Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

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hemioiler said:
How many of you saying this is proof of aliens, also believe the stories of individuals near death claiming to see angels or seeing themselves laying on an operating table from a third person perspective while the doctor proclaims them dead at 3:35 PM and then waking up and telling the doctor "I was pronounced dead at 3:35 PM and saw you do X Y and Z" ... or whatever the stories may be? There are tons of these stories, sometimes from people who are "loved ones" or otherwise known to be credible in every other area of life.

I have no idea what to think on the UFOs, but I do know the probability of alien life A) existing and B) finding our tiny little planet in a tiny little galaxy that takes thousands and millions of light years to reach - all that is very unlikely.

The rules of our universe (including the energy, time and distance it takes to travel) apply to aliens as well. That is inescapable. So either we don't have aliens on our planet, or whatever we know about space and our universe is horribly wrong one way or the other.
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Yup…near death = not dead, very much still alive, and experiencing hypoxemia which causes activation of the memory/visual centers of the brain, moments of the person’s life and people who were in their lives flash before their eyes, and because they know they’re near death/dying it’s all seen through that lens. Then the hypoxia is corrected, the person comes to, and they start talking about seeing their life flash before their eyes, seeing their dead parents, etc. A lot of people have had this experience but none of them are true. All can be explained by non-supernatural and science-based means but you will never convince that person or anyone else who wants to believe it that it wasn’t real. People will site how many people have experienced this as “proof” when it’s only proof that hypoxia is common near death and the cascade of neuronal activation is predictable.

This just one example of how the human brain can’t always be trusted.
 
leadcounsel said:
Who has Lazar conned and to what gain?? That's a lot of work for no profit. Go research him in detail. He has presented significant evidence of legitimacy (including his insider knowledge of element 151, area S4, gravitational flight, etc.), and has proven he worked there but the government has erased him and denied his working there. No, he has not been debunked, sorry.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar#Claims

Education​

Lazar claims to have obtained master's degrees in physics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and in electronics from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech). However, both universities show no record of him.[3][8] Scientists Stanton T. Friedman and Donald R. Prothero have stated that nobody with Lazar's high school performance record would be accepted by either institution.[3][4] Lazar is unable to supply the names of any lecturers or fellow students from his alleged tenures at MIT and Caltech; one supposed Caltech professor, William Duxler, was in fact located at Pierce Junior College and had never taught at Caltech.[3][9] Friedman asserted, "Quite obviously, if one can go to MIT, one doesn't go to Pierce. Lazar was at Pierce at the very same time he was supposedly at MIT more than 2,500 miles away."[3]
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Employment​

Lazar claims to be a physicist, and to have worked in this capacity during his tenure at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.[3][10] This assertion was echoed by a local journalist who interviewed Lazar about his interest in jet-powered cars in 1982;[a] some media outlets have since dubbed him a "physicist".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar#cite_note-19 Inquiry into Lazar's position at the facility, however, revealed his role to have been a technician for a contractor firm, and that he worked neither as a physicist or for Los Alamos.[3][4][5] As such, the laboratory has no records on Lazar, whom Prothero states was "in short, rather a minor player."[4] The Smithsonian, and various mainstream news outlets, have stated that his "physicist" designation is self-proclaimed.[c]
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Criminal convictions​

In 1990, Lazar was arrested for aiding and abetting a prostitution ring. This was reduced to felony pandering, to which he pleaded guilty.[57][58][59] He was ordered to do 150 hours of community service, stay away from brothels, and undergo psychotherapy.[58][59]

In 2006, Lazar and his wife Joy White were charged with violating the Federal Hazardous Substances Act for shipping restricted chemicals across state lines. The charges stemmed from a 2003 raid on United Nuclear's business offices, where chemical sales records were examined.[7] United Nuclear pleaded guilty to three criminal counts of introducing into interstate commerce, and aiding and abetting the introduction into interstate commerce, banned hazardous substances. In 2007, United Nuclear was fined $7,500 for violating a law prohibiting the sale of chemicals and components used to make illegal fireworks.[60][61]

Journalist Stephen Rodrick and author Neil Nixon write that further doubts have been cast on Lazar's credibility due to his criminal activity.[55][62] Author Timothy Good and filmmaker Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell, who have perpetuated Lazar's story, concur with this assertion.[63][64]
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Obviously he's a scientist! :)
 
And this thread is tainted now with the ridicule folks who come forward with their experiences suffer.

All witnesses are lying or ignorant to their own eyeball observations, even the most sophisticated and credible of witnesses like Navy fighter pilots. All videos, photos, etc. are illusions. But the government which has been caught in endless lies and coverups, claiming nonsense explanations in the case of UFOs, is credible. LOL. Some world that skeptics exist in.

Those who cannot debate the facts, go on to attack the credibility or character of witnesses. It's a timeless story. Lazar has thoroughly explained how his identity was attacked by the government agencies, he was harassed, threatened, erased, etc. Yet he had very intimate insider knowledge of Area S4, other exceptionally detailed information like the hand screening device, element 115, etc. (and this W2 form from Naval Intelligence: ) that a commoner would not have known or had access to, way back in the 1980s. He has provided sufficient proof of his employment there to include a internal phonebook listing him and other details I've forgotten. He's a very compelling individual in spite of Wikipedia entries and character attacks against him.
 
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leadcounsel said:
And this thread is tainted now with the ridicule folks who come forward with their experiences suffer.

