for at least 80 years. And if you look at ancient artwork, similar UFOs have been painted or drawn hundreds or thousands of years ago. What is the explanation?

I doubt any witness has made any money on such claims, I know I have not. Bob Lazar has stated recently he has never profited from his testimonies and such. No, we just endure ridicule and stupid jokes. Lazar has been right about many things including Element 151 and area S4 (which the general public was not aware of), and he has proven he worked there yet the .gov has denied it. Who is lying, who benefits?

Lazy or informed people demand evidence. There is ample evidence.

Evidence includes eye-witnesses. Of that, we have a mountain of highly credible people such as pilots, military, former military, law enforcement, etc. and others who tend to have good observation skills, a higher level of trustworthiness, security clearances, and professional careers open to ridicule. Many former military base commanders have testified UFOs visited their bases and shut off missile systems. Are they lying? These folks also tend to have nothing to gain from such statements. And when people subject themselves to ridicule and investigation yet have nothing to gain, that ADDS a level of credibility to their testimony.

Thousands of photos or videos that have no alternate explanations. That is evidence.

Audio recordings are evidence. A famous one was the base commander at Rendlesham Air Force base, with his Airmen, recording what they were seeing contemporaneously. Do you think this was a hoax, if you do you've never served in the military. They'd have been subjected to a Court Martial.

Radar signatures are evidence. There are dozens of cases where radar signatures have no human explanation dating back many decades.

The evidence is there but some people just refuse to acknowledge it.

Consider that Court Cases are universally decided on eye-witness testimony, audio, video, and photo evidence. Nobody would seriously argue that "no evidence" has been presented with the mountain of evidence that supports UAPs/UFOs.

To hold on to this skeptical notion, you'd have to believe 100% of the eye-witnesses are lying or misunderstood what they (I) observed, all the photos and videos are fabricated, etc. That's an amazing stretch of the mind. And what do all of these folks have to gain?

I’m neither lazy nor uninformed. I have no idea if the eye witnesses are lying or not and I have no way of knowing either way. My bar is high and it will remain high. It’s also not lost on me that my bar means absolutely nothing to anyone other than me. It’s not like I’m denying anyone else their due truth - I have nothing to lose with a high bar and neither does anyone else.

 

[leadcounsel]

The chance of all of this UFO sightings being a misunderstanding, optical illusion/anomaly, human error, or even a secret advanced human built craft are an order of magnitude greater than another civilization finding us in the vastness of the universe. Add the capability for interstellar travel and the chances are almost 0.

I disagree.

My sighting was around 1987. The best technology our government had was a brand new LOUD, VISIBILE, "stealth fighter" which relied on thrust and lift to keep it in flight. This was tested under total complete secrecy to avoid public disclosures. it was not released publicaly in 1988. The cost at that time was staggering, per unit. Keep in mind only 64 were made, and none were likely flying way over across some midwestern town in 1987.

About a year before in 1987 the world would see "stealth fighters" I was a teenager living in a rural midwest community. There was no air base within hundreds of miles.

Late one night, 3 friends and I were out and observed for probably 15 minutes or so, a large silent triangle with 3 white lights, eject a red orb to the ground. It then moved silently at a crawl across the sky. It went directly overhead and was translucent. It had no observable mode of transportation, no rotors, no jets, nothing. Silent, nearly invisible, hovering ability, slow flying ability. These are traits no known human aircraft possess today. Certainly not in the 1980s. I know what I saw. I have since held Top Secret military clearance, been combat deployed, been around most modern aircraft, flown hundreds of times, visited many flight museums. There is nothing nor even the principles of flight, physics, etc. that explain what I observed around 1987.

Why did it have white lights? I don't know. I have some ideas but ultimately I have no explanation for the lights, the origin, the purpose. But I would bet the farm it was not of human origin, considering it was, even now, 10+ generations beyond human abilities for flight, lift, silence, cloaking, etc. In 1987, we were still largely an analogue society, consider that.

And these and similar craft have been observed, photographed, video recorded, etc. going back to at least WW2.

At this point it's up to the skeptics to offer explanations better than "swamp gas" and "ball lightning."

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Believers: “We told you so! Everything we ever thought must be right!”

Skeptics: “Nothing ever happens!”

Everyone else: “Dang that’s wild. Guess we’ll see.” *gets attacked from both sides*

 

[KrisZ]

I disagree.

My sighting was around 1987. The best technology our government had was a brand new LOUD, VISIBILE, "stealth fighter" which relied on thrust and lift to keep it in flight. This was tested under total complete secrecy to avoid public disclosures. it was not released publicaly in 1988. The cost at that time was staggering, per unit. Keep in mind only 64 were made, and none were likely flying way over across some midwestern town in 1987.

About a year before in 1987 the world would see "stealth fighters" I was a teenager living in a rural midwest community. There was no air base within hundreds of miles.

Late one night, 3 friends and I were out and observed for probably 15 minutes or so, a large silent triangle with 3 white lights, eject a red orb to the ground. It then moved silently at a crawl across the sky. It went directly overhead and was translucent. It had no observable mode of transportation, no rotors, no jets, nothing. Silent, nearly invisible, hovering ability, slow flying ability. These are traits no known human aircraft possess today. Certainly not in the 1980s. I know what I saw. I have since held Top Secret military clearance, been combat deployed, been around most modern aircraft, flown hundreds of times, visited many flight museums. There is nothing nor even the principles of flight, physics, etc. that explain what I observed around 1987.