All witnesses are lying or ignorant to their own eyeball observations, even the most sophisticated and credible of witnesses like Navy fighter pilots. All videos, photos, etc. are illusions. But the government which has been caught in endless lies and coverups, claiming nonsense explanations in the case of UFOs, is credible. LOL. Some world that skeptics exist in.
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I don’t remember reading anyone stating anything you claim above. All I see are members discussing how many people can believe they share a common experience that they believe is clearly caused by one thing when in reality it’s caused by another.

Don’t take it personally. Any skeptic has to ask these questions to ever come to the conclusion that these miraculous claims are real.

Are you suggesting you or any of the testimony givers should be free from criticism? They gave testimony so it could be criticized and if it survives criticism then it may be accepted. I get HIGHLY suspicious when ANYONE suggests I have no right to criticize their ideas - usually because they know those ideas won’t standup to criticism.
 
PWMDMD said:
I don’t remember reading anyone stating anything you claim above. All I see are members discussing how many people can believe they share a common experience that they believe is clearly caused by one thing when in reality it’s caused by another.

Don’t take it personally. Any skeptic has to ask these questions to ever come to the conclusion that these miraculous claims are real.

Are you suggesting you or any of the testimony givers should be free from criticism? They gave testimony so it could be criticized and if it survives criticism then it may be accepted. I get HIGHLY suspicious when ANYONE suggests I have no right to criticize their ideas - usually because they know those ideas won’t standup to criticism.
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I have no problem with respectable questions of me, or other witnesses, all you want. But claiming I am confused or it was an illusion is disrespectful. I was not on any drugs or alcohol, I was with 3 other sober individuals (2 high school valedictorians both excellent in sciences), and we all observed the same thing/event. It was a clear cloudless night and we had the ability to observe this object for over 15 minutes hovering and in motion. It was no known human aircraft then or now.

I will defend Lazar because I have looked into him fairly deeply and believe he is who he claims and observed what he claims. He has the receipts to prove much of his allegations and to counter many government denials. For instance, his pay stubs and other evidence were entered into the record in a court proceeding - the very information the government denies existing.
 
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When multiple eyes are corroborated by multiple sensors (our best ones at that) multiple times over multiple events doing almost unbelievable things then you have something that stands out as extraordinary, at some point all this adds up to proof - but proof of what?

Somethings out there and we have no idea who it is or how it does what it appears to do.

The part thats unknown is who, or what it is, where these devices are from, who is controlling them, and what are their intentions.
 
I watched the whole Congressional Committee Meeting. It was riveting but.... nothing I hadn't heard or believed.

The BIG THING here is that it was a Congressional Committee Meeting. Prior... nobody in DC would touch anything UFO.

Personally, I don't believe they are aliens. I believe they have been here for thousands of years, mostly in another dimension. Its a mix of spiritual and physical.


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I simply can't dismiss the hundreds upon hundreds of high-level witness testimony from credible sane individuals over decades that have seen things that defy physics as we know it. Opinions will vary. I want more disclosure and hopefully we will get that. We're the closest we've been on this topic ever.
 
leadcounsel said:
I have no problem with respectable questions of me, or other witnesses, all you want. But claiming I am confused or it was an illusion is disrespectful. I was not on any drugs or alcohol, I was with 3 other sober individuals (2 high school valedictorians both excellent in sciences), and we all observed the same thing/event. It was a clear cloudless night and we had the ability to observe this object for over 15 minutes hovering and in motion. It was no known human aircraft then or now.

I will defend Lazar because I have looked into him fairly deeply and believe he is who he claims and observed what he claims. He has the receipts to prove much of his allegations and to counter many government denials. For instance, his pay stubs and other evidence were entered into the record in a court proceeding - the very information the government denies existing.
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You’re taking this way too personally.
 
buster said:
I simply can't dismiss the hundreds upon hundreds of high-level witness testimony from credible sane individuals over decades that have seen things that defy physics as we know it. Opinions will vary. I want more disclosure and hopefully we will get that. We're the closest we've been on this topic ever.
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I agree, inasmuch as this topic is long overdue for being taken seriously and I hope/pray we get real disclosure with tangible undeniable verifiable proof inasmuch as a "big reveal." This has been slow walked, denied, etc. for decades, since at least the obvious lies at Roswell. I think the slow walk is part of the strategy and also either hoping it goes away or trying to best figure out the confession that we've been lied to for 8 decades.
 
leadcounsel said:
That's rich! Other people directly attack my credibility as a witness, and attack Bob Lazar with cheap shots. But I'm the bully. I've seen this type of reversal before. Ultimate in victimhood nonsense.
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No one has 'attacked your credibility', and bob 'lazer' deserves disrespect. Stop with the grade school psychology while you are at it.
 
PWMDMD said:
You’re taking this way too personally.
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How should I "take" being told I don't know what I saw and I confused a hovering, nearly invisible, massive triangle with a zeppelin weather balloon? BTW nobody in my area at that time would have had big balloons like that nor flying them at midnight.

This is the frustration eye-witnesses like myself experience. The peanut gallery telling us we saw something other than what we saw. In simple parlance, telling us we're delusional, crazy, or liars. How do you react when BASELESSLY accused of such things?

The issue with the skeptics is they refuse to believe unless THEY PERSONALLY see it. Until then, everyone else has an agenda, all photos/videos are false, etc.
 
bobdoo said:
No one has 'attacked your credibility', and bob 'lazer' deserves disrespect. Stop with the grade school psychology while you are at it.
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False. And you've gone personal on me now twice here in a few posts. "Cheap courtroom bully tactics," "Grade school psychologoy."
 
bobdoo said:
A genuinely rational discussion of Grush:

And the sleazy lengths the govt went to RE: ufos:

Those of you who actually want information, and not more indoctrination will find it here.
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Not a fan of Mick West.
 
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