Why did it have white lights? I don't know. I have some ideas but ultimately I have no explanation for the lights, the origin, the purpose. But I would bet the farm it was not of human origin, considering it was, even now, 10+ generations beyond human abilities for flight, lift, silence, cloaking, etc. In 1987, we were still largely an analogue society, consider that.

And these and similar craft have been observed, photographed, video recorded, etc. going back to at least WW2.

At this point it's up to the skeptics to offer explanations better than "swamp gas" and "ball lightning."

I’m not denying what you saw, but just because it makes no sense, doesn’t mean it was from outer space.

 

[leadcounsel]

I’m not denying what you saw, but just because it makes no sense, doesn’t mean it was from outer space.

Then give me the other possible or likely explanations. There are finite explanations.

1. Hallucinations. We can rule this out generally speaking, since we have videos and photos (not of my incident but globally: Phoenix lights, "fast mover," etc.).

2. It's our technology. Simply untrue. We don't have it. That's from those in the know who are experts. Keep in mind these sightings go back a human lifetime or more. The only explanation here might be we experiment with recovered craft.

3. It's enemy technology. See #2.

4. It is other-worldly (alien, interdimensional, etc.)

 

[hemioiler]

How many of you saying this is proof of aliens, also believe the stories of individuals near death claiming to see angels or seeing themselves laying on an operating table from a third person perspective while the doctor proclaims them dead at 3:35 PM and then waking up and telling the doctor "I was pronounced dead at 3:35 PM and saw you do X Y and Z" ... or whatever the stories may be? There are tons of these stories, sometimes from people who are "loved ones" or otherwise known to be credible in every other area of life.

I have no idea what to think on the UFOs, but I do know the probability of alien life A) existing and B) finding our tiny little planet in a tiny little galaxy that takes thousands and millions of light years to reach - all that is very unlikely.

The rules of our universe (including the energy, time and distance it takes to travel) apply to aliens as well. That is inescapable. So either we don't have aliens on our planet, or whatever we know about space and our universe is horribly wrong one way or the other.

 

[thastinger]

So far, Element 115 or moscovium doesn't have a practical use outside of scientific study.

It decays in 20/1000 of a second.

He Lazar said that he'd personally worked with element 115, which was used to pilot alien spacecraft.

It is "impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth. ... The substance has to come from a place where superheavy elements could have been produced naturally," Lazar said.

It has been synthesized here on earth.

Lazar said that he'd seen evidence of anti-gravity propulsion technologies, and nine alien spacecraft stored in a hangar at Area 51. Those spaceships ostensibly used some sort of propulsion system that harnessed the inherent power of gravity, and thus utilized the characteristics of element 115 to work their technological wizardry.

What connection does fast decaying elements have to do with propulsion? systems?

Gold has 37 different isotopes, only one of them is stable. E115 doesn't naturally occur here, the 100 atoms of it are all man made, nothing to say there isn't a stable isotope we haven't yet found.

 

[KrisZ]

Then give me the other possible or likely explanations. There are finite explanations.

1. Hallucinations. We can rule this out generally speaking, since we have videos and photos (not of my incident but globally: Phoenix lights, "fast mover," etc.).

2. It's our technology. Simply untrue. We don't have it. That's from those in the know who are experts. Keep in mind these sightings go back a human lifetime or more. The only explanation here might be we experiment with recovered craft.

3. It's enemy technology. See #2.

4. It is other-worldly (alien, interdimensional, etc.)

5. A simple optical illusion. At night, objects, especially emitting lights are extremely hard to judge the size on and the distance.

What if what you saw was a zeppelin type craft? These things are nearly silent and slow moving. Maybe it had some sort of antenna suspended from it's belly with lights, conducting some sort of survey or a test? That's just one from the top of my head.

 

[thastinger]

I disagree.

My sighting was around 1987. The best technology our government had was a brand new LOUD, VISIBILE, "stealth fighter" which relied on thrust and lift to keep it in flight. This was tested under total complete secrecy to avoid public disclosures. it was not released publicaly in 1988. The cost at that time was staggering, per unit. Keep in mind only 64 were made, and none were likely flying way over across some midwestern town in 1987.

About a year before in 1987 the world would see "stealth fighters" I was a teenager living in a rural midwest community. There was no air base within hundreds of miles.

Late one night, 3 friends and I were out and observed for probably 15 minutes or so, a large silent triangle with 3 white lights, eject a red orb to the ground. It then moved silently at a crawl across the sky. It went directly overhead and was translucent. It had no observable mode of transportation, no rotors, no jets, nothing. Silent, nearly invisible, hovering ability, slow flying ability. These are traits no known human aircraft possess today. Certainly not in the 1980s. I know what I saw. I have since held Top Secret military clearance, been combat deployed, been around most modern aircraft, flown hundreds of times, visited many flight museums. There is nothing nor even the principles of flight, physics, etc. that explain what I observed around 1987.

Why did it have white lights? I don't know. I have some ideas but ultimately I have no explanation for the lights, the origin, the purpose. But I would bet the farm it was not of human origin, considering it was, even now, 10+ generations beyond human abilities for flight, lift, silence, cloaking, etc. In 1987, we were still largely an analogue society, consider that.

And these and similar craft have been observed, photographed, video recorded, etc. going back to at least WW2.

At this point it's up to the skeptics to offer explanations better than "swamp gas" and "ball lightning."

Cool story. If I were living on Mars and saw how the rovers Spirit and Opportunity were delivered to the surface, that would be a cool story that most wouldn't believe when I told it